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Remapped derv Golf
Off the mark the Cup should do ok but the Asbo would nail the Cup once up to big speeds. That engine should produce lots of torque being a turbo charged 5 pot and all.
Turbos.
The Focus will be a huge amount quicker, especially in gear, you can't beat that torque!
I'd never have one though, they're so ugly, as bad as the new CTR! I pass a Ford garage on the way to work and they have an orange ST there. On the way back home i was following an old white Fiesta RS Turbo with 2 chav lads and a chav girl (with huge gold earrings!!) in it. They all jumped out at the Ford garage and oggled over the ST. Nuff said!
I'd never have one though, they're so ugly, as bad as the new CTR! I pass a Ford garage on the way to work and they have an orange ST there. On the way back home i was following an old white Fiesta RS Turbo with 2 chav lads and a chav girl (with huge gold earrings!!) in it. They all jumped out at the Ford garage and oggled over the ST. Nuff said!
yup, future chav wagon for sure, once crappy residuals make it cheap as chips second hand. You cant argue with its performance though or its Sound, that 5 cylinder is sweet, almost old school audi quattro. Clio will always suffer from a fairly low torque figure, compared with everything that is Turbocharged. Plus Turbo cars with one chip and a wee re-map will give you 30-50 hp and 50-80nm of extra torque, once thats been done its game over.
Awesome cars, and i do think that the ST would kick a cup arse once moving, and over 100, its game over. Torque is what propells are car forward quicker, and ST has shed loads more than the cup. Off the mark there would be nowt in it though. The ST would torque steer like a b**ch!
Tyson.
Tyson.
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Am I the only one who thinks the car looks a little naff?? I mean, the chrome surround around the front and rear fog light recesses are just tacky, and the rear end sucks big time. Granted, a great car, brilliant engine, but I imo the car just looks like any top of the range Ford with big wheels, a modern, high rear end which speaks safety rather than style.
...it just doesnt look like its about to jump at you and rip your throat out, which a car with this performance should do!
...it just doesnt look like its about to jump at you and rip your throat out, which a car with this performance should do!
M.C..
ClioSport Club Member
Tyson-182 said:
they don't when i took one out for a test drive it seamed to have less tourque steer than my 182.
i felt faster than my 182
Clio 172 mk2
Williams025 said:
At last...I am not the only one who thinks the ST looks naff
It's Fords lame attempt to get in on the performance car market....it's nothing special, just a half decent engine garnished with tacky interior & exterior detailling....the Escort Cosworth of ten years ago was better.
Nissan 350Z
Another one who thinks it looks cack here.
And I disagree it would be a "HUGE" amount quicker than an RS Clio. The 0-60 times are virtually identical, theres only maybe a second (if that up to 100) and beyond that, who cares?
A BMW M3 is a "huge" amount quicker than a Clio, but the Focus isnt. It would creep away at high speeds, but its not going to pull away like a Veyron now is it?
At the risk of putting myself on a pedastal, I think the Clio will be more fun to drive any day of the week.
And I disagree it would be a "HUGE" amount quicker than an RS Clio. The 0-60 times are virtually identical, theres only maybe a second (if that up to 100) and beyond that, who cares?
A BMW M3 is a "huge" amount quicker than a Clio, but the Focus isnt. It would creep away at high speeds, but its not going to pull away like a Veyron now is it?
At the risk of putting myself on a pedastal, I think the Clio will be more fun to drive any day of the week.
172cup/BMW 320 coupe
had a run with an orange st and there wasnt anything in it until twistys wen i left him quite alot! and he never caught up when the straights came back!
i dont like them, they look to big and sloppy! much prefer the RSF!!
i dont like them, they look to big and sloppy! much prefer the RSF!!
MINI JCW
Tyson-182 said:
that is simply not true about torque, for example i will use the CTR against the FRS as i have the figures, so its normally aspirated against a turbo and the FRS has way more torque and an advantage of over 50lb/ft in torque/weight. BHP power to weight is pretty equal
If they both put it in top gear at 30mph the FRS will easily pull away but as long as the CTR is in the correct gear and stays in v tech mode it will stay with the FRS.
take 60-100 which is clearly through the gears:
CTR - 9.5secs
FRS - 10.1 secs
Allowing for slight variations in timing there is bugger all in it
Daz said:
1m 33.8s
just saw it here:
http://media.putfile.com/Top-gear---1362004---RenaultSport-Clio-182-Review
Clio 172 Cup
A friend of mine has bought a ST, and we've had the same argument, who is faster???!!! Suppose it also depends on how you drive the cars too!
If I do want to seriously beat him I'll just have to borrow the boyfriends Sti RA! haha.
If I do want to seriously beat him I'll just have to borrow the boyfriends Sti RA! haha.
Megane Trophy
Havent read the whole post but:
the new st is 225 bhp
0-60 the clio will be on par, 60-120 i think it would pull out a good few car lenghts with the extra 50bhp, torque!
Round a track, round the bends i think the clio has an edge, on the straights the st would pull away
but i dont think the clio would have enouhg cornering ability to overtake the ST into during and exit of bends
so in all fairness i would say the ST will beat you in every form
the new st is 225 bhp
0-60 the clio will be on par, 60-120 i think it would pull out a good few car lenghts with the extra 50bhp, torque!
Round a track, round the bends i think the clio has an edge, on the straights the st would pull away
but i dont think the clio would have enouhg cornering ability to overtake the ST into during and exit of bends
so in all fairness i would say the ST will beat you in every form
Mini Cooper S sport
MarkCup said:Anyone know what the brakes are like on them?
I know they're probably 4/6-piston calipers or something...but what are they like, braking time after time from say 130mph down to 70mph? Have any on track roadtests been published?
Regardless of that, I cannot wait until I come across one on track this year...modded or not, I'll be pushing it along all day long
I saw an orange one (which looked the nuts I must say) but he was going slooooow..boo
I've seen your driving Mark, you'd probably kill one
Weeman sucks ****
I test drove one a month or so back. It is a nice allround package but doesn't quite have that special something a petrol head craves, imo of course.
Yes the torque is massive and even though it was only about 2000 miles old it pulled in every gear very well. Sounded good too.
But, it just felt like I was being driven instead of driving it. It also felt huge and a lot to think about. Trouble is being a test drive you can't get used to it or give it real stick. I'd love to try an RS and compare the 2.
Sat back in my cup after, H&R'd to the ground and popping exhaust...and grinned my tits off. Felt like a racer which what I like.
As for fastest, one for the 'driver ability' bag. But as Dutch says, the torque will help out a lot on tracks like the 'ring.
Yes the torque is massive and even though it was only about 2000 miles old it pulled in every gear very well. Sounded good too.
But, it just felt like I was being driven instead of driving it. It also felt huge and a lot to think about. Trouble is being a test drive you can't get used to it or give it real stick. I'd love to try an RS and compare the 2.
Sat back in my cup after, H&R'd to the ground and popping exhaust...and grinned my tits off. Felt like a racer which what I like.
As for fastest, one for the 'driver ability' bag. But as Dutch says, the torque will help out a lot on tracks like the 'ring.
To bring this topic back up again... do you think the petrol consumption will be dramatically different to a Cup? I put in about £50 a week and do about 200 miles. It's not going to double or anything is it... I know it will go up and it depends how you drive it... but because its a 2.5 I don't want to be spending fortunes on petrol if I get one. Anyone know the mpg?
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from a rolling start 30-35mph me in the clio turbo an my mate in his dads company st 222 had it along the duel i got to 150 limiter and he was at least 6-7 car lenths back he got smoked hard at least he thought he had a chance thay do look a bit mean in the rear mirror
The Focus ST is definately faster in every gear. I own a 182 and have test drove the ST twice. Perofrmance is very similar to my old Subaru WRX. It probably feels faster than it actually is due to the turbo, if you have driven a turbo charged car you will know what I mean (on boost the car feels seriously quick). The ST sounds awesome and is much better build quality. On a twisty lane my 182 brings a smile to your face as much as any car would in reality.
MPG on the ST is pretty poor, don't expect any more than 25mpg unless you spend a lot of time on the motorway. Driving hard you will probably average in the region of 15mpg (same as a Subaru). I was so impressed by the Focus I have decided to have one in October (ST3 in performance Blue). The other advantage is that Bluefin will have their ECU uppgrade avaialble in a lilltle over a month which will substantially increase BHP and Torque (255bhp and 360lb torque from memory) - all that for £500. Afterall this engine has been tuned to well over 300bhp (under volvo so should also be very reliable).
MPG on the ST is pretty poor, don't expect any more than 25mpg unless you spend a lot of time on the motorway. Driving hard you will probably average in the region of 15mpg (same as a Subaru). I was so impressed by the Focus I have decided to have one in October (ST3 in performance Blue). The other advantage is that Bluefin will have their ECU uppgrade avaialble in a lilltle over a month which will substantially increase BHP and Torque (255bhp and 360lb torque from memory) - all that for £500. Afterall this engine has been tuned to well over 300bhp (under volvo so should also be very reliable).
Renault Clio 172 Ph2
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I think the ST will have it in every circumstance, exept maybe puttin a smile on your face. Did it not record the fastest wet slalom time in autocar road test recently too? And c0ck a wheel in the wet on top gear? I'd love one! In fact I'd love both, a 172 cup, stripped as a track day car with buckets, roll cage, slicks, a bit more power, and an ST with a bluefin and uprated turbo to embarass M3's and scoobys.
80MPG BEEZA
i raced the fiesta st yesterday and his was like a 55 plate and i have all my ice in the back which is like an extra person and he cudnt get away and i was right in his tailgate in 1st and 2nd gears so i dont know how the focus performs but its turbo how wud the focus st perform against k-techs 269bhp clio? and the clio's only gonna get faster?
For anyone who is interested, me and my mates tested it (private road of course)
From standing start the cup was ahead, hit 60 and it was pretty much even, litterally inches difference. Did notice that the ST started pulling ahead after that, but up to 100 it was quite even again, after that we ran out of road!
Tested the handling too, and the ST was imense, it just stuck to the road, imo the cup could do the same, but the road was a bit damp so my mate was a bit hesitiant. lol
Our test is most probably not accurate, different drivers, the cup driver being crap and the ST driver taking it easy because its a new car (their excuses)
Basically, who ever says the ST isn't quick they are wrong, i would personnally have the Cup (more fun to drive) but i would still have an FRS over both
From standing start the cup was ahead, hit 60 and it was pretty much even, litterally inches difference. Did notice that the ST started pulling ahead after that, but up to 100 it was quite even again, after that we ran out of road!
Tested the handling too, and the ST was imense, it just stuck to the road, imo the cup could do the same, but the road was a bit damp so my mate was a bit hesitiant. lol
Our test is most probably not accurate, different drivers, the cup driver being crap and the ST driver taking it easy because its a new car (their excuses)
Basically, who ever says the ST isn't quick they are wrong, i would personnally have the Cup (more fun to drive) but i would still have an FRS over both
i hate all this talk about torque helping cars on track, if your car (eg clio RS) doesnt have much talk, u just keep in on cam!
the only time torque comes into play is if u are in higher gears at low speeds. at the end of the day Torque is just a factor of Power with relation to revs, the clio may have little torque compared to the ST, but its the power that counts.
because the ST DOES have much more low end torque, it makes it more drivable and more versatile because you can keep up in higher gears, because the car is producing more power as a result of high torque in relation to lower revs. whereas the clio has to be driven much more aggressively to keep up, kept on cam at all times if poss.
i think its obvious who would win, its down to driver ability, as everyone seems to have agreed on. but id rather have an ST, even though i still love 172/182s.
the only time torque comes into play is if u are in higher gears at low speeds. at the end of the day Torque is just a factor of Power with relation to revs, the clio may have little torque compared to the ST, but its the power that counts.
because the ST DOES have much more low end torque, it makes it more drivable and more versatile because you can keep up in higher gears, because the car is producing more power as a result of high torque in relation to lower revs. whereas the clio has to be driven much more aggressively to keep up, kept on cam at all times if poss.
i think its obvious who would win, its down to driver ability, as everyone seems to have agreed on. but id rather have an ST, even though i still love 172/182s.
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