Video of my phase 1 clio turbo doing 0-100mph

[Chip-mk1]

Looks like it took about 11 or 12 seconds or so in this video, it starts moving about 2 seconds in and hits 100 at roughly 13 seconds.

TBH the car could definately do better but it was the first time Ive ever tried launching it and it was on a slight uphill away from the lights, so I reckon there is probably a 10 in it with a bit more practice and on a better bit of (private non public highway like this was) road.

 

[Matt Cup]

Pulls like a f**king train

 

[JamesT87]

Jesus chip!!! That is awesome!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Its not bad at all considering all it actually is in reality is a snotty old 100K+ mile standard 172 bottom end with knackered rings and a dirty great score down one of the bores with a low comp head and a turbo bolted on.

Hopefully over winter I'll build up a decent condition bottom end for it with a better block and a new set of rings etc as its served its original purpose now having been totally reliable for 7K miles from its original starting point (MWMsport built it originally as a testbed for their turbo conversions)

I am actually running a couple of lbs more boost than they had it at originally when we mapped it the first time and it made 258bhp, as Ive just been out and mapped it this evening with a little more in it now, but other than that its exactly as they original did it

These engines really do love a bit of boost

 

[JamesT87]

Its not bad at all considering all it actually is in reality is a snotty old 100K+ mile standard 172 bottom end with knackered rings and a dirty great score down one of the bores with a low comp head and a turbo bolted on.

Hopefully over winter I'll build up a decent condition bottom end for it with a better block and a new set of rings etc as its served its original purpose now having been totally reliable for 7K miles from its original starting point (MWMsport built it originally as a testbed for their turbo conversions)

I am actually running a couple of lbs more boost than they had it at originally when we mapped it the first time and it made 258bhp, as Ive just been out and mapped it this evening with a little more in it now, but other than that its exactly as they original did it

These engines really do love a bit of boost

What ECU are you using Chip? Is the turbo a 225one?

James

 

[Chip-mk1]

What ECU are you using Chip? Is the turbo a 225one?

James

Its on an Mtech V4 ecu mate, and the turbo is a Focus RS one.
Intercooler is a standard Focus ST one.
Bottom end is (sub) standard 172 lump
Head is a 197 one, although MWM now machine the 172 head instead.
Standard box
Pipercross RS2 spec filter


Its actually a very basic spec really, just a case of having just the right bits that it needs and nothing more, rather than a load of expensive blingy bits it doesnt need like most people build, lol


I can probably find a few more bhp with a bit more mapping but I will need to do it on the rollers really as its a bit too nippy on the road now to really map the ignition properly as it runs through all the load sites a bit too quickly, so Ive just left it very conservative till I get on some rollers at some point (mind you with the way its breathing past the tired old rings its probably better as it is, so might wait till I have put a fresher bottom end in it)

 

[George182]

Good god, that's quicker than I remember! That little car is insane - love it.

 

[Brett]

That is absolutely rapid. Love it mate.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Good god, that's quicker than I remember! That little car is insane - love it.

Its cause it actually has some grip now mate, lol

That video was two people in the car as well as it was when me and the mrs were out mapping it.

 

[sbridgey]

I think I want a turbo now.

 

[r0ss172]

Have they started to offer the drive in drive out package now?

Looks brilliant!

 

[Zmaster2k]

im getting seriously tempted to do this in a mk1

 

[Chip-mk1]

Have they started to offer the drive in drive out package now?

Looks brilliant!

Mike is currently doing a turbo 172 for his brother to fine tune the package as obviously my one has stuff like a secondhand ST intercooler which they wont be using on customer cars, after that though they are offering them to the public I believe.
I think George182 on here is provisionally booked in to be the first Phase2/182 (ie drive by wire) car done.

 

[Chip-mk1]

im getting seriously tempted to do this in a mk1

If you are only after moderate power, and arent going to want to do 20 trackdays a year like I do, I think its a great idea for your car, only reason Im not doing the same for my own mk1 is the gearbox, thats the downside to the F4R really IMHO

 

[r0ss172]

Good stuff, any idea how much the conversion will cost?

Are you going to be at CSS in it at all? Dying to go out in a boosted Clio!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Good stuff, any idea how much the conversion will cost?

You would need to talk to MWM but I think its around the 4K mark as a drive in - boost out conversion.
Which considering its put onto aftermarket management etc as part of the conversion sounds like pretty good value to me, you'd spend well over half that in parts to do it yourself realistically.

Are you going to be at CSS in it at all? Dying to go out in a boosted Clio!

Not sure yet, TBH was hoping to take the RS2 car as its only a static show and the mrs likes detailing the engine bay and showing it off etc, but its got no cylinder head on it at the moment and my new Flex hone seems to be lost somewhere between here and the states at the moment so if its not here by next weekend then I might be in the turbo instead even though its not very pretty to look at.
Not really sure there is much opportunity for passenger rides at Gaydon though.

 

[r0ss172]

You would need to talk to MWM but I think its around the 4K mark as a drive in - boost out conversion.
Which considering its put onto aftermarket management etc as part of the conversion sounds like pretty good value to me, you'd spend well over half that in parts to do it yourself realistically.




Not sure yet, TBH was hoping to take the RS2 car as its only a static show and the mrs likes detailing the engine bay and showing it off etc, but its got no cylinder head on it at the moment and my new Flex hone seems to be lost somewhere between here and the states at the moment so if its not here by next weekend then I might be in the turbo instead even though its not very pretty to look at.
Not really sure there is much opportunity for passenger rides at Gaydon though.

Im a local to Gaydon and trust me, there are plenty of roads for a good blast around there! Why do you think Aston Martin and Jag are based there lol!

Il PM you nearer the time to see what you will be in and if you are cool to go out for a spirited drive

 

[Zmaster2k]

If you are only after moderate power, and arent going to want to do 20 trackdays a year like I do, I think its a great idea for your car, only reason Im not doing the same for my own mk1 is the gearbox, thats the downside to the F4R really IMHO

its my only concern ive got a rebuilt box thats done Circa 5k.. with a bolt in diff.. but with these chocolate boxes its just going to transfer the strain to the casing FAIL

p.s bought standalone and dash2 this week

 

[Chip-mk1]

Im a local to Gaydon and trust me, there are plenty of roads for a good blast around there! Why do you think Aston Martin and Jag are based there lol!

Lol, what I meant was not sure how much opportunity as I cant be bothered going in and out of the event lots of times etc mate not whether or not there was a road to drive down.

 

[r0ss172]

Ah I see that's fair enough mate

 

[Chip-mk1]

its my only concern ive got a rebuilt box thats done Circa 5k.. with a bolt in diff.. but with these chocolate boxes its just going to transfer the strain to the casing FAIL

p.s bought standalone and dash2 this week

Yeah there is no workable answer to the box problem other than swapping to a better one really. There just isn't a suitable upgrade for the Renault one.

What management did you go for?
did you get the dash2 ecu interface too?
Did you get a data logger as well?

 

[Zmaster2k]

Yeah there is no workable answer to the box problem other than swapping to a better one really. There just isn't a suitable upgrade for the Renault one.

What management did you go for?
did you get the dash2 ecu interface too?
Did you get a data logger as well?

Yeah its a PITA Scoff looks like his VAG conversion works, butive heard they arnt the quickest boxes to drive with but are meant to be bullet proof really. f**k it i'll get another mortgage and get a Sadev lol

Was tempted with the emerald K6, Canems and Omex 600, in the end went for the Omex as the canems dossnt support telemetry output to the dash2. And didnt go for emerald as many mappers dont like mapping it as the software isnt ideal. Omex is well known and tbh has all the features i need.

yeah bought the interface cable, like you said having a dash2 without the ecu is a massive waste, Seriously considered the DL1 kit but figured i didnt really need it !

Going to run speeedo off a ph1 172 in my gearbox, as its on £24 and i need two new abs sensors on mine and they are £140 each lol, i think this will proberly mean i wont be able to use the TCS feature (but lets be honest i dont need it) although it should be enough to set up launch control for s***s and giggles lol assuming all LC needs is a signal the car is moving. So with that in mind would i wire the speedo into the ECU or into the dash2?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yeah its a PITA Scoff looks like his VAG conversion works, butive heard they arnt the quickest boxes to drive with but are meant to be bullet proof really. f**k it i'll get another mortgage and get a Sadev lol

Sadev's need constant rebuilds, totally unsuitable for a road car, the VAG box isnt quite as nice a change as a 172 box, but TBH its still way quicker than I ever change on the 172 personally as im so wary of the lack of strength of it, so personally I would put up with the VAG box given the choice.

Was tempted with the emerald K6, Canems and Omex 600, in the end went for the Omex as the canems dossnt support telemetry output to the dash2. And didnt go for emerald as many mappers dont like mapping it as the software isnt ideal. Omex is well known and tbh has all the features i need.

The canems is a bit mickey mouse with transient fuel control too, and I totally agree on the emerald, I absolutely hate mapping them, Omex out of those 3 would definately have been my choice too.

yeah bought the interface cable, like you said having a dash2 without the ecu is a massive waste, Seriously considered the DL1 kit but figured i didnt really need it !

You can borrow my DL1 at some point if you ever want to do some data logging Ive got a spare loom for it to allow it to move from car to car.

Going to run speeedo off a ph1 172 in my gearbox, as its on £24 and i need two new abs sensors on mine and they are £140 each lol, i think this will proberly mean i wont be able to use the TCS feature (but lets be honest i dont need it) although it should be enough to set up launch control for s**ts and giggles lol assuming all LC needs is a signal the car is moving. So with that in mind would i wire the speedo into the ECU or into the dash2?

Only 14 quid off ebay and they actually work believe it or not.

First insinct is to say that if you wire it into the ecu and then it will be in the published data for the dash anyway so both will see it, however IIRC there was some issue with the mileometer if done this way around, so check with race technology that its ok. If not you can easily wire it in parrelel to both anyway.
You can still use it for launch control or if you want a really simple way of doing basic LC without needing rear sensors etc you can always go for putting it on a push button that you release once moving (essentially its a just a different rev limiter while the switch is active, some people put it on the clutch for example or you can do it on a button you actually hold yourself on the steering wheel)

 

[Silent_Scone]

Not bad for a Frankenstein car

350bhp next?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Not bad for a Frankenstein car

Yeah when you think that if you DIY it and get lucky with the price of 2nd hand bits you could convert any 172 for about 2K or so to the same spec its quite surprising how good it is.

350bhp next?

Nope, I see no point in doing that without a diff and I dont want to spend money on a diff in the renault box.
If I ever want a significant power increase I will swap to a VAG box or something first, but TBH I would sooner spend that time and money on the Nova or the Clio Mk1 instead, I really like this phase 1 but its not intended as a big project, its just a nice useable trackday hack while the others are in bits or as a spare car.

 

[tom172cup]

Chip get it up to the strip would be intresting to see what it can do there. you can get through the vag box pretty rapid too :race: so just get one in there it makes sense

 

[Chip-mk1]

Chip get it up to the strip would be intresting to see what it can do there. you can get through the vag box pretty rapid too :race: so just get one in there it makes sense

Sorry mate only just saw your reply when I was searching for something else.


Ive got very little interest in quarter miles TBH mate, would sooner spend my time doing trackdays instead, and if I am going to bother with the 8 hour or so round trip to Pod do one I'd sooner take my nova really as its far more suited to it and more fun to run.


The VAG box would make sense if I was committed to this car long term I agree, but im not, Im far more interested in my mk1, this is just a car till thats done really, hence my name on here isnt Chip-ph1, lol, so with a finite amount of time and money available to me I dont want to invest too much of either in this car as it will just keep putting off me getting the mk1 done (which has a proper gearbox and LSD etc going in it anyway)

Dont get me wrong, I do REALLY like this car, but ultimately this is where it sits for me in terms of the order of what Im likely to want to keep from out current cars:
My mini
The mk1
The RS2 ph2 ( this high mainly cause my mrs loves it)
-- this is probably the break point of what is staying long term realistically--
The nova
The sierra
The Ph1 turbo
Then all the other cars below here are definately on borrowed time and not even worth listing, lol



So I have to keep it in perspective, as it will no doubt be up for sale within 2 years.

 

[Cub.]

Looks epic, good work young Chippington...please bring it to the next SC Nandos / pub meet, as much as I loved the ph1 shed on orange wheels last time I still haven't seen this in the flesh!

 

[Chip-mk1]

You doing renault sport evening at Bedford next Friday? I'll be there with it.

 

[Cub.]

You doing renault sport evening at Bedford next Friday? I'll be there with it.

Sadly not mate, wedding is still ruling my life - only 3 weeks to go and lots of small detail things to sort out. My better half tells me its the 'small details that make the day'. This logic clearly didn't apply to our honeymoon else the 'small details' like being able to do Llandow version 2 would have 'made the honeymoon' lol.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Flol.

 

[Craig.]

Boosted Ph1s FTW

 

[Chip-mk1]

Boosted Ph1s FTW

Agreed!

Ph1 > Ph2
Boost > cars that suck

 

[Nickson]

Ridiculously fast!

I regret not charging my PH1

Boost = Win!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ridiculously fast!

Thanks mate.

TBH the actual figures (ie 11-12 to 100mph) are a bit misleading as you can see from the video I was being very gentle on the gear changes, in gear its actually much quicker than those numbers would suggest, im sure if I abused it (which I dont want to with so many trackdays coming up and the boxes being fragile) it could get it down to more like 10.

I regret not charging my PH1

Boost = Win!

Get another one and do it

 

[Coops Mk1]

should see 10, think clocked the mk1 at about 9-10 once, again just off video timer so not exactly accurate. get that box abused, they love it

 

[Chip-mk1]

should see 10, think clocked the mk1 at about 9-10 once, again just off video timer so not exactly accurate. get that box abused, they love it

They really dont, broke 8 of them in under 10K miles on my mk1

 

[domsclio182]

Looks pretty quick mate, hopefully mine will be as rapid in the next couple of weeks or so. These really are great little cars, esp with boost...

 

[Coops Mk1]

I've been through 13 I think now, but so easy to change and so cheap to buy that it doesn't really bother me and the early mk 2 172 boxes seem to be the best of a bad bunch, current ones done 3-4 track days and countless pod trips, although its now snatching 3rd most of the time and 5th aint happy...and the diff sounds like a derailed train.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I've been through 13 I think now, but so easy to change and so cheap to buy that it doesn't really bother me and the early mk 2 172 boxes seem to be the best of a bad bunch, current ones done 3-4 track days and countless pod trips, although its now snatching 3rd most of the time and 5th aint happy...and the diff sounds like a derailed train.

Slightly more awkward to change on the 172 than on the Mk1 TBH, subframe is a different shape at the side which sits the chassis rail higher on the mk1 which means its got more clearance to get box in and out.

Yeah ive moved onto early 172 boxes for my mk1 as well now, although only for another year or so then its going honda!