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Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
A trophy will piss over a standard 172 cup round corners. A standard cup handles like a drunken race horse, it's sloppy, gives in when s**t gets rough and it the back comes out to easy.
A standard trophy handles corners very nicely as it has one of the best suspension setups you can get on a factory car. (Hot hatch)
A trophy will piss over a standard 172 cup round corners. A standard cup handles like a drunken race horse, it's sloppy, gives in when s**t gets rough and it the back comes out to easy.
A standard trophy handles corners very nicely as it has one of the best suspension setups you can get on a factory car. (Hot hatch)
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
Exactly.
Cup was just a cheapo 172 - And in reality it wasn't that cheap - Renault took out everything that made the 172 the price it was people still bought the poor mans version for like £1500 less!! Renault must have been laughing all the way to the bank!
The Trophy was not just a cheapo version - It was a purpose built limited edition and is the car the Cup only wishes it was.
Exactly.
Cup was just a cheapo 172 - And in reality it wasn't that cheap - Renault took out everything that made the 172 the price it was people still bought the poor mans version for like £1500 less!! Renault must have been laughing all the way to the bank!
The Trophy was not just a cheapo version - It was a purpose built limited edition and is the car the Cup only wishes it was.
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
Trophy 'should' be better too, it costs double the 172 Cup... but a set of springs will stiffen the Cup up, Chris n Nic's handles amazing and its lighter than the Trophy can ever be, so there's advantages and disadvantages to both... Cup takes it in looks too... just (imo of course!). Red's a bit naff normally, only gets away with it because of the cool as fook wheels.
Laingo, what's the complex with the Cup, is it because it was cheaper to buy and holds just as good if not better value?
Given the choice I'd have a quicker car with less equipment, but a better driving experience over a slower, more equipped car... then again I'm used to driving a Williams! lol
Trophy 'should' be better too, it costs double the 172 Cup... but a set of springs will stiffen the Cup up, Chris n Nic's handles amazing and its lighter than the Trophy can ever be, so there's advantages and disadvantages to both... Cup takes it in looks too... just (imo of course!). Red's a bit naff normally, only gets away with it because of the cool as fook wheels.
Laingo, what's the complex with the Cup, is it because it was cheaper to buy and holds just as good if not better value?
Given the choice I'd have a quicker car with less equipment, but a better driving experience over a slower, more equipped car... then again I'm used to driving a Williams! lol
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Black S2 106 Rallye LHD
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
I'd rather have the cup, and a mortgage deposit in cash in the glovebox.
I'd rather have the cup, and a mortgage deposit in cash in the glovebox.
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
A standard CUP handles like a druken race house.:S
It's the best front wheel drive car I have ever driven,for the money I can't think of a better one.
Im sure standard for standard the CUP would'nt be that far behind the Trophy.
Subway said:
A standard CUP handles like a druken race house.:S
It's the best front wheel drive car I have ever driven,for the money I can't think of a better one.
Im sure standard for standard the CUP would'nt be that far behind the Trophy.
Ultra 197 ex 172 Cup
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
i doubt you would actually notice a difference between the trophy and cup, if you had brand new versions of each, cup would win cos of weight, trophy only has better shocks, but that is needed for the weight, and cos the original cup's shocks leak. Put the STIG in both and see what he can do, WRITE TO TOP GEAR
i doubt you would actually notice a difference between the trophy and cup, if you had brand new versions of each, cup would win cos of weight, trophy only has better shocks, but that is needed for the weight, and cos the original cup's shocks leak. Put the STIG in both and see what he can do, WRITE TO TOP GEAR
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
Well obviously you haven't driven many front wheel drive performance cars. Go drive there ITR, now threes a car which can handle like a race horse.
My old standard 1.2 handled better then my standard cup. I've had the cup now just over a year, I've taken it on many track days standard & many track days modified, I’ve driven a trophy on track a few times also. I'm not making s**t up; I know what I'm talking about. A cup round corners isn't as great as everyone seems to think, but my guess is you haven’t pushed it hard enough yet.
Adam
Well obviously you haven't driven many front wheel drive performance cars. Go drive there ITR, now threes a car which can handle like a race horse.
My old standard 1.2 handled better then my standard cup. I've had the cup now just over a year, I've taken it on many track days standard & many track days modified, I’ve driven a trophy on track a few times also. I'm not making s**t up; I know what I'm talking about. A cup round corners isn't as great as everyone seems to think, but my guess is you haven’t pushed it hard enough yet.
Adam
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
You've already convinced yourself that you have the fastest bestest Clio ever made. Everything else is just going to be arguing with other peoples views.
My guess, for what it's worth, is that near the limits of the car and driver, the Trophy would slowly walk away from any other standard 2.0 Clio with the same driver, be it 172, 182, Cup or otherwise.
I haven't driven a Trophy so I dont really know what all the fuss is about. Yet.
CUPCRAZY said:
You've already convinced yourself that you have the fastest bestest Clio ever made. Everything else is just going to be arguing with other peoples views.
My guess, for what it's worth, is that near the limits of the car and driver, the Trophy would slowly walk away from any other standard 2.0 Clio with the same driver, be it 172, 182, Cup or otherwise.
I haven't driven a Trophy so I dont really know what all the fuss is about. Yet.
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
hmm... lol
i'd suggest you try driving a Williams or ITR and get back to us on that one. My 17poo on coilovers doesn't even hold a candle to my old Williams for cornering agility once I'd replaced all the suspension with new. In fact nothing I've driven comes close to a Willy or ITR.
CUPCRAZY said:
hmm... lol
i'd suggest you try driving a Williams or ITR and get back to us on that one. My 17poo on coilovers doesn't even hold a candle to my old Williams for cornering agility once I'd replaced all the suspension with new. In fact nothing I've driven comes close to a Willy or ITR.
LY 182
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
Here is a legend of the numpties that will post:
Ones that defend their car to the death
Ones that defend other people's cars to death
Ones that try every effort to show you that they know best.
Oh and the egotistical type that will try every effort to mention the least likely choice just to look cool.
My opinion in order, in standard form
Trophy
182 Cup
172 Cup 182FF
172 FF Phase 1 & 2
Edit: Forget that list though and learn to drive, that will make the biggest difference!
Here is a legend of the numpties that will post:
Ones that defend their car to the death
Ones that defend other people's cars to death
Ones that try every effort to show you that they know best.
Oh and the egotistical type that will try every effort to mention the least likely choice just to look cool.
My opinion in order, in standard form
Trophy
182 Cup
172 Cup 182FF
172 FF Phase 1 & 2
Edit: Forget that list though and learn to drive, that will make the biggest difference!
Iain C
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
trophy is better stock for stock...end of really.
Interestingly (mabye) at the last brands day i thought the Trophy handled better than My H&Rd cup.....Tho i was told i was wrong by a few people.
trophy is better stock for stock...end of really.
Interestingly (mabye) at the last brands day i thought the Trophy handled better than My H&Rd cup.....Tho i was told i was wrong by a few people.
Re: Trophy Vs 172cup
I think every post is in some way recycled from something said in the past... no such thing as an original thread these days lol. Oh, and wait til I spray the 172 in 449... you wont be laughing then sonny!
actually I'll stick with silver... can get away with cleaning it less :rasp:
Revels, nowt wrong with old and cheap... (resists mum related joke... must.... try.....and stop..... my... self....)
I think every post is in some way recycled from something said in the past... no such thing as an original thread these days lol. Oh, and wait til I spray the 172 in 449... you wont be laughing then sonny!
actually I'll stick with silver... can get away with cleaning it less :rasp:
Revels, nowt wrong with old and cheap... (resists mum related joke... must.... try.....and stop..... my... self....)
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