understeer!

[Dan R]

I've been out in a LEDA'd car and it felt wicked, not been out in an AST one, so Dan will have to take me out in his. I know it's got proper rear coilovers like a Cup racer, similar I'm guessing to the setup Yoz uses on Cuppy... based on how well that thing went at Spa I'm expecting it to be pretty bloody good to be honest. Cant be bad either way, your Ring times kinda show that Dan, didn't you do a sup 9 minute on them with a stock engine and little experience of the track?

No mate. It was a standard car, engine, suspension, road tyres and brakes. Did it in 9mins 8 secs goin in 4 weeks with new suspension and track tyres so should blitz that

 

[Dan R]

Dan were you not developing the AST kit at cadwell the day i met you?! Looked f**kin nice...And orange iirc

Yeah i was mate. Their first trackday Had them on the car 2 weeks before that so was a good test for them had absolutely no problems with them and will soon have solid top mounts

 

[Dan R]

LOL ha ha ha - the LEDA's were about £1350, but your right lets not argue as its pointless were not going to get anywhere, we all have different makes and we will all defend them ... so we will go round in circles, no doubt be would still have understeer on a set of AST's running 300lb front springs, the only difference being that the AST uses a helper spring, how much difference that makes i am yet to find out.

Iv already looked at the AST race stuff and it looks excellent - but thats not on ur car is it, what are you running the sport line 1? which i would compare to an H and R set up with the AST have the bonus of being adjustible. Im still not convinced on the strength of the rear coilovers.

Untill we get a decent ohlins (or something) set up for fast road/track were all going to say our own suspension is better than the competition, at the end of the day it will come down to set up and whos driving the car

What the hell has 300lb springs got to do with anything???? mine are 285lb fronts. the helper spring is just to take up the gap of the shorter spring it basically does nothing when the car is sat on its wheels. they are totally flattened. did you not know that then???? obviously not. anybody that tells you any different knows nothing about it.

 

[Dan R]

LOL ha ha ha - the LEDA's were about £1350, but your right lets not argue as its pointless were not going to get anywhere, we all have different makes and we will all defend them ... so we will go round in circles, no doubt be would still have understeer on a set of AST's running 300lb front springs, the only difference being that the AST uses a helper spring, how much difference that makes i am yet to find out.

Iv already looked at the AST race stuff and it looks excellent - but thats not on ur car is it, what are you running the sport line 1? which i would compare to an H and R set up with the AST have the bonus of being adjustible. Im still not convinced on the strength of the rear coilovers.

Untill we get a decent ohlins (or something) set up for fast road/track were all going to say our own suspension is better than the competition, at the end of the day it will come down to set up and whos driving the car

A "helper" spring will keep tension on your main spring while the car is lifted. These keep the springs from becoming unseated when not under compression. not goin to make any difference to the suspension!!!!!!

 

[Ali]

Dan were you not developing the AST kit at cadwell the day i met you?! Looked f**kin nice...And orange iirc

Yeah i was mate. Their first trackday Had them on the car 2 weeks before that so was a good test for them had absolutely no problems with them and will soon have solid top mounts

looked good from what i saw!

 

[BenR]

LOL ha ha ha - the LEDA's were about £1350, but your right lets not argue as its pointless were not going to get anywhere, we all have different makes and we will all defend them ... so we will go round in circles, no doubt be would still have understeer on a set of AST's running 300lb front springs, the only difference being that the AST uses a helper spring, how much difference that makes i am yet to find out.

Iv already looked at the AST race stuff and it looks excellent - but thats not on ur car is it, what are you running the sport line 1? which i would compare to an H and R set up with the AST have the bonus of being adjustible. Im still not convinced on the strength of the rear coilovers.

Untill we get a decent ohlins (or something) set up for fast road/track were all going to say our own suspension is better than the competition, at the end of the day it will come down to set up and whos driving the car

What the hell has 300lb springs got to do with anything???? mine are 285lb fronts. the helper spring is just to take up the gap of the shorter spring it basically does nothing when the car is sat on its wheels. they are totally flattened. did you not know that then???? obviously not. anybody that tells you any different knows nothing about it.

I think he means if the AST's were on with the same front spring rate.

I think the main issue is that wild pokes and internet advicen is about the worst way to setup a car. I've told him to go away and gather some real world data and systematically change and test 1 factor at a time before he rushes out to buy new bits and bobs straight away.

 

[Dan R]

Yeah i was mate. Their first trackday Had them on the car 2 weeks before that so was a good test for them had absolutely no problems with them and will soon have solid top mounts

looked good from what i saw!

cheers. Was very pleased on the day. I think u were chasing me in the v6 werent you ?

 

[TheJesus]

I've been out in a LEDA'd car and it felt wicked, not been out in an AST one, so Dan will have to take me out in his. I know it's got proper rear coilovers like a Cup racer, similar I'm guessing to the setup Yoz uses on Cuppy... based on how well that thing went at Spa I'm expecting it to be pretty bloody good to be honest. Cant be bad either way, your Ring times kinda show that Dan, didn't you do a sup 9 minute on them with a stock engine and little experience of the track?

No mate. It was a standard car, engine, suspension, road tyres and brakes. Did it in 9mins 8 secs goin in 4 weeks with new suspension and track tyres so should blitz that

even better then! I've got a 8:50odd to beat in mine from when Mehdi took it to the ring, but it was only 217bhp then and he's no track experience or experience of the ring, so that was pretty damn good imo. I dont think I'll do a sub 9 min with all my mods on, especially not after only 3 laps! lol

My new coilovers will hopefully help, as will R888's, I need every advantage I can get lol

 

[izibizi]

With your spring setup you should not get any understeer
Tyre pressures are not that important

I would check the health of your rear ARB, maybe buy a ph3 rear beam with stiffer ARB
And do buy wishbones from newer model (ph2), they have more caster built in
Your alignment looks fine, u need more camber for trackdays (-2.5)
Try spacers at the front

hi dude, im gona get some more camber on asap for my next trackday!
i have a psh3 (182) rear beam and ARB
do the ps2 wishbones fit the ps1? i thought they sent the cast WAY off original

would spacers help me? what MM should i look at?

you only need more camber on the front
yes, all the newer wishbones fit ph1, look at RenaultSport gr.N reinforced wishbones, cheap as chips (7711129560and7711129559) but without silent blocks
eibach 15mm spacers in front did help, but I was using standard ph2 wheels ET48.5
the BIGEST difference was rear tracking, have run 0 toe and even toe out, world of difference

 

[BenR]

Most people forget one persons driving style doesnt not mean their setup reflects another persons.

Some people love REAL on the limit loose cars, and some get scares shitless by it.

 

[izibizi]

Most people forget one persons driving style doesnt not mean their setup reflects another persons.

Some people love REAL on the limit loose cars, and some get scares s**tless by it.

must agree with everything ben said

just start changing 1 thing at the time and go from there

 

[BenR]

Exactly what i told him to do.

Its pointless to start playing with the chassis without an aim, and i dont even think Ben had an idea on how he wanted it to handle apart from 'good' lol.

 

[Tony Hunter]

As been said before,you are not going to get a "quick fix"on a forum,we have eight machanices and spend all day testing in and out the garage small changes are made all logged etc.its very time consuming and boring.
Just do one thing at a time or you'll get in a right old mess.
I like mine loose. Good luck

 

[franx]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=313505&highlight=powerflex

Ben, this is what "Make" , guy from Finland said about the bushes on the antirolbar in my thread.. third or fourth reply.

may be the problem..

 

[-Make-]

..if you tighten arb in front you understeer more, loosen -> oversteer.
tighten arb at back -> more oversteer, loosen -> understeer

one basic setup thing

 

[Sam@NP]

Id run a bit more front camber and has the car been corner weighted?

 

[Tony Hunter]

Lol Sam,he has not got that car anymore,did you not check the date.Bless.

 

[Sam@NP]

No im hungover and just woken up from a nap FML

 

[markkram]

Holy thread resurrection batman. lol