imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
How old are you btw
i was with asda tpft,i found another insurer cheaper and fully comp.(i was told by 2 garages i had did not have cup pack 182)so i thought add get full koni yellow and sportlines. cause the car handle rubbish.i changed insurers and stated i will be up grading my suspension.they said fine the price is the same we just send u forms out to fill in the mods.i took wheel of to measure spacings before i ordered 4 koni yellow.i found out i already had cup packs(god if this is a cup god help the standard ones) so i called my insurance company and said i may not want to upgrade suspension i mite just get new oem dampers and springs ,they said if i dont change the springs or dampers from oem i have to pay £600 more cause when i took out the policy it was for modified cars.so i can put any mods on it i guess i wont have to pay extra, its backwards i knowits with adrain flux.
I don't even... WHAT?
Did you drink paint thinner? :dapprove:
This thread is mind boggling.. As mentioned many times previously either Eibach Sportlines or CookSport Springs. If you want to change your dampers get a Sachs setup from the trophy.
Are you sure you've got that right ? Your insurance goes up if you've got OEM shocks and springs and goes down if you've got aftermarket suspension ? I've never heard anything like it in my life . :S
i was with asda tpft,i found another insurer cheaper and fully comp.(i was told by 2 garages i had did not have cup pack 182)so i thought add get full koni yellow and sportlines. cause the car handle rubbish.i changed insurers and stated i will be up grading my suspension.they said fine the price is the same we just send u forms out to fill in the mods.i took wheel of to measure spacings before i ordered 4 koni yellow.i found out i already had cup packs(god if this is a cup god help the standard ones) so i called my insurance company and said i may not want to upgrade suspension i mite just get new oem dampers and springs ,they said if i dont change the springs or dampers from oem i have to pay £600 more cause when i took out the policy it was for modified cars.so i can put any mods on it i guess i wont have to pay extra, its backwards i knowits with adrain flux.
yes its crazy i no , been on phone for hours over it ,i think they are drinking paint thinner,they wont bugde on it.its either replace the standard suspension within 2 months or i have to pay double.i cant cancel cause they charge you. your welcome to contact them and ask.i can give you there number,let them explain to you.
so ur sayin in a qualifiying section a 172cup with the same set up as a full fat 182 will be the same times? 172 cup say is 80 kg lighter,so that a 14 stone plus man,i think that would have an effect on the dampers and springs,if it has no effect like you say i guess we will be seeing obese f1 drivers next year.
Think I'm out tbh. My new year philosophy. If I have to read a sentence more than twice to understand it I can't be arsed. Good luck with whatever you do
searching? been on here for 2 days,everyone is obsessed with drop and just say sportsline,i wanna no the goemetry effects of each spring types.and what spring rate is compatible with cup shocks,and is it worth getting camber bolts
You went to university?
Who is this guy?! Seriously??
What an ill mannered turd.
you mis understand i was saying if u put the same lowering springs on a 172 cup and on 182 ff due to the laws of physics it will be different(hookes law f= kx ) from what i remember for uni(i did mechancial engineering,)k =spring stiffness (contant) x is the displacement f is the force( f =ma )so in basic physics if u change the mass,u change the force acting on the spring,this will change the rate of displacement.am looking at it in from an engineering point of view. anyway i did test a cup a few weeks ago it wasnt all that better.just everyone raves about the handling,maybe cause my last sports car was a z4 mpack so am judging it on the way that handled.(yes i no its rear wheel drive)
Omfg, hope you copied and pasted that lol
Now we are getting somewhere since we're using physics! I've had about 5 attempts at a concise reply...
About exactly what you said: "k" is sometimes reffered to as a spring constant. It is exactly that - a constant! Therefore a graph of force against displacement would be linear. Therefore the RATE of displacement is exactly the same for an extra force, regardless of the vehicle weight. (infact if you did a graph of f=kx+c (as in the graph of a straight line being y=mx+c) then c would be your preload and that's exactly what a heavier car would be - a preload. The spring still reacts at the same rate, it just has a preload on it and so is a bit shorter)
About other stuff: If you have "progressive rate" springs like sportlines/prolines (not saying other springs aren't progressive) then the rate of displacement WILL be different for a heavier car - but 1) only ever ever so slightly and 2) it also means you can't use f=kx. If you lowered the suspension (either by fitting lowering springs of the same spring rate or by adding weight e.g. a 172 vs a 182) then you effectively put the suspension into "bump." This means that the outer balljoint moves relative to the inner balljoint and the top mount. Because suspension is all lines and pivot points at funny angles in 3 planes, lowering your car changes virtually everything from CofG and roll centre to camber/castor/toe/kin pin inclination - so in that respect the entire geometry changes! However the amount it changes will be very very small. The wishbones will still have a "positive IC" but it'll be 50 meters away from the car instead of 48 meters and you'll still have toe out but it will be 5.53mm instead of 5.4mm. The "danger" or big differences would come if the stock suspension layout was very close to a "tipping point" where an extra 10mm of ride height starts to make the camber increase as the body rolls instead of decrease - and then making a small change to ride height, weight or spring rate might make a big handling difference. Race cars are good examples of this "tipping point" because they are designed to work in such a limited environment, think F1 where a small track temperature difference between morning practice and afternoon qualifying means one driver suddenly finds a lot of lap time.
thanks for your reply,i just got my new springs n dampers, and camber bolts,ill fit them and play around with goemetry see what fits for me.as people on here have different opinions on what set ups they like .guess its trail and error,if i dont like the springs just bin them. wish i never posted anything now wont be doing that again in a hurry.anyway thank you to you all.
I find vehicle dynamics really interesting anyway, I think it's a shame there isn't much raw data out there for Clios just a lot of experience & driver feedback.
When you fit your springs & dampers make sure you have a really good look around. With the handling you describe it sounds as though something isn't right, have a look at balljoints, TREs, bushes, leaky dampers etc. Also, do let us know how the new spring/dampers feel!
Yes freshening up the standard bits makes a difference on a tired old car.
Check the rack mounts too.
Tell them to feck off.
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i dont give a toss about drop i just wanna go round corners nailed to the road,and not like i have jelly springs now.i had a go of a 2002 old corsa 1.4 sri that was great like a go kart,that had standard suspension on.172 is not a 182 ff so the springs wont work the same will they as the 182 if heavier