Advise on aux belt/cambelt and future 428 cams

[matt911]

My 55 182 is on 54k miles. Just found out its never had a belt replaced and ive just noticed a belt squeal at cold start for a min. Then fine.

The dephaser isnt rattling yet, and i want some 428 cams.

Question is, is it worth replacing aux belt now? As later this year i want to buy some 428 cams along with the dephaser change, belts etc.

 

[Mar172]

They are well overdue I would do the pair now .

 

[Addicted]

Belt squeal at the start is aux belt and apparently a common/normal thing when I asked about it, aside from that, I'd get them done just to be safe.

 

[172Ben]

Isn't it nearly due for its second cam belt change?

As above, needs doing now!

 

[matt911]

Im still in saving mode. Dont make me panic you reckon its gonna hold up for another 6 months?..

 

[Fletcher]

I would change the belts ASAP.

 

[Fletcher]

Im still in saving mode. Dont make me panic you reckon its gonna hold up for another 6 months?..

It might hold on for another 12 months /30k, or it may snap tomorrow.

 

[matt911]

Isn't it nearly due for its second cam belt change?

As above, needs doing now!

AUX belt is due 36k then 72k so not far from 2nd. LoL

 

[172Ben]

Has it had a cambelt before?

 

[matt911]

Still original belts. According to Renault records and my history.

 

[JackD]

Oh dear. Has it got oil in the engine?

 

[172Ben]

I'd be booking it in tomorrow then

 

[Mar172]

Im still in saving mode. Dont make me panic you reckon its gonna hold up for another 6 months?..

I would not be playing Russian roulette if it was my car I would have the changed .

 

[matt911]

Oh dear. Has it got oil in the engine?

Silkolene pro s bro. The best

 

[Nick172Cup]

Jesus, that's nearly due its second cambelt and would be past its third aux belt change... YOU NEED TO GET THAT SORTED ASAP. Don't waste your money on 428 cams either as they really aren't a great cam given the others on the market. Don't scrimp on not getting a dephaser pulley fitted whilst getting the cambelt done either, as it'll only start rattling once you've changed the belts...

If you don't take this advice, i'll offer you £500 when the belt shreds itself and takes the engine with it.

Nick

 

[JackD]

At least the engine will be in good condition when it blows up

 

[matt911]

What you on about Nick, the cambelt isnt due till 72k correct me if im wrong. Looking here http://www.k-tecracing.com/service_grid.asp?appid=2&model=Petrol models. K tec's service schedule

 

[matt911]

Its gone past 1 cambelt change due to age thats all no?

 

[Mar172]

72k or 5 years

 

[matt911]

Whats better than 428's these days?

 

[Fletcher]

Whats better than 428's these days?

421's with aftermarket ECU or 438's standard ECU.

 

[matt911]

Yeah Fletcher i already know but ive got to fork out for quite alot....Adding a new ECU aswell your talking stupid money

And by the sounds of it i dont have much time.

 

[Fletcher]

Yeah Fletcher i already know but ive got to fork out for quite alot....Adding a new ECU aswell your talking stupid money

And by the sounds of it i dont have much time.

Go for 438's then.

 

[R-Sport.]

Make sure you get the full aux belt kit- not just the belt. The tensioners are prone to seizing up-

So budget around £600 with dephaser & then cams on top if req.

S

 

[Nick172Cup]

What you on about Nick, the cambelt isnt due till 72k correct me if im wrong. Looking here http://www.k-tecracing.com/service_grid.asp?appid=2&model=Petrol models. K tec's service schedule

Yes I will correct you. If you believe a K-Tec service schedule then you're even more stupid than I thought.

Everything you needed to know in this thread regarding servicing is in the service book Renault give you with the car. It amazes me people rarely read these things...

 

[matt911]

Make sure you get the full aux belt kit- not just the belt. The tensioners are prone to seizing up-

So budget around £600 with dephaser & then cams on top if req.

S

£600? Thats better than i hoped for. I hope BTM will be a good price.

 

[R-Sport.]

IIRC BTM were doing a Camblet + Cam package for around 1k.

S

 

[Gray]

421's with aftermarket ECU or 438's standard ECU.

You don't need an aftermarket ECU for 421's. Essentially 438's are the same as 421's just timed differently.

If you raise the idle by a couple of 100rpm 421's idle and run fine on OEM management (obviously with a remap to suit).

 

[matt911]

Cheers mate.

And Nick sorry for insulting your intelligence .

 

[Gray]

matt911

Timing belt is 72k miles or 5yrs.

Aux belt kit is 36k or 3yrs.

Those figures are the limit. I've seen aux belts / tensioners fail before that time.

Get the belts replaced ASAP, you are driving a ticking bomb....

 

[matt911]

@matt911

Timing belt is 72k miles or 5yrs.

Aux belt kit is 36k or 3yrs.

Those figures are the limit. I've seen aux belts / tensioners fail before that time.

Get the belts replaced ASAP, you are driving a ticking bomb....

I know its only just hit me today infact. Kind of shitting it tbh. :quiet:

 

[The Russian.]

matt911

Timing belt is 72k miles or 5yrs.

Aux belt kit is 36k or 3yrs.

Those figures are the limit. I've seen aux belts / tensioners fail before that time.

Get the belts replaced ASAP, you are driving a ticking bomb....

Well said sweet Cheeks.

 

[Fletcher]

You don't need an aftermarket ECU for 421's. Essentially 438's are the same as 421's just timed differently.

If you raise the idle by a couple of 100rpm 421's idle and run fine on OEM management (obviously with a remap to suit).

I know a few people that have run 421's with the standard ECU, but I personally wouldn't.

 

[klm182]

Jesus, that's nearly due its second cambelt and would be past its third aux belt change... YOU NEED TO GET THAT SORTED ASAP. Don't waste your money on 428 cams either as they really aren't a great cam given the others on the market. Don't scrimp on not getting a dephaser pulley fitted whilst getting the cambelt done either, as it'll only start rattling once you've changed the belts...

If you don't take this advice, i'll offer you £500 when the belt shreds itself and takes the engine with it.

Nick

take nicks advice... the mileage is not the problem.. its how old the belt is..(9 years, plus how long the belt was manufactured ,before it went on the car).could be 10 years old... if you get it done ,its done for 36000 miles/ 5 years.. if your going to keep the car ,its not a waste.. I know its a rip off.. ..

 

[Mar172]

I have 438's with the idle at 1k plus remap and it's fine.

 

[matt911]

You don't need an aftermarket ECU for 421's. Essentially 438's are the same as 421's just timed differently.

If you raise the idle by a couple of 100rpm 421's idle and run fine on OEM management (obviously with a remap to suit).

What about using with stock pistons and springs? Stop teasing me with things i cannot buy. :banghead:

 

[Simon_16v]

You don't need to change pistons or springs for the cams. He is saying the cam profile is the same, it's just how it is timed up according to the TDC (top dead centre) of the piston as to how it's power characteristics will be.

 

[klm182]

£600? Thats better than i hoped for. I hope BTM will be a good price.

look on the traders section on here under west Renault.. he has put a price list up on all the belts.. .then maybe ask birchdown how much to fit them

 

[Gray]

look on the traders section on here under west Renault.. he has put a price list up on all the belts.. .then maybe ask birchdown how much to fit them

Another stupid comment.

Any decent garage wouldn't possibly fit parts you have supplied and warrant them.

It wouldn't be any cheaper you buying the parts and a specialist fitting them.

 

[matt911]

Another stupid comment.

Any decent garage wouldn't possibly fit parts you have supplied and warrant them.

It wouldn't be any cheaper you buying the parts and a specialist fitting them.

I wasnt going to