hello all a few months back i am sure i saw an rsi on ebay with a volvo turbo engine in it? or am i imagining things? anyway if it is possible what sort of power do these engine run (standard)? the engine looked virtually identical to an rsi engine apart from all the turbo parts. would make an interesting swap i guess, any feedback?
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Djw Dave is doing a conversion just now and Im helping out when I can, beleive me it'll have more than 130bhp!!
The wiring and 1 engine mount are the biggest hassles, the actual engine fits in with room to spare.
The wiring and 1 engine mount are the biggest hassles, the actual engine fits in with room to spare.
Pat_986 said:
No its not, and Iwasnt claiming it was standard, just trying to add a bit to the discussion. If your gonna go to all the work of fitting it and in this case renewing a lot of parts so the engine is in a1 nick then its pointless leaving it standard imo! The aim is for around 170bhp at first I believe but I'll point Dave towards this thread and he can give more details.
Pat_986 said:
The volvo lump is the very same 1.7 but turbod.
The 1.7 is a poor engine tho...even ben r says so. Stone age design...so is the GTT i suppose...but with zero tuning info and parts available. Fair enough buying a cheap volvo lump and firing it in but for tuning? Stick with the GTT...its a cheaper alternative in that respect and far more rewarding. Look at this way, if the 1.7 could be tuned easily, K-Tec/BB/EP/GDI/TT etc would have caughtened on but they haven't.
Yeah but the minute you bolt the 1.7 head on it becomes a complete unknown again due to the compression ratio/part issue i said above doesn't it?
The other thing to remember is that if you dump a complete 1.7 t engine you've a good RSI lump to flog on and recoup costs...or worst case put back in if the 1.7t lump is a pile of crap. If you start mixing and matching you've no fall back.
The other thing to remember is that if you dump a complete 1.7 t engine you've a good RSI lump to flog on and recoup costs...or worst case put back in if the 1.7t lump is a pile of crap. If you start mixing and matching you've no fall back.
u33db said:
Ok the b18ft is a much better engine than a Gtt one. I mean pushrod, carb its just a s**t engine. The Gtt lump is better for tunning but only till the head gasket blows or it over heats! there is no tunning parts or info?? well thats weird as there is a whole fourm dedicated to the engine!! People are running a reliable 170-180bhp and one guy running 225+ (reliably) on the volvo fourms. There are not alot of parts out there for them because the engine was built for a volvo, and they dont really like speed they like tweed jumpers and golf!
People shouldnt slate things so easily if they dont know much about them.Dave
Oh and they have the same compression ratio as a Cossie
clio rsi turbo, phase 2
djw dave: you alright mate, spoke to you on the volvo fourom the other day about intercoolers - i posted a pic of mine up because you were finding out what ppl used.
anyway, hows yours going? if you need any info or help at all, on all aspects of the 1.7 turb conv, just pm me.
anyway, hows yours going? if you need any info or help at all, on all aspects of the 1.7 turb conv, just pm me.
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Djw Dave said:Ok the b18ft is a much better engine than a Gtt one. I mean pushrod, carb its just a sh*t engine. The Gtt lump is better for tunning but only till the head gasket blows or it over heats! there is no tunning parts or info?? well thats weird as there is a whole fourm dedicated to the engine!! People are running a reliable 170-180bhp and one guy running 225+ (reliably) on the volvo fourms. There are not alot of parts out there for them because the engine was built for a volvo, and they dont really like speed they like tweed jumpers and golf!
Dave
Oh and they have the same compression ratio as a Cossie
Woah - a whole forum dedicated to them!!
Anyway I have to disagree on the GTT being s**t; you know as well as i do the rep they have for blowing up after idiot owners misuse them...the same as any other engine...the fact that your volvo lump doesn't have this is smply down to the fact that very few people have bothered with them. Why is that? I'll say again, if they were that good they'd be a far more popular choice but they're not.
Don't get me wrong, i appreciate that you've spent a lot of time reseraching the matter and are taking pride in your conversion but it simply doesn't have the same potential as GTT power. You say people are reliably running 170-odd bhp...same is true of lots of GTT's...one guy is running 225+ bhp...so are lots of GTTs...theres a few 300+ bhp GTT's yet theres no equivalent 1.7t.
There no substitute for proven performance and development.
u33db said:
Wow try not to be a d!ck about it!
I was mearly saying that there was a fourm about it and that there is stuff out there for them. Maybe the Gtt lump is better but thats stone age, pushrod and carbs is just bad. Yes they have been developed further cos there is more proplr wanting them, i think basically everyone who has a Gtt wnats it faster, but the volvo lump remains in the volvo that no-one wants to do anything to. Ill build an equilalent 300bhp engine just to annoy them. Joke
I wasn't, i'm just saying that the GTT engine isn't as bad as everyone makes out and is a far better option for tuning. I agree, it is stone-age but just because somethings old doesn't make it inferior.
As for everyone who has a GTT wanting it faster well yeah but you could say that about any car...at least GTT peeps are able to do it cheaper and safer though.
As for everyone who has a GTT wanting it faster well yeah but you could say that about any car...at least GTT peeps are able to do it cheaper and safer though.
The point is simple, a 200bhp B18FT is a safer engine than a 200bhp GTT
the volvo unit will do 170bhp with NO mods whatsoever apart from and ecu remap which is around £80 and it will see 220bhp with a upgraded turbo
the biggest issue is a lack of development, this means that how far it can be pushed is a relative unknown
i will be running around 170bhp to begin with plus 50bhp worth of gas with the next stage being 220bhp with a further 50-75bhp worth of gas. Pushing the development getting there is all part of the project as no-one really knows what it can and cant handle.
yes the r5 engine is EASIER to get to higher power levels because its had development over neigh on 15 years, however i'd bet it'd cost more to get 220bhp out of the r5 reliably than it would the volvo unit.
dave
the volvo unit will do 170bhp with NO mods whatsoever apart from and ecu remap which is around £80 and it will see 220bhp with a upgraded turbo
the biggest issue is a lack of development, this means that how far it can be pushed is a relative unknown
i will be running around 170bhp to begin with plus 50bhp worth of gas with the next stage being 220bhp with a further 50-75bhp worth of gas. Pushing the development getting there is all part of the project as no-one really knows what it can and cant handle.
yes the r5 engine is EASIER to get to higher power levels because its had development over neigh on 15 years, however i'd bet it'd cost more to get 220bhp out of the r5 reliably than it would the volvo unit.
dave
Well i see your point...i suppose if you start with more power/larger capcity then gains will be proportional. I'd still side with GTT for the cheapness/proven factor by credit where its due...if you do well with the volvo lump then your opening up more options to everyone.
Incidentally, my 1.2 8v is getting 16v power soon...think you're from scotland so i'll be up for a comparision dude! ;-p
Incidentally, my 1.2 8v is getting 16v power soon...think you're from scotland so i'll be up for a comparision dude! ;-p
