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Just as an example - Supra TTs have a better auto box than the manual. It can take much more power and torque. That box though was designed to go in that car. As are all auto boxs.
If you were to take an auto box and put it in a car that it wasnt designed for then it will cause problems.
The Clio auto box just wont be up to it in the Williams. Just cause it fits doesnt mean it will do its job propery.
Ok one question, even if she did make the car into an Automatic, is anybody even going to insure her!
Yes but can any insurance company class it is as an Automatic for her liscence?!
And how old is she..?
Mk2 172 (Silver)
dogmaul thats a little harsh!!
my dad runs a driving project for underage drivers. most of them are teenagers aged 14-17 that want to get used to a car (on private grounds) before they even go out on the road on their first lesson.
there have been many people on the course that lack co-ordination and confidence... they just cant follow the processes of driving a manual car. he wont generally give up on them and at the end of four weeks the majority have the confidence and ability to handle a manual car. those that still struggle are given an automatic, their confidence rises and their driving is fine.
everyone has different abilities at the end of the day.
I know theres not a huge demand for auto versions of fast wee cars like the Williams/172/182, but why shouldnt Renault make one available?
A colleague at work had a bad skiing accident 10 years ago, damaging her left knee and making it impossible to use a clutch pedal. Shes driving a Clio 1.2 Quickshift (awful gearbox - so hesitant - but a good idea) and has been after a small, quick, cheap car like my 172 for ages, but no-one makes anything like this in auto form. Personally I prefer manuals in this type of car - it suits my type of driving. But why should those who cant or dont want to change gears themselves be denied the chance to own such a car?
Good luck with getting what you want!
The Jinx
I dont give a sh*t if theyre only good enough to drive autos. That doesnt make them a bad driver.
Theres millions of retards on the road that can change gears but are truly dreadful and dangerous.
dog maul I completely agree. Shes either a complete f**king r****d (and judging by the way she writes, this could well be the case) or American. Either way, if you cant drive a manual box you shouldnt be allowed on the road. Fail three driving tests and youre banned for life - thats another rule Id like to see.
How old do we reckon she is anyway? 17,18 maybe. Stop dreaming love and get yourself a mk1 fiesta like I had when I first drove. 997cc and it still cost £750 a year fully comp!
Mk2 Golf GTI
Because a lot of american cars are auto. Do you not understand the use of a complex sentence including brackets?
To be honest i think it is a stupid idea converting to auto. Autos should be for cars like grand tourers, not hot hatches! i think lisa should stop telling herself she cant do it and go learn how to use a manual. Unless she is disabled and it is not possible for her
the actual box linkage is different though isnt it. the zoom clutchless clio has the hydraulic mechanism on top of the box and works the linkages through the top whilst the williams selector mechanism is controlled from underneath.Quote: Originally posted by Red Clio 52 on 04 August 2004
Take this view seriously, you can retain the original Williams gearbox/clutch etc using this method and not have to experiment with matching untried/untested engine /clutch/gearbox combinations. The technology is there on the Renault Clio QS5 tried and tested and based on F1 technology.Quote: Originally posted by Red Clio 52 on 03 August 2004
It SHOULD be possible to retain the standard Williams gearbox and fit the Renault Quickshift system which uses a standard gearbox but an Electro-Hydraulic selector system. It would involve fitting the hydraulic reservoir/hydraulic accumulator/electric pump/twin pedals etc. that are fitted on the Clio Quickshift 5. Could prove an expensive mod though. You will have to visit your local friendly Renault dealer to price up the parts.
[Edited by Red Clio 52 on 03 August 2004 at 6:02am]
Mondeo STTDCI
It seems to me that it is pointless trying to explain the whys and wherefores of why the ownerhip experience of having a Williams is exactly that..an experience.
SO what I think Lisa really wants is a Blue Clio with Gold wheels with Williams stickers and 2.0 badges. Now im sure that can be sorted a lot cheaper than messing around with other gear boxes and ruining a WIlliams.
Im with Ben on this the auto box is just as weak the difference is people have trouble hammering the auto as much as the manuals with poor shifts clutch drops incorrect rpm speed matching on the downshift etc.
Im glad this thread was reopened hoping that it would make for some intelligent comments about helping make an auto Williams evenone has there own personal requirments the thread originator just wanted an auto as the prefered. The way people seem to think that auto drivers are useless is rediculious the supercars of the world are often autos so they obviously have something over manuals after all I dont see Enzo drivers being refered to incapable of driving as they have auto boxes. Its just a shame people are still having a go at her reasons for wanting one rather than achually helping.
You wont belive the amount of time I checked that over, you should have seen it first time I wote it.Quote: Originally posted by 007 on 05 August 2004
I agree with edde even with all those ropey spelling mistakes
English isnt my strong point (Ive yet to find anything I am good at)
Not been awefull but you have to be disabled in the brain if you cant change gear.
It would be a complete crime to convert the almighty williams into a sh*tty auto. I dont care wot anyone says your only allowed autos if you have a manual license. People with auto licenses are obvoisly less skilled and more lickely to kill someone so stick to the bus. You are also allowed autos if the car is made with auto only eg SL55 AMG.
Nope not having it you should not have an auto williams but if you must buy a car get a 1.4 metro auto.
I was only suggesting to Lisa that to incorporate the Clio QS5 Auto select mechanism may be a way for her to retain her Williams in Auto form. I agree that some modification may be required and did say that it could prove an expensive modification.Quote: Originally posted by JAY172 on 05 August 2004
the actual box linkage is different though isnt it. the zoom clutchless clio has the hydraulic mechanism on top of the box and works the linkages through the top whilst the williams selector mechanism is controlled from underneath.Quote: Originally posted by Red Clio 52 on 04 August 2004
Take this view seriously, you can retain the original Williams gearbox/clutch etc using this method and not have to experiment with matching untried/untested engine /clutch/gearbox combinations. The technology is there on the Renault Clio QS5 tried and tested and based on F1 technology.Quote: Originally posted by Red Clio 52 on 03 August 2004
It SHOULD be possible to retain the standard Williams gearbox and fit the Renault Quickshift system which uses a standard gearbox but an Electro-Hydraulic selector system. It would involve fitting the hydraulic reservoir/hydraulic accumulator/electric pump/twin pedals etc. that are fitted on the Clio Quickshift 5. Could prove an expensive mod though. You will have to visit your local friendly Renault dealer to price up the parts.
[Edited by Red Clio 52 on 03 August 2004 at 6:02am]
Thanks Moderator for reopening this forum to allow sensible discussion on the subject.
I have held a manual license for over 30 years now and bought a Clio QS5 by choice. I must say that it is one of the most fun cars I have owned and cannot agree with other posters views on the fact that the change mechanism is slow or jerky, I have found in nearly two years of ownnership that the system allows for (comparatively) good acceleration and performance with the ability to revert to manual operation if you really want to. I do not consider myself to be a lazy driver or in fact inferior to anyone who drives a manual. From choice I would now never revert to owning a manual car although I still drive manual cars occasionally without any problems.
Lisa, look into the technical possibilities of using the QS5 system, or at least try out a Clio QS5 before you discount the idea
[Edited by Red Clio 52 on 06 August 2004 at 12:21am]
Agreed, thats why I sugested to her that she apporoaches a professional such as Andy at GDI or possibly one of the companies that specialises in conversions. The QS5 system components are available and in current production so could form the basis of a modification using the original Williams gearbox. At a price anything is possible.
