BIGASH/FF-Racing X85 Clio Cup Racer Project

[BIGASH]

No unfortunately not, the valve works by adjusting the pressure depending on how much brake force is applied so at 200psi it will send all of it to each corner but then as that increases it then reduces the pressure to the rears. If you fit a second one the pressure out of the first would be 200psi so the second one wouldn't reduce as it would think the pedal wasn't been pressed hard

I hope thats understandable lol

 

[Ed.innit]

Yea understood...

But I meant 2 of the lever type adjusters, rather than your fancy pressure adjusting item

 

[BIGASH]

Not too sure about the lever type but it wouldn't meet my OCD requirements having two

 

[Tony Hunter]

The only real decent way to do this, is to go go down the pedal box route.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yeah pedal box is the way to go, you can vary the cylinder sizes front to rear then, as well as adjusting the pivot point of the balance bar.

Ive got a dial in my mk1 so I can adjust the pedal box while im drivingif it feels a bit too much or too little to the rear, Are you allowed that in your series though?

 

[BIGASH]

Yes Tony you are right but by the time you buy something and re fab it to fit around the steering column its just not feasible for bias adjustment Nice though!

 

[BIGASH]

Yeah pedal box is the way to go, you can vary the cylinder sizes front to rear then, as well as adjusting the pivot point of the balance bar.

Ive got a dial in my mk1 so I can adjust the pedal box while im drivingif it feels a bit too much or too little to the rear, Are you allowed that in your series though?

We are allowed the adjuster in car as long as on the min setting it still allows 25% braking force to the rear (So no in a clio)

PS out of interest which pedal box have you fitted to the mk1 Chip ?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Mine is a cheap and nasty compbrake one that I inherited, TBH its not what I would buy if starting from scratch, works ok but at some point I will probably swap up to a tilton or similar.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Just stick a knob on the dash like we had in the Rally car. Who going to know what it is.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Just stick a knob on the dash like we had in the Rally car. Who going to know what it is.

Lol! No one will know until they get beaten and start crying about being beaten! That's when the fun starts and they look closely at your car for eligibility.

 

[Chip-mk1]

This is the sort of thing I would like to swap to later on, and that I will no doubt be going for in my mini I'm building once Ive finished messing around with clios and novas.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Produ...Balance Bars&gclid=CLD7zfmAx7MCFcrItAodpzQANg

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

I like what your doing James but having had friends get cars dipped and find out there are a load more issues then they bargained for I wouldn't personally go down that route. Good friend had his 'solid shell' Golf Rallye dipped........lets just say it wasn't referred to as solid afterwards.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I like what your doing James but having had friends get cars dipped and find out there are a load more issues then they bargained for I wouldn't personally go down that route. Good friend had his 'solid shell' Golf Rallye dipped........lets just say it wasn't referred to as solid afterwards.

The problem there though wasnt the dipping, it was that he was living in ignorance before.
If James wants to build his car properly, dipping wont cause any problems, it might just show him a few he already has but doesnt know about currently.

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

I know alot of people with similar stories Chip. I appreciate the Clio is a newer car than alot of the VW's that friends/aquaintances have had dipped but still its alot of outlay and can open up more issues.

 

[BIGASH]

This is the sort of thing I would like to swap to later on, and that I will no doubt be going for in my mini I'm building once Ive finished messing around with clios and novas.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Produ...Balance Bars&gclid=CLD7zfmAx7MCFcrItAodpzQANg

Had a look at that one the other week, for me to keep the pedals far enough away from me I need to go for an underslung one and then I struggle for clearance with my new PAS system ! Hopefully my new setup will be perfect

I like what your doing James but having had friends get cars dipped and find out there are a load more issues then they bargained for I wouldn't personally go down that route. Good friend had his 'solid shell' Golf Rallye dipped........lets just say it wasn't referred to as solid afterwards.

Yes I have heard a few horror stories, rust on the underside is the only bit that is worrying me but hopefully it shouldn't be too bad!

The problem there though wasnt the dipping, it was that he was living in ignorance before.
If James wants to build his car properly, dipping wont cause any problems, it might just show him a few he already has but doesnt know about currently.

Hopefully no nasty surprises, I am 99.9% sure its never had any paint/damage on the shell so rust is the only concern

I know alot of people with similar stories Chip. I appreciate the Clio is a newer car than alot of the VW's that friends/aquaintances have had dipped but still its alot of outlay and can open up more issues.

I'm still not 100% but I really would like to however i'm not going to rush into it until i've weighed up all the pro's and con's

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

If you've got a list (which I'm sure you have) is it an 'essential' item to get it dipped or can the money be better spent elsewhere? That's what I'd look at.

 

[BIGASH]

Yes I have got a list Andy, It's not essential but at some point I want to do it and I am hoping I never have to have the car stripped down as much as it is now so it makes sense to me to do the difficult jobs now and then do other 'bolt on' items on my 'to-do' list when I can afford to

 

[Chip-mk1]

Had a look at that one the other week, for me to keep the pedals far enough away from me I need to go for an underslung one and then I struggle for clearance with my new PAS system ! Hopefully my new setup will be perfect

Its not too much drama to cut out the bulkhead slightly so that the back end of it pokes into the bay, or just move your seat a little further back which will probably help with weight distribution anyway.

 

[BIGASH]

I think the only way for me to work it out is to buy one and then try and I can't risk spending that much and then not getting it to work! Also would have to sort hydraulic clutch issue

My seat is already against the rear seat squab lol!

 

[Chip-mk1]

I think the only way for me to work it out is to buy one and then try and I can't risk spending that much and then not getting it to work! Also would have to sort hydraulic clutch issue

My seat is already against the rear seat squab lol!

You can buy pedal boxes for either cable or hydraulic clutch, my current one uses cable, but I will have to convert it to hydraulic (or buy a different one) when I go to the honda gearbox as that is hydraulic.

 

[BIGASH]

Yeah I could only find OPB and Compbrake that do cable ones. Ahh I forgot the mk1 is getting a different engine

 

[mark123]

How much weight do you reckon dipping will save James?

 

[Andrewclio]

This is bias setup I've got in my car

Really simple, not sure if your allowed this in the tin tops as I'm sure I read somewhere that it has to be out of drivers reach

 

[chrispy.clio]

I remember the last shell to get dipped on here, that was the start of the end.

Yeah i know!!! I wander where that shell went!

Ash do you have a wife, better run the dipping past her first!

 

[BIGASH]

How much weight do you reckon dipping will save James?

Some people have said 20kg's and other have said 40kg's I'm not too sure but any weight saving will help

This is bias setup I've got in my car

Really simple, not sure if your allowed this in the tin tops as I'm sure I read somewhere that it has to be out of drivers reach

Looks very complex/expensive lol! Yes we do

Ash do you have a wife, better run the dipping past her first!

Not yet Chris Haha I don't tell my girlfriend anything about the car she has zero interest!

 

[Jonny1*2]

Yeah i know!!! I wander where that shell went!

Ash do you have a wife, better run the dipping past her first!

Chris sold it to a lad on here. It was primed and welded ready to use. Such a waste tbh

 

[Kenny.s]

What type of bias valve are you thinking of using James? I had thought about this but probably just going to go with the std cup bias valve for now.

 

[Kenny.s]

Is the shell being dipped in some sort of primer afterwards?

 

[BIGASH]

It's a tillet screw type proportioning valve, if you aren't in a rush then hold off and I will let you know if it works or not in March which is when the first shakedown test will be

 

[BIGASH]

Is the shell being dipped in some sort of primer afterwards?

Nope not going to E-coat it, there is enough access into the box sections on the car to seal them so just going to paint the whole shell

 

[Tony Hunter]

It will start to rust about 2hrs after it's been done, get it home quick.

 

[BIGASH]

Yes I was expecting it too lol! Knowing my luck it will rain on the way home. It sounded like they put a liquid on that helps for a couple of days but I will go down to collect the shell on the morning and get it straight to the bodyshop and in the oven that day

 

[Jonny1*2]

They can coat it in anti corrosion stuff first. That's what they did with my block. Can you not get it powder coated James?

 

[Tony Hunter]

It's all about it in here James.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...ct-40-500&highlight=Trophy+body+shell+dipping

 

[BIGASH]

They can coat it in anti corrosion stuff first. That's what they did with my block. Can you not get it powder coated James?

They offer E-coating but it's over twice the price of the dipping itself. Mainly designed for road cars that will constantly be seeing salt, water etc. They have assured me they virtually never E coat race cars. I guess you could powdercoat the whole shell but it's a lot heavier and I wouldn't be able to just touch it up myself to repair any damage

It's all about it in here James.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...ct-40-500&highlight=Trophy+body+shell+dipping

Thanks for the link mate I actually went and found it after you mentioned this morning and read through it all! Does anyone know if he sold it because of an issue with the dipping? He got it done at the same place that I have been looking at

 

[Tony Hunter]

No issue with dipping, just an issue with the wife (ex wife).

 

[BIGASH]

Ahhh that is what Chris meant about a wife lol! I thought he must of got it back from dipping and it was falling apart or something

 

[Jonny1*2]

Nah he sold it. Was gutted for him as it could have been epic. Bits of the build are scattered around CS members. I've got his wheels did you have a look at the top mounts he was going to use?

 

[BIGASH]

Yes it did sound like it would be a rather nice car when complete

None of the pictures worked in the thread unfortunately It sounded like he was going to use the AST BMW ones and then swapped to Scooby one's. The top mounts on both are very similar from what I have seen before just the scooby ones have a slightly lower PCD so probably easier to fit into the clio turret

 

[Kenny.s]

If I was going to go this far (for a time I did consider it) I would go the full hog and get it E-coated, you'll never be able to get paint everywhere if it's done conventionally so it would be feasible for corrosion to set in somewhere without you knowing about it, granted it's a race car so perhaps not that big a deal.