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You said it... :p Size wise yes, but they sell to the same people, so 172/182, CTR, Cooper-S, etc.. are all aiming at the same sector.

At the time, I sold it to buy a house... Getting the Mrs one as her next car though! :cool:

Neither is a Pulsar GTi-R but that was named above! However, the 172/182 and CTR are after the same slice of the market...

197bhp / 1204kg = 164bhp/tonne So only 2 less than a Cup or 182, but I have more than 197bhp... ;) LOL The Top Gear times are hardly comparative, try other tests and see... I had a Cup before the Civic, loved it, know exactly how quick they are!

The 172 & Cup are 170bhp (172ps) and the 182s are 179bhp (182ps). Weight wise >>> mk1 172 - 1035kg (164bhp/tonne) mk2 172 - 1110kg (153bhp/tonne) Cup - 1021kg (166bhp/tonne) 182 - 1080kg (166bhp/tonne)

Agreed...

A slight price difference though...

Thats impressive and more like it should be... 1335kg - 150kg = 1185kg Will fly!

Agreed...

My Type R does the 1/4 mile in 14.5secs @ 97mph, but the 0-100 stats are 16. odd secs...

But still almost as quick as a Cup round a track... http://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/Autocar_Lap_Times_01.jpghttp://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/Autocar_Lap_Times_01.jpg...

CTR ;)

True, I only have 158lb/ft of torque and 208bhp, but then again it only weighs 1204kg so a lot lighter than a V6, although way heavier than a 172 or a Cup. :oops: Check out my impressive torque curve though >>&gt...

Apparently... mk1 V6 - 15.2secs @ 94mph mk2 V6 - 14.6secs @ 98mph

So close it wont make a difference... Clio Gear Data Gear Ratios (mph/1000rpm) Speed in Gear (mph) Gear Revs mk1 172 mk2 172 Cup 182 mk1 172 mk2 172 Cup 182 1 7250 4.8 5.3 5.3 5.3 34.8 38.4 38.4 38.4 2 7250 8.7 8.7 8.7 8.8...

Surely be a good 10secs quicker!!! :D

They raved about the 106 GTi and the VTS, said driving wise they were superb and reckoned only the Caterham strung together a series of corners better than the 106!!! Think the larger/wider tyres on the VTS help the lap time, I know my GTi was better when I ditched the 185/55 14s and went to...

Mmmmmmmmm... forced induction!

Only 9 more than my CTR though... ;)

Quite heavy... mk1 - 1335kg mk2 - 1400kg Shoulda made a lightweight (Cup)version IMO

LOL This is gonna get brought up all the time... Try both cars again, one after the other and I bet its a different story! Clio aint always quikest >>> http://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/Autocar_Lap_Times_01.jpghttp://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/Autocar_Lap_Times_01.jpg

Yet quicker on other tracks on other days... http://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/Autocar_Lap_Times_01.jpghttp://members.lycos.co.uk/pug306rallye/Autocar_Lap_Times_01.jpg ;)

Nowt wrong with the CTRs handling though... I am un-biased as Ive had both! :D

For a normally aspirated 2.0 litre 4 cyl engine its actually a decent amount of torque, especially in a light car! Compare it to other similar engines and theres nowt wrong in the torque department. My old Cup actually made 153lb/ft as low as 4500rpm on the rollers, so a really strong...

LOL

Here are the full figures... http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1071408356__Evo_Stats_Cup_WRX_CooperS_FocusRS.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1071408356__Evo_Stats_Cup_WRX_CooperS_FocusRS.jpg Apparently that RS is quicker than it should be and there was some...

For the wife?! A little hardcore really...

The Focus RS would be my choice, then the Golf, woulnt have the mini!

So why is the Cooper-S on the list?!

Could very well be up for this... ;) Actually going to my cousins wedding in York the day before!