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mini-valver
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Good progress again mate!!
Good progress again mate!!
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
looking gooood... nothing better than jumping in at the deep end
looking gooood... nothing better than jumping in at the deep end
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
You've done it all before though!
Thanks mate
Aye, bit of an odd one! Just made it even more of a squeeze :S
Cheers bud. Garage needs a good tidy if you want to come round and make yourself useful
Best way to learn
Eventually yeah I think so. It'll be out for a good while yet though. Cheers
You've done it all before though!
mint
Thanks mate
Aye, bit of an odd one! Just made it even more of a squeeze :S
Cheers bud. Garage needs a good tidy if you want to come round and make yourself useful
looking gooood... nothing better than jumping in at the deep end
Best way to learn
Eventually yeah I think so. It'll be out for a good while yet though. Cheers
M
mini-valver
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Pmsl! I'll tidy your seats away, no problem
Cheers bud. Garage needs a good tidy if you want to come round and make yourself useful
Pmsl! I'll tidy your seats away, no problem
Sunflower & Golf Mk6 BMT
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Loving the detail your going into on this project and nice to see lots of pics. I hate project blogs that dont have any pics! :-(
Reading this just makes me wanna take my eninge out just for the hell of it! lol.
Must of been a hell of a squeeze without undoing the cross member, im sure those bolts will come off with some WD40 and a wack???
Loving the detail your going into on this project and nice to see lots of pics. I hate project blogs that dont have any pics! :-(
Reading this just makes me wanna take my eninge out just for the hell of it! lol.
Must of been a hell of a squeeze without undoing the cross member, im sure those bolts will come off with some WD40 and a wack???
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Yep, projects without pictures are annoying, probably why I've gone a bit OTT but not to worry.
The slam panel/cross member, erm, yeah. I don't understand it. I thought it was meant to be bolted like you say, but I came to take it off and there are no bolts at all, kind of sealed on :S. I've uploaded this pic a bit bigger than the rest to try and show what I mean. Click the banner at the top to enlarge. And yep, was a squeeze alright!
Yep, projects without pictures are annoying, probably why I've gone a bit OTT but not to worry.
The slam panel/cross member, erm, yeah. I don't understand it. I thought it was meant to be bolted like you say, but I came to take it off and there are no bolts at all, kind of sealed on :S. I've uploaded this pic a bit bigger than the rest to try and show what I mean. Click the banner at the top to enlarge. And yep, was a squeeze alright!
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mini-valver
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Looks like its been cut at some point mate?
Looks like its been cut at some point mate?
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mini-valver
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Along the bottom edge looks abit ragged? Maybe its my eyes, lol.
Along the bottom edge looks abit ragged? Maybe its my eyes, lol.
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mini-valver
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Its a really wavy/hacked looking line mate, lol.....
Its a really wavy/hacked looking line mate, lol.....
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
I fear you're right Hudson
2 rivets to hold the VIN plate on? :S
Front end bump at some point then? And repaired with possibly the wrong panel from a different/newer model? No idea :S. It's one piece from the inner wing right over to the other side, and meets the uprights inwards of the lights.
Doh.
I fear you're right Hudson
2 rivets to hold the VIN plate on? :S
Front end bump at some point then? And repaired with possibly the wrong panel from a different/newer model? No idea :S. It's one piece from the inner wing right over to the other side, and meets the uprights inwards of the lights.
Doh.
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mini-valver
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Sand the middle of the roof down, lol.
Probably had a front end bump mate then had a full front valance welded on. Would'nt worry!
Sand the middle of the roof down, lol.
Probably had a front end bump mate then had a full front valance welded on. Would'nt worry!
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mini-valver
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Lol, more than likely
Lol, more than likely
ValverInBits
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
yeah, whiteley thats had a bit of a smash up.
The cross member has the rad bolted to the bottom of it and then the cross member is bolted to the main chassis with 2 bolts either side.
You can see the bolt holes on your cross member with no threaded hole on the chassis behind. Looks like the front end has had a fair amount of work done at some point.
bargains eh, who'd have em I'm just surpirsed you managed to get the rad out. I normally leave the rad and fan attached to the cross member and lift out the top.
edit: Just found these two pics of f0xys thread that show it perfectly.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/f0xy_2006/--%20The%20MK1/IMG_0029.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/f0xy_2006/-- The MK1/IMG_0031.jpg
yeah, whiteley thats had a bit of a smash up.
The cross member has the rad bolted to the bottom of it and then the cross member is bolted to the main chassis with 2 bolts either side.
You can see the bolt holes on your cross member with no threaded hole on the chassis behind. Looks like the front end has had a fair amount of work done at some point.
bargains eh, who'd have em
I'm just surpirsed you managed to get the rad out. I normally leave the rad and fan attached to the cross member and lift out the top.edit: Just found these two pics of f0xys thread that show it perfectly.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/f0xy_2006/--%20The%20MK1/IMG_0029.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/f0xy_2006/-- The MK1/IMG_0031.jpg
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TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
With reference to the bolt on slam panel, does anyone know if just valvers and willy's have the bolt on one, as looking at pics i've found on the net for chris, it seems the replacement panel comes as a complete front end and not as bolt on bit. What i'm trying to get at is, if, for whatever reason, the front end has had damage, minor or major, it should be replaced with the full panel. and as long as it's been done properly, can't see it being a problem apart from being a tight squeeze!
With reference to the bolt on slam panel, does anyone know if just valvers and willy's have the bolt on one, as looking at pics i've found on the net for chris, it seems the replacement panel comes as a complete front end and not as bolt on bit. What i'm trying to get at is, if, for whatever reason, the front end has had damage, minor or major, it should be replaced with the full panel. and as long as it's been done properly, can't see it being a problem apart from being a tight squeeze!
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mini-valver
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
As above. It's been repaired properly! Who cares if its had a smash, if it drives straight and everything is present and correct, sorted. STill a bargain mate and it'll be awesome when it's finished
As above. It's been repaired properly! Who cares if its had a smash, if it drives straight and everything is present and correct, sorted. STill a bargain mate and it'll be awesome when it's finished
TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
I thought it was alright when i looked at it with Chris, I'll have a better look next time i'm round helping him.
I'm quite sure my old valver was the same as that, but can't be sure, however i do remember the rough edge bit, the same as Chris'!
It'll be fine, It's also a trackcar, which may get a few more scrapes on it yet!
As above. It's been repaired properly! Who cares if its had a smash, if it drives straight and everything is present and correct, sorted. STill a bargain mate and it'll be awesome when it's finished
I thought it was alright when i looked at it with Chris, I'll have a better look next time i'm round helping him.
I'm quite sure my old valver was the same as that, but can't be sure, however i do remember the rough edge bit, the same as Chris'!
It'll be fine, It's also a trackcar, which may get a few more scrapes on it yet!
TVR Cerbera
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Right stop chatting and hitting the wildlife, and get on with the valver! lol :rasp:
Right stop chatting and hitting the wildlife, and get on with the valver! lol :rasp:
Sunflower & Golf Mk6 BMT
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Think all valvers and willys come with bolt on cross members. Mine just unbolted and was able to wip rad out in no time.
As others have said it looks like a 'proper' repair job and as long as it drives straight it dont matter. Did you HPI check it? might be worth finding out some history?
Think all valvers and willys come with bolt on cross members. Mine just unbolted and was able to wip rad out in no time.
As others have said it looks like a 'proper' repair job and as long as it drives straight it dont matter. Did you HPI check it? might be worth finding out some history?
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Cheers guys
Had a little bit more time on it after work tonight, but not a great deal more to report. Had a major lack of time this week as I've been getting plenty of overtime in to pay for the thing, and then being nackered and falling asleep when I get home!
Started tidying up the inside a little, clearing out the huge amounts of rubbish and offcuts which had built up in the foot wells. Then i carried on with a bit more of the tar sound deadening in the n/s footwell. Horrible stuff but it seems to clean up easily enough with plenty of white spirit.
My sparco seat sidemounts also turned up earlier in the week from 'Tweeks, so I got a pair of those bolted on and positioned it loosely in the car this evening. Love it! Being nearly 6'4 i never thought I'd struggle to see over a steering wheel again!
I need to get hold of some steel to mount the sidemounts to now. Soon!
Chris
Cheers guys
Had a little bit more time on it after work tonight, but not a great deal more to report. Had a major lack of time this week as I've been getting plenty of overtime in to pay for the thing, and then being nackered and falling asleep when I get home!
Started tidying up the inside a little, clearing out the huge amounts of rubbish and offcuts which had built up in the foot wells. Then i carried on with a bit more of the tar sound deadening in the n/s footwell. Horrible stuff but it seems to clean up easily enough with plenty of white spirit.
My sparco seat sidemounts also turned up earlier in the week from 'Tweeks, so I got a pair of those bolted on and positioned it loosely in the car this evening. Love it! Being nearly 6'4 i never thought I'd struggle to see over a steering wheel again!
I need to get hold of some steel to mount the sidemounts to now. Soon!
Chris
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Ive been flat out with work over the past few weeks, so had very little time to get much done on the car and get this updated. Managed a few hours during the week so I thought I ought to update and keep this thread alive.
Now that my engine was out, I set about dropping the subframe. Several reasons for this. Firstly now was going to be as good a time as any with no engine in the way. Secondly I want to give it and the engine bay a good clean and more than likely paint the bay. Thirdly because I plan on running a Williams/19 16v Widetrack setup at the front, and this includes changing the wishbones and ARB, both of which will be easier off the car. If I can get hold of an ARB and a pair of 'bones then I can build from the ground upwards rather than put it back together with old 16v parts and change it later on. Lastly, because I want to get rid of the power assisted steering.
Removing it consists of undoing 6 bolts, 2 front, 2 rear and 1 at each side holding the 'arms' on. 5 came out without a problem, however one of the rear bolts uses a supposed captive nut, and unsuprisingly this wasnt as captive as it should be, and started turning. So I prised the captive part of things out the way and managed to get a spanner on instead. It then came out fine and the subframe was on the floor once I'd taken the brakes off and undone the bolts which hold the struts to the hub.
I'd decided quite a while back that I wanted to get rid of the PAS and had been looking into the different ways of going about it. It turned out the manual rack and column from a 1.2 or similar needs well over 4 turns to go from lock to lock. Standard 16v rack is bang on 3 turns and I believe the Williams rack is slightly less. My 182 is also somewhere around 3. So having ruled that out I needed to decide on a different method. Some run the standard rack all sealed off and dry, but following a joint decision between Daz (my assistant :clown and I we decided to run it sealed and lubricated.
We first removed all the existing PAS pipework to see what we were left with
On his Cup, Daz has basically made a loop pipe out of one of the existing pipes to go between the 2 ports on the rack, so we set about doing the same to this one.
Pipe bending, very complicated task lol
The 'finished' loop. It remains to be seen whether it's going to be in the way of the gear linkage when everything goes back together, but if there's a problem then it can be moved/bent out the way. Will be 'reet!
Filled with fluid:
I also sealed off the 4 ports by the column joint but didnt picture it.
And there we (hopefully) have one finished manual rack!
Had a quick rearrange/tidy up of the garage as it was a bit of a state and shifted the engine over
A few random parts have arrived too
Subframeless car with the strut brace layed ontop
That's all for now, will try my best to get some more work done but lack of time as usual. 7 day week ftl!
Decat on its way for the 182 too
Chris
Ive been flat out with work over the past few weeks, so had very little time to get much done on the car and get this updated. Managed a few hours during the week so I thought I ought to update and keep this thread alive.
Now that my engine was out, I set about dropping the subframe. Several reasons for this. Firstly now was going to be as good a time as any with no engine in the way. Secondly I want to give it and the engine bay a good clean and more than likely paint the bay. Thirdly because I plan on running a Williams/19 16v Widetrack setup at the front, and this includes changing the wishbones and ARB, both of which will be easier off the car. If I can get hold of an ARB and a pair of 'bones then I can build from the ground upwards rather than put it back together with old 16v parts and change it later on. Lastly, because I want to get rid of the power assisted steering.
Removing it consists of undoing 6 bolts, 2 front, 2 rear and 1 at each side holding the 'arms' on. 5 came out without a problem, however one of the rear bolts uses a supposed captive nut, and unsuprisingly this wasnt as captive as it should be, and started turning. So I prised the captive part of things out the way and managed to get a spanner on instead. It then came out fine and the subframe was on the floor once I'd taken the brakes off and undone the bolts which hold the struts to the hub.
I'd decided quite a while back that I wanted to get rid of the PAS and had been looking into the different ways of going about it. It turned out the manual rack and column from a 1.2 or similar needs well over 4 turns to go from lock to lock. Standard 16v rack is bang on 3 turns and I believe the Williams rack is slightly less. My 182 is also somewhere around 3. So having ruled that out I needed to decide on a different method. Some run the standard rack all sealed off and dry, but following a joint decision between Daz (my assistant :clown
and I we decided to run it sealed and lubricated.We first removed all the existing PAS pipework to see what we were left with
On his Cup, Daz has basically made a loop pipe out of one of the existing pipes to go between the 2 ports on the rack, so we set about doing the same to this one.
Pipe bending, very complicated task lol
The 'finished' loop. It remains to be seen whether it's going to be in the way of the gear linkage when everything goes back together, but if there's a problem then it can be moved/bent out the way. Will be 'reet!
Filled with fluid:
I also sealed off the 4 ports by the column joint but didnt picture it.
And there we (hopefully) have one finished manual rack!
Had a quick rearrange/tidy up of the garage as it was a bit of a state and shifted the engine over
A few random parts have arrived too
Subframeless car with the strut brace layed ontop
That's all for now, will try my best to get some more work done but lack of time as usual. 7 day week ftl!
Decat on its way for the 182 too
Chris
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
Re: Valver Track Car Project Thread
Just a note about manual steering.
I was talking to a guy about removing the power steering on my Hybrid and they strongly advised against it, saying that if you start tank slapping at 80mph, a car with PAS will be a lot easier to control than a car without. The car without needing arms like incredible hulk to control it should it all go a bit wrong. Also with no PAS, the 'snatch' will be very violent, possibly breaking your thumbs! lol!
I'm no mechanic nor a driving guru, but just my 2p's worth.
Just a note about manual steering.
I was talking to a guy about removing the power steering on my Hybrid and they strongly advised against it, saying that if you start tank slapping at 80mph, a car with PAS will be a lot easier to control than a car without. The car without needing arms like incredible hulk to control it should it all go a bit wrong. Also with no PAS, the 'snatch' will be very violent, possibly breaking your thumbs! lol!
I'm no mechanic nor a driving guru, but just my 2p's worth.
