172 Clio into an R5 GTT

[James5_GTT]

It's running

 

[Spongebob 172]

holy f**k james.....good man,what was the issue with it

 

[Matteh]

:clap:

 

[Jay Payne]

Yipee!


as above, what did you do to get it going?

 

[Jonny1*2]

:drunk:

 

[Spongebob 172]

Yipee!


as above, what did you do to get it going?

it was a split in the wiring for the ecu to earth

 

[James5_GTT]

it was a split in the wiring for the ecu to earth

Found that the phase 1 172 loom had a split in the earth wire repaired it and then turned the key and she fired straight up only prob now is that the cam tensioner has come loose.

Anyone got the cam timing tools for hire or local to borrow?

 

[Hutchie]

Found that the phase 1 172 loom had a split in the earth wire repaired it and then turned the key and she fired straight up only prob now is that the cam tensioner has come loose.

Anyone got the cam timing tools for hire or local to borrow?

2" flat bar with a u shape cut out of it

 

[Jonny1*2]

Thought it was running James? why you need to time it? Belt overdue?

 

[James5_GTT]

Thought it was running James? why you need to time it? Belt overdue?

Yeah the tensioner has come untensined and so when the car revs it doesn't sound to good on the inlet cam side so think best to re time it up.

 

[James5_GTT]

 

[Alex_X93]

Very nice and thats coming from a 10yr+ 5 coniseur also, standard looking sleeper is the way forward. Side pipe I see had the exact same standard style rear bumper with no cut out on my raider.

 

[James5_GTT]

Well not much of an update as needing to sort the cam timing out, just forgot to mention no longer using the alloy Volvo alloy fuel rail due to now using the small stanrard 172 standard injectors and my modified phase 2 rail for an external FPR.

 

[James5_GTT]

Well had it running like this tonight

Then this happened

 

[Hutchie]

thats broken!!!

 

[Spongebob 172]

FFS if its not one thing its another...stick with it james and all will come good

 

[Matteh]

 

[maynard]

is that the cam belt tensioner? doesn't look good for sure whatever it is.

 

[James5_GTT]

is that the cam belt tensioner? doesn't look good for sure whatever it is.

No it's not the tensioner it's the one opposite.

 

[maynard]

ok, still don't look good! you got a spare one or need to go buy one?

 

[James5_GTT]

ok, still don't look good! you got a spare one or need to go buy one?

Going to have to get another

 

[James5_GTT]

Well she is now up and running I have taken her for a quick drive around the block all seems good apart from my 2k idle (no icv) I am adjusting idle by the accelerator cable for now

 

[Andrew Cooke]

Well she is now up and running I have taken her for a quick drive around the block all seems good apart from my 2k idle (no icv) I am adjusting idle by the accelerator cable for now

I don't think you'll get the idle right with the cable, you need to be able to adjust the stop on the throttle body. I'm not sure what it looks like, but are you able to fit an adjustable stop?

 

[f0xy]

iirc there was an idle control valve for sale in the forsale section on here, as part of a 'breaking 172', cant remember where now though

 

[Chrisjk]

PM joshydee, cliospares has one.

 

[Matteh]

now that you've got your tacho working, can you tell us what rpm it limits at?

do you have the speed sensor plugged in?

 

[James5_GTT]

I don't think you'll get the idle right with the cable, you need to be able to adjust the stop on the throttle body. I'm not sure what it looks like, but are you able to fit an adjustable stop?

There is an adjustable screw on the tb but mine looks the scree has been proper mullered I will drill it out and put a bigger bolt in

 

[James5_GTT]

now that you've got your tacho working, can you tell us what rpm it limits at?

do you have the speed sensor plugged in?

What rpm should it rev to?

And yes I have the speed sensor in place

 

[f0xy]

7000+

Ours (well mine at the moment, we are unsure with matteh's....is set at 6000, the neutral limiter)

 

[James.f]

Excellent read, and im glad you finally got her up and running, have taken a few bits & bobs such as the Alternator solution tho, which i will be needing for my conversion very soon,

good job james

 

[Matteh]

Max. engine speeds for a coolant temperature < 75°C 6,700 rpm
for a coolant temperature > 75°C in 1st or 2nd gear 7,200 rpm
for a coolant temperature > 75°C in 3rd, 4th or 5th speed 7,000 rpm

are you using the r5 speedo sensor or the 172?

 

[James5_GTT]

Max. engine speeds for a coolant temperature < 75°C 6,700 rpm
for a coolant temperature > 75°C in 1st or 2nd gear 7,200 rpm
for a coolant temperature > 75°C in 3rd, 4th or 5th speed 7,000 rpm

are you using the r5 speedo sensor or the 172?

R5 speedo sensor still using the r5 box although i do have a 172 cup box in the shed if the gtt box isn't up for it. I will give it a longer run tomoz and if I feel confident with my conversion a bit if a canning obviously not exceeding speed limits

 

[Matteh]

how does the r5 speedo sensor work... is it a mechanical cable like the mk1 clio with an electrical loom plug near the dials?

 

[James5_GTT]

how does the r5 speedo sensor work... is it a mechanical cable like the mk1 clio with an electrical loom plug near the dials?

Yep same as matey

 

[Matteh]

cool

and you've wired in the speed sensor to the ecu?

 

[James5_GTT]

cool

and you've wired in the speed sensor to the ecu?

Yeah it is wired up being checking out a few other threads on this conversion into a mk1 Clio and the signal has been unsucesful I am now thinking will mine work? What colour wire did you all use?
Also how did you guys wire up the temp gauge? And does anybody know what colour wire does what to the 172 temp sender?

 

[James5_GTT]

Fianlly got it on the road (Still need to take for a good canning though)

Things to do
Temp gauge,
speed sensor queries re above posts,
Find out about how the OE 172 rad fan works (is it constantly on or does it come on when temp switch activatded???)

 

[Matteh]

have a read through mine and f0xys thread for the temp gauge solution. we plumbed in the mk1 clio dash temp sensor in addition to the 172 item.. i presume you can do the same with the 5.

the 172 rad fan should work properly provided you have the relays in place still as well as connecting up the speed sensor and 172 coolant temp sensor to the ecu... atleast mine does anyway

 

[Matteh]

mk1 coolant temp sensor into mk2 thermostat housing

drill through the housing and slot the sensor in. then secure it from behind with a suitable thin nut. also worthwhile using some sealing washers and silicone to stop it leaking - mines been fine up till now. careful with your placement as you will need to leave room for the coolant hose

the mk1 clio sensor has 2 pins, one for the warning light and one for the gauge. just hooked them up as they originally were!

the mk1 used an additional sensor for the ecu...

 

[James5_GTT]

mk1 coolant temp sensor into mk2 thermostat housing





drill through the housing and slot the sensor in. then secure it from behind with a suitable thin nut. also worthwhile using some sealing washers and silicone to stop it leaking - mines been fine up till now. careful with your placement as you will need to leave room for the coolant hose

the mk1 clio sensor has 2 pins, one for the warning light and one for the gauge. just hooked them up as they originally were!

the mk1 used an additional sensor for the ecu...

Cheers for that I was going to do the same thing but use my orginal GTT temp sender again this is a 2 wire connection and i still have the original connection in place so just be a case of drill and tapping and then extending the cable to get it fit.

I am using a standard 172 phase 1 loom so I assume that the fan should work as normal then as it would have all the above you have mentioned already in place.