scullyg40
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Trackday 172 and 130i daily
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scullyg40
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Making progress. 
scullyg40
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Last monday, it was time to start with the Scrapmetalrally.
We didn't know this when we entered this, but the start was just 2,3 km's from my home.
The first day was from Zwartemeer Netherlands to Fulda Germany. We drove on the highway, to cover some distance, but also on very narrow roads like this.
We camped up south of Fulda, and met some nice people from Rotterdam, who we kept meeting up with during the rally.
Finally it was time for a good beer, and a decent meal.
The next day, we went to Karlsbad Czech Republic.
At the end of the day, we got to a campsite which was occupied, so we had to go somewhere else. We arrived at something which must haven been a Stassi trainingscamp in the past or something like that.
We put our tents up in between the very old barracks.
In the Czech Republic, you see this sign very often.
The next day, we drove to Salzburg Austria.
And the final day, it was time to go through some real mountains, entering Italy, and finishing in Hippach Austria.
At the final checkpoint, we received our medal, and had a some beers and a good time at the campsite.
We had a really good time, and the only problem we had with our car was a broken headlight bulb.
We didn't know this when we entered this, but the start was just 2,3 km's from my home.
The first day was from Zwartemeer Netherlands to Fulda Germany. We drove on the highway, to cover some distance, but also on very narrow roads like this.
We camped up south of Fulda, and met some nice people from Rotterdam, who we kept meeting up with during the rally.
Finally it was time for a good beer, and a decent meal.
The next day, we went to Karlsbad Czech Republic.
At the end of the day, we got to a campsite which was occupied, so we had to go somewhere else. We arrived at something which must haven been a Stassi trainingscamp in the past or something like that.
We put our tents up in between the very old barracks.
In the Czech Republic, you see this sign very often.
The next day, we drove to Salzburg Austria.
And the final day, it was time to go through some real mountains, entering Italy, and finishing in Hippach Austria.
At the final checkpoint, we received our medal, and had a some beers and a good time at the campsite.
We had a really good time, and the only problem we had with our car was a broken headlight bulb.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
It's alive at the first attempt.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
@scotiamr2t It's been a while, but I've got the first one done. I've gutted the inside, fitted polycarbonate window and fitted the carbon mirrors.
Starting weight of the door was 25 kg's. The bare door, gutted, weighs 9,8 kg's. So by going to fibreglass doors, there's still about 5 kg's to save, but at the cost, it's not worth it for me. Standard glass weighs 3,5 kg's, polycarbonate 3 mm one, weighs 1,5 kg's.
Total weight of the new door is 12,6 kg's. Saving 12,4 kg's, and that's just one door.
Total weight savings 163,7 kg's.
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scullyg40
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Got the rear quarters in. Starting to look like a car again. Well, at least from this angle.
They are 4,3 kg's lighter than the original, bringing total weight savings to 168 kg's.
They are 4,3 kg's lighter than the original, bringing total weight savings to 168 kg's.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
Well, the cage build is done. I spend a lot of hours to get this done, but I am quite pleased with the result, to say the least.
Now that I'm done, it's time to make up the numbers. Offcourse I weighed everything, and although I added nearly 75 kg's of steel, the car has only gained 12 kg's in weight. Very happy with that. And I have still to fit the polycarbonate rear screen, which will save me 5 kg's hopefully? And the lightweight battery, which will also save me another 10 kg's most likely.
Apart from that, I also asked the logistic department at work if I was allowed to use their weighing bridge to finally get a number of the entire car.
The car weighs:
980 kg's with me and 20 litres of fuel
860 kg's without me, but with 20 litres of fuel. Fuel weighs 0,72 kg/dm3, resulting in 846 kg's for the car alone.
I also took the opportunity to see the weight over the front and the rear axle.
Front axle weight is: 640 kg's
Rear axle weight is: 340 kg's
This gives a front/rear weight distribution of 65/35.
Now that I'm done, it's time to make up the numbers. Offcourse I weighed everything, and although I added nearly 75 kg's of steel, the car has only gained 12 kg's in weight. Very happy with that. And I have still to fit the polycarbonate rear screen, which will save me 5 kg's hopefully? And the lightweight battery, which will also save me another 10 kg's most likely.
Apart from that, I also asked the logistic department at work if I was allowed to use their weighing bridge to finally get a number of the entire car.
The car weighs:
980 kg's with me and 20 litres of fuel
860 kg's without me, but with 20 litres of fuel. Fuel weighs 0,72 kg/dm3, resulting in 846 kg's for the car alone.
I also took the opportunity to see the weight over the front and the rear axle.
Front axle weight is: 640 kg's
Rear axle weight is: 340 kg's
This gives a front/rear weight distribution of 65/35.
donnylad
ClioSport Club Member
if you havnt sorted a battery yet I purchased this: https://powerlite-units.com/power/ps-09-p562.html
It actually weighs 1.1kg, has a bracket to mount it, and comes with a smart trickle charger. I havnt had to use the charger yet though!
It actually weighs 1.1kg, has a bracket to mount it, and comes with a smart trickle charger. I havnt had to use the charger yet though!
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
Thanks, but I've got the same one. Just didn't have the time to mount it yet.
donnylad
ClioSport Club Member
you're right! looking back it was your thread I got the recommendation from haha!Thanks, but I've got the same one. Just didn't have the time to mount it yet.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
So it was finally time to get this thing and myself back on track. I set the deadline at Jully the 19th, and I made it.
So there we were, back at Zandvoort.
Can't say I wasn't a bit nervous, as I didn't drive on track for half a year, and also because I didn't know how the car would perform. Would the gear linkage be okay. Would the windows stay in place at high speed etc. But everything turned out okay.
On the way over to buy the tickets, I spotted this thing. Don't even know what it is, but it has got to be the most brutal car I have ever seen in the flesh. A 6.3 V12 with 541 kW. Catalogue price 371000 Euro.
I lined up for the first session.
Look at the car behind me, a 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, new price over 250000 Euro, that's more than my house. I'd like to add, that this car did overtake me, but only on the straight. In the corners, I was able to keep up for quite some time. Also, there was a red flag in I believe the first session, and it was because of this car, he got of track, and littered the track with gravel. I can't see this car getting through that completely damage free.
In the first session, I needed to get familiar with the car again, so I took it kinda slow and easy. In session 2 and 3, I had @sjaakmeister as my passenger, and I started to build up speed whenever possible, as it was very busy, especially after the start after a red flag, which we got twice.
In the fourth session, I managed to do 1 or 2 nearly free laps, and I was able to improve my personal best from 2.14 to 2.12, which I'm quite happy with.
So there we were, back at Zandvoort.
Can't say I wasn't a bit nervous, as I didn't drive on track for half a year, and also because I didn't know how the car would perform. Would the gear linkage be okay. Would the windows stay in place at high speed etc. But everything turned out okay.
On the way over to buy the tickets, I spotted this thing. Don't even know what it is, but it has got to be the most brutal car I have ever seen in the flesh. A 6.3 V12 with 541 kW.
Catalogue price 371000 Euro. I lined up for the first session.
Look at the car behind me, a 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, new price over 250000 Euro, that's more than my house.
I'd like to add, that this car did overtake me, but only on the straight. In the corners, I was able to keep up for quite some time. Also, there was a red flag in I believe the first session, and it was because of this car, he got of track, and littered the track with gravel. I can't see this car getting through that completely damage free.In the first session, I needed to get familiar with the car again, so I took it kinda slow and easy. In session 2 and 3, I had @sjaakmeister as my passenger, and I started to build up speed whenever possible, as it was very busy, especially after the start after a red flag, which we got twice.
In the fourth session, I managed to do 1 or 2 nearly free laps, and I was able to improve my personal best from 2.14 to 2.12, which I'm quite happy with.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
Maintenance time.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
Been to Assen again today. Had a great day. My wife came along for the day, and I met up with a friend, and a colleague also came by.
I did 5 sessions, the first one was mixed with getting a bit used to the car again, a bit of rain, and a bit code 60. In the 2nd, 3th and 4th session I was able to pick up pace, did a couple of 2.12 laps, and a pr of 2.11, which I was happy with, as my previous personal best was 2.13 The last session, my brakes started to get less, so I had to brake a bit early, and as a result I completed the laps a bit easier and slower, but still good fun.
I do have a couple of videos, but the camera angle wasn't the best, anyway, heres one.
I did 5 sessions, the first one was mixed with getting a bit used to the car again, a bit of rain, and a bit code 60. In the 2nd, 3th and 4th session I was able to pick up pace, did a couple of 2.12 laps, and a pr of 2.11, which I was happy with, as my previous personal best was 2.13 The last session, my brakes started to get less, so I had to brake a bit early, and as a result I completed the laps a bit easier and slower, but still good fun.
I do have a couple of videos, but the camera angle wasn't the best, anyway, heres one.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
Small update.
I couldn't really tighten my left mirror because the mirror shaft would pop out. As a result the mirror was hanging when I hit a curb.
Because I think these mirrors are original Clio cup ones, parts for these will be pretty hard to find. So I had to make my own.
I couldn't really tighten my left mirror because the mirror shaft would pop out. As a result the mirror was hanging when I hit a curb.
Because I think these mirrors are original Clio cup ones, parts for these will be pretty hard to find. So I had to make my own.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
Today I finally installed my Clubsport brakes on the GTI. Quite the difference I can tell you, not only in appearance, but also in stopping power. Pretty happy with these.
Before:
After:
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scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
When I wanted to refresh my brake fluid, I noticed my tyre have excessive wear on the outsides, and they are colored blue.
What does this mean? And how do I solve it?
Do I need to change my tracking? Currently it's like this.
The top one is camber, then caster, then toe.
Hot tyre pressure after each session is checked, and is regulated at 30 psi.
I've noticed that a lot of heat is created with the tyres/brakes after each session. I also feel, that I lack grip coming out of the slower corners. I've always put this down to the low weight of the car, but hopefully someone here can shed a light on the tracking if that might be the case.
I'm thinking I need more camber, but that will also effect my braking. Will more caster be advisable to give more camber just in the corners?
Another issue I discovered is this.
My left brake pad has crumbled. They are Carbon Lorraine RC5+ and I did my first trackday with them in march 2018. Since then I did about 8 to 10 trackdays I think, with an average of 4 to 5, 20 to 30 minute sessions. Is this normal that they gave up after this amount of track time?
Might it also be heat related that they have crumbled? Should I upgrade to RC6 or higher, or a different brand of brake pads?
What does this mean? And how do I solve it?
Do I need to change my tracking? Currently it's like this.
The top one is camber, then caster, then toe.
Hot tyre pressure after each session is checked, and is regulated at 30 psi.
I've noticed that a lot of heat is created with the tyres/brakes after each session. I also feel, that I lack grip coming out of the slower corners. I've always put this down to the low weight of the car, but hopefully someone here can shed a light on the tracking if that might be the case.
I'm thinking I need more camber, but that will also effect my braking. Will more caster be advisable to give more camber just in the corners?
Another issue I discovered is this.
My left brake pad has crumbled. They are Carbon Lorraine RC5+ and I did my first trackday with them in march 2018. Since then I did about 8 to 10 trackdays I think, with an average of 4 to 5, 20 to 30 minute sessions. Is this normal that they gave up after this amount of track time?
Might it also be heat related that they have crumbled? Should I upgrade to RC6 or higher, or a different brand of brake pads?
robzracing
ClioSport Club Member
See my reply to your other post about this but I'd say they've lasted well. I've just changed my RC6s after 3 races and a test day. 2 of the races were wet hence they have crumbled like yours. (worse than yours actually although they were still attached to the backing plate)
George@RTR_Parts
ClioSport Trader
need BRAKES? PM me
If wanting to try the DS1.11 brake pads get in touch, I've them in stock. Just seen you're in The Netherlands, not a problem i send parts all over the world. I use FedEx as they're the quickest and most reliable international courier I've found. Send me a PM with which parts you're after (as can supply brakes and parts for most cars) and your address and I'll get a quote together and give you an accurate ETA for delivery @scullyg40
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
I've received my new brake pads, very much interested in the performance of these. Next trackday is Zandvoort this Friday, hoping for decent weather.
Next trackday is Zandvoort this Friday, hoping for decent weather.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
The weather forecast for Zandvoort the day before the trackday was so bad, that I decided to skip it.
So instead, I made a start with this.
At the moment I am waiting for some aluminium to arrive to make the brackets.
So I continued with my lightweight battery.
Made a battery tray for it.
I relocated the ECU, to get better access to the brake fluid reservoir, and I placed the lightweight battery in the same position as the original one. This way, there is no need to modify the wires, and moving the battery to the back is pointless with the battery and battery tray weighing just 1,2 kg's.
Pretty happy with this, as it gives me more room in the engine bay, and saves me a ton of weight. Weight saving with this mod is a staggering 13 kg's, bringing the car weight down to 833 kg's. Unfortunately the splitter will add another 5 or 6 kg's.
So instead, I made a start with this.
At the moment I am waiting for some aluminium to arrive to make the brackets.
So I continued with my lightweight battery.
Made a battery tray for it.
I relocated the ECU, to get better access to the brake fluid reservoir, and I placed the lightweight battery in the same position as the original one. This way, there is no need to modify the wires, and moving the battery to the back is pointless with the battery and battery tray weighing just 1,2 kg's.
Pretty happy with this, as it gives me more room in the engine bay, and saves me a ton of weight. Weight saving with this mod is a staggering 13 kg's, bringing the car weight down to 833 kg's. Unfortunately the splitter will add another 5 or 6 kg's.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
I did a top speed run on the German Autobahn with the Golf. Pretty sure theres a bit more in it, as I had to let go of the gas because I was closing in on some other traffic. But I'm happy with the pace of the Golf, also because it handles the speed so well. For the UK people on here, 273 km/h is about 170 miles an hour.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
I also got the splitter finished. Very excited about this, can't wait to see what this does on track.
It's mounted in 5 points, 3 in the front, and 2 between the wheels. It still flexes a bit on the front, I'll see how it goes, and if necessary I will add splitter rods or something to hold the front in place more.
It sits 5,5 cm's from the ground, and extends 10 cm's from the air dam, and it goes through underneath the engine, almost to the steering rack. If this isn't functional as a splitter, than I'm lost. If I can't feel a noticable difference, I will remove it and tell everybody aero mods suck.
It weighs 6,2 kg's, which is quite a bit less than my lightweight battery mod, so I didn't add any weight with this basically. Car weight now at 839 kg's. I'm also working on the rear window at the moment which should save 4 or 5 kg's. After that, I think I'm pretty much done with the weight saving programm, and I will probably focus more on the handling, which is when it will get expensive I suppose.
It's mounted in 5 points, 3 in the front, and 2 between the wheels. It still flexes a bit on the front, I'll see how it goes, and if necessary I will add splitter rods or something to hold the front in place more.
It sits 5,5 cm's from the ground, and extends 10 cm's from the air dam, and it goes through underneath the engine, almost to the steering rack. If this isn't functional as a splitter, than I'm lost. If I can't feel a noticable difference, I will remove it and tell everybody aero mods suck.
It weighs 6,2 kg's, which is quite a bit less than my lightweight battery mod, so I didn't add any weight with this basically. Car weight now at 839 kg's. I'm also working on the rear window at the moment which should save 4 or 5 kg's. After that, I think I'm pretty much done with the weight saving programm, and I will probably focus more on the handling, which is when it will get expensive I suppose.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
Wasn't really comfortable with the splitter flexing a bit, so I made reinforcements.
It's really firm now.
It's really firm now.
scullyg40
ClioSport Club Member
Yesterday it was time for another trackday, finally. I was really excited, the weather forecast was very good all week, untill the day before.
First I need to update on my bootlid, I've made the polycarbonate rear window.
It didn't work out as nice as I wanted it to, because of the curves in the bootlid, I couldn't get the polycarbonate to sit completely flat at the sides. But it did save me a lot of weight. 3.8 kg's to be exact, bringing car weight back down to 835 kg's. As said before, this is probably as light as the car will be, as I don't see any real weight savings anymore, but time will tell.
To get the car to a trackday in the first place, I need to get in on and off the trailer. This wasn't possible anymore as to how I did it before, because of the splitter. So I did some calculations involving sinus and cosinus etc to see how the ramps needed to be. And this is the result, and I'm happy to say it works, with 1 or 2 cm's to spare.
Then onto the trackday. First session was a wet one, and I needed to bed my new brake pads in so easy on the brakes. Ferodo instructions say you need to brake 25 to 30 times with about 50% braking power and for 4 second periods.
But with the wet session, it was easy to combine this, and just drive the session a bit more relaxed. Nevertheless, I managed to pass 39 cars in total within half an hour. Looked like the other cars had a lot more issues with the slippery track than me, as can be seen below.
Second session it was dryer on the racing line, but still moist next to it. Pace went up quite a bit, and I really enjoyed myself. What's remarkable about this session, is that at the end of the first lap, I got passed by a big SUV. What the f**k? We looked up the specs on the way home, and it was a Alfa Romeo Stelvio with a 2.9 v6 bi-turbo, with 510 hp. I was able to close up in the corners, but not that much that I was able to keep up. Good fun.
Third session was mostly a code 60 so not much to say there, except that I blew a hose of, which looked to be a coolant hose, but it was at the back of the engine, and I couldn't really see what it was. Because of this I called it a day and went home. I now know it's the engine breather, and it's just a very minor issue.
First I need to update on my bootlid, I've made the polycarbonate rear window.
It didn't work out as nice as I wanted it to, because of the curves in the bootlid, I couldn't get the polycarbonate to sit completely flat at the sides. But it did save me a lot of weight. 3.8 kg's to be exact, bringing car weight back down to 835 kg's. As said before, this is probably as light as the car will be, as I don't see any real weight savings anymore, but time will tell.
To get the car to a trackday in the first place, I need to get in on and off the trailer. This wasn't possible anymore as to how I did it before, because of the splitter. So I did some calculations involving sinus and cosinus etc to see how the ramps needed to be. And this is the result, and I'm happy to say it works, with 1 or 2 cm's to spare.
Then onto the trackday. First session was a wet one, and I needed to bed my new brake pads in so easy on the brakes. Ferodo instructions say you need to brake 25 to 30 times with about 50% braking power and for 4 second periods.
But with the wet session, it was easy to combine this, and just drive the session a bit more relaxed. Nevertheless, I managed to pass 39 cars in total within half an hour. Looked like the other cars had a lot more issues with the slippery track than me, as can be seen below.
Second session it was dryer on the racing line, but still moist next to it. Pace went up quite a bit, and I really enjoyed myself. What's remarkable about this session, is that at the end of the first lap, I got passed by a big SUV.
What the f**k? We looked up the specs on the way home, and it was a Alfa Romeo Stelvio with a 2.9 v6 bi-turbo, with 510 hp. I was able to close up in the corners, but not that much that I was able to keep up. Good fun. Third session was mostly a code 60 so not much to say there, except that I blew a hose of, which looked to be a coolant hose, but it was at the back of the engine, and I couldn't really see what it was. Because of this I called it a day and went home. I now know it's the engine breather, and it's just a very minor issue.