200bhp in a 172?

[Filters]

It's an easy enough target I think
I was just wondering if anyone knew of what else I could do to get an extra 4-6bhp out of the engine to bring her up to the 200+ mark without spending mega bucks.

Currently mapped and RR'd to 196bhp with the following mods
K-Tec induction kit and cone filter.
Matched inlet manifold.
Stealth cat back system.
piper cam 270 kit.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Cheers

 

[cs_dave]

A friendly rr can give you that

 

[George182]

Mapped at Ktec yar?

From my limited reading on here to get 200bhp you need cams + throttle bodies or an Rs2 inlet.

 

[Knuckles]

ktecs rr can give you that

get some throttle bodies

 

[underdog]

that good power. where did you have the rolling road too.?

 

[Martin J]

why do you want 4-6 bhp or whatever is it for bragging rights to your mates and others(ooh look my cars got 200 rather than saying ooh mate shes 196)... as 4-6 horses you will not even notice them..

 

[leeds_182]

I wonder what mine would make on those rollers.

 

[Filters]

Mapped at Ktec yar?

From my limited reading on here to get 200bhp you need cams + throttle bodies or an Rs2 inlet.

that good power. where did you have the rolling road too.?

519 automotive. But lets not turn this thread in to a ktec bash session maybe?

 

[Filters]

why do you want 4-6 bhp or whatever is it for bragging rights to your mates and others(ooh look my cars got 200 rather than saying ooh mate shes 196)... as 4-6 horses you will not even notice them..

More my target that i had in mind when buying the car.
If its bragging rights I'm after i just get the bike out.

 

[cs_dave]

I wonder what mine would make on those rollers.

150bhp :cheers:

 

[leeds_182]

150bhp :cheers:

Probably!

 

[realnumber 1]

Lol

 

[Mar172]

519 automotive. But lets not turn this thread in to a ktec bash session maybe?

I didn't no he had his rollers running at the mow ?

 

[Mr Plums]

Lol, love tuner bashing wars

 

[Filters]

I didn't no he had his rollers running at the mow ?

I'm not sure if he does at the mo tbh but he did back in July.

 

[SharkyUK]

Sadly I don't think a genuine 200bhp is possible unless you're prepared to dig fairly deep into the pockets mate. They aren't the easiest engine to wring power from on a budget.

EDIT: Dan's had rollers a while but he's currently in the middle of a move / build for his custom dyno room setup. He should be back up and running soon I expect.

 

[Chi]

More air in tyres

 

[cs_dave]

From what I've seen all rollers vary just go with biggest numbers!

 

[tom172cup]

I'm not sure if he does at the mo tbh but he did back in July.

He has a rolling road now will be finished early jan iirc
have a search for other threads with people with. 200hp you will need more mods than what you currently have

 

[cs_dave]

More air in tyres

Sun strip +7hp

 

[Filters]

Sadly I don't think a genuine 200bhp is possible unless you're prepared to dig fairly deep into the pockets mate. They aren't the easiest engine to wring power from on a budget.

EDIT: Dan's had rollers a while but he's currently in the middle of a move / build for his custom dyno room setup. He should be back up and running soon I expect.

Hmm that's what I thought Sharky. Just wondered if it was actually realistic and obtainable without going down the route of having head work done or throttle bodies fixed on.

 

[Filters]

He has a rolling road now will be finished early jan iirc
have a search for other threads with people with. 200hp you will need more mods than what you currently have

Cheers Tom I'll have a nose about.

 

[SharkyUK]

To be honest mate... if you've got a car that's already in the 190's then I wouldn't be too worried. You've effectively already got one of the more powerful Clios out there as, even with mod's, not many make that sort of power unless spending big.

To take you to reliable 200bhp with your current setup, you'd probably need to look towards the RS2 Inlet or ITB's; and you're instantly talking mucho moolah.

 

[Filters]

To be honest mate... if you've got a car that's already in the 190's then I wouldn't be too worried. You've effectively already got one of the more powerful Clios out there as, even with mod's, not many make that sort of power unless spending big.

To take you to reliable 200bhp with your current setup, you'd probably need to look towards the RS2 Inlet or ITB's; and you're instantly talking mucho moolah.

I'm not worried sharky old boy, just a glutten for power.
The previous owner spent some ££££££ on the whole car in general going through the service history and receipts so I haven't had to spend much myself yet at all.

Bikes up for sale now so will have some money to throw at it then.

 

[VikkiB]

Danlp6's clio made 200, with an RS2 inlet, 197 cams, and a rather high rev limit. Something like 7900 I think!!

 

[MicKPM]

I've currently got 196hp from Catcam 421's, RS2, PMS race system and a remap by RS Tuning.

I'm planning on running extensions to increase the torque output but even these i feel won't push the peak (on a standard bottom end and valve train) past the magical 200 you seek... deffo need Jenvey 48's for that I'd say.

 

[MartinR]

Danlp6's clio made 200, with an RS2 inlet, 197 cams, and a rather high rev limit. Something like 7900 I think!!

What RR was that on?

 

[VikkiB]

His local one, TSR. He's taken a few 172's there before and they're generally on the money. Dazrt's made 173 (ph1, ktr IK, decat, ktr stealth and RSTuner map)

 

[Daz.]

Just chuck a snail on it!

 

[Chip-mk1]

What RR was that on?

As Vikki says, that was at TSR who are VW specilialists mainly down in somerset, they didnt map the car though, I did, so I dont think they would have any reason to give him a misreading, I was quite surprised it was that high initially as well but when you look at the point it makes peak power (right up at nearly 8Krpm) its not so surprising that it pulls a big number as you only need to have just over 130lbft still at that point to make 200bhp.

An identical spec engine mapped by Mike from MWM went on Surrey Rolling Road a week or so later and made 200.1 bhp as well.


So I think that its safe to say that 197 cams and RS2 is capable of 200bhp on a good engine, but the downside of it is you really have to rev the thing compared to 172 cams and an RS2, its literally only above about 7200rpm that the 197 cams are better, so although it makes the higher peak figure, you really have to work to use it.

If your car drives nicely as it is, I wouldnt worry too much about exact figures, just get on track and enjoy it

 

[Goodj]

I'm just a glutten for power.

In a small hatchback?

You're doing it wrong.

 

[renty]

why do you want 4-6 bhp or whatever is it for bragging rights to your mates and others(ooh look my cars got 200 rather than saying ooh mate shes 196)... as 4-6 horses you will not even notice them..

Why are so many people negative on here you dont get this attitude on previous forums iv been on it was a simple question to see if he could find a few more horses cheaply there is nothing wrong with that

 

[Chip-mk1]

Why are so many people negative on here you dont get this attitude on previous forums iv been on it was a simple question to see if he could find a few more horses cheaply there is nothing wrong with that

I think its because a lot of us have had much faster cars and then come down to clios as they are such fun little hot hatches and we dont want to see people wasting loads of money chasing a couple of bhp that wont make any real difference.
He's already done the cheap and relatively effective mods (cams) so to make a real difference now, he is going to need to spend the value of the car all over again on an RS2 or ITBs

 

[Gally]

It's an easy enough target I think
I was just wondering if anyone knew of what else I could do to get an extra 4-6bhp out of the engine to bring her up to the 200+ mark without spending mega bucks.

Currently mapped and RR'd to 196bhp with the following mods
K-Tec induction kit and cone filter.
Matched inlet manifold.
Stealth cat back system.
piper cam 270 kit.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Cheers

You don't have 196 with those mods mate. I'm sorry to tell you but over 30bhp from mods in a Clio is no easy feat.

Forget about chasing numbers and improve drivability if you wish, or got to Ktec's RR and get a print out for 200bhp. Easily done.

 

[Snake182]

Why are so many people negative on here you dont get this attitude on previous forums iv been on it was a simple question to see if he could find a few more horses cheaply there is nothing wrong with that

I wouldn't take it personally mate , with so many different opinions on a forum its to be expected. I enjoy working on my car and I do tend to chase bhp figures, but that's because its kind of fun and I like my cars to be the best they can be without going overboard on spending, and generally the driveability is so improved, im currently matching my inlets as we speak (to the head not the gaskets) lol.

 

[MicKPM]

Its not really a negative attitude renty its a realistic opinion. The cost is something that anyone who modifies a vehicle should be prepared to write-off really but what they're saying is that for the money the extra power will not be noticeable.

Me and Nick172 had a similar conversation recently about the cost of aftermarket cams vs noticeable gains with a standard length RS2 (as i'd just added a set of 421's to mine) which made about 4hp more over his equiv vehicle on an RS2 with cheaper extension units but on the standard cam profile. If I hadn't of got the cams cheap and been able to do the work myself it would have been a lot of money for very little gain when spending a similar amount of cash fitting a turbo would've achieved better results on the dyno/road.

They're not saying DON'T spend it, more like spend it wisely... my take on it at least.

 

[renty]

I think its because a lot of us have had much faster cars and then come down to clios as they are such fun little hot hatches and we dont want to see people wasting loads of money chasing a couple of bhp that wont make any real difference.
He's already done the cheap and relatively effective mods (cams) so to make a real difference now, he is going to need to spend the value of the car all over again on an RS2 or ITBs

Yeh your maybe right bud
Had impreza in past pushing a reliable 300hp am really impressed with the clios performance but will still be tinkering with it to improve power and handling

 

[Chip-mk1]

Turbo is undoubtedly the way to go for a significant amount more power, but it then tempts you into getting carried away and before you know it you are 10K in!

 

[Snake182]

You don't have 196 with those mods mate. I'm sorry to tell you but over 30bhp from mods in a Clio is no easy feat.

Forget about chasing numbers and improve drivability if you wish, or got to Ktec's RR and get a print out for 200bhp. Easily done.

The 182's are just as hard to get over 200bhp even thought they should have a higher initial output than the 172's (supposedly). I had my 182 RR'd at 172bhp/153fltbs so no wonder...its hard enough to get them above the 182 they should have lmao.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yeh your maybe right bud
Had impreza in past pushing a reliable 300hp am really impressed with the clios performance but will still be tinkering with it to improve power and handling

Handling is what these cars do best, the first place to start is to get your car (not slagging your specific one off, Ive never seen it, but based on what MOST of them are like) back to as it should be as standard by replacing all the steering joints and bushes etc, as they really are an amazingly pinsharp handling car for what they are if they are in good condition in that respect.

Then some decent suspension will have you happily matching your imprezza through the bends on a fraction of the budget of tyres/fuel/clutches etc so they make great trackday cars while still being a pleasant and quite refined road car.