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Hi Icarus,
Car is peaking at 202 HP at the fly, right? Can you please show me where the 18 HP gain is?
Instead of using ITG you might wanna try one of these or develop your own.
Car is peaking at 202 HP at the fly, right? Can you please show me where the 18 HP gain is?
Instead of using ITG you might wanna try one of these or develop your own.
As per your comments on the Renault Sport forum thenAs I said on there for every 100 people who genuinely like a project they'll always be one who thinks its s**t. :rasp:
Like the project. Can't quite appreciate the value for money.
Look at the mods and labour to achieve the +18 Bhp. Cams, ECU, Inlet, loom, linkage, calibration etc.
its 18bhp gain over what the car ACTUALLY went in with.
Oh and if the gruppeM wasnt so over priced it would already be on a 197
Actualy it's 32bhp gain over what the car went in with and 18bhp gain over what it made as standard.
172 5HED
So why did you do yours then? Being the expert that you obviously are????
hey mate, the ITG maxogen (I am seeing it in one of the pics) cannot be counted as cheap right ? by the way I also got maxogen on my RS-1
its 18bhp gain over what the car ACTUALLY went in with.
Oh and if the gruppeM wasnt so over priced it would already be on a 197
172 5HED
Ahh clearly you are the expert you appear to be, 197s DO NOT MAKE 197 BHP AS STD!!Hi Icarus,
Car is peaking at 202 HP at the fly, right? Can you please show me where the 18 HP gain is?
Instead of using ITG you might wanna try one of these or develop your own.
hey kevo, no offense we all have the same kind of problems. What I am saying is the gains n our cars are minimal, not specific to you.
hey mate, the ITG maxogen (I am seeing it in one of the pics) cannot be counted as cheap right ? by the way I also got maxogen on my RS-1
ITG Maxogen is less than HALF the price of the GruppeM!
Thats what I meant to type...Actualy it's 32bhp gain over what the car went in with and 18bhp gain over what it made as standard.
Golf GTD Mk7
32 is good really. You wouldn't get that with TB's on a 1*2. I spend just over 1K for 10bhp/15lbft. Unfortuantely with NA cars this is what you have to do. hense why more people are lightening rather than tuning.
Correct. Whilst there is a whole load of mutual hot air being blown up peoples rear ends on this project, you actually get very little Bhp for lots of £ and this is just another example.
Come on then. Give us a ball park figure if you wanted to go down a similar route without the development costs.
Just fitting the cams and having the ECU sitting on a bench in its box will be £2K.
18bhp actually as 197s dont make 197bhp as standard.
Read the WHOLE OF THE THREAD before commenting
Not really tho is he..If Kevs happy with the car then thats all that matters
172 5HED
you c**k!! It made 184 as STD so its a bit more than 5BHP, if you are going to post on someones thread then at least have half a clue what you are talking about!!
180-185bhp
172 5HED
Will it???? Cam fitting £250, ECU "in a box" is £650 ish I think! So not quite 2k!
Indeed! I'll just put an electric SC on it
Golf GTD Mk7
can't believe you're getting abuse for spending your money. There is limited development on the 197/200 engine, so you've got to get some more power where you can. the chassis is very capable. what else do people expect you do to for better money?turbo?SC? You'll be talking 5k plus easy but then we're into a hole different debate. (presumably there isn't any developed yet :S)
172 5HED
ok mate, you gained 20 bhp.
if you pleased with the result, i can say nothing.
you can say what you like, everyone else is!! BUT, at least get what you say correct!
Welcome ....another hot air blower.
all day kid, and what?
B/G 182 + PH1 Track
Looks good Kev, always liked you projects.
Get your sell a LSD next though
As for the ppl saying there are little gains, personally i think the gains Kev have seen are good. And knowing the work/money we have put in to our Track car Id be pleased with the results kev has seen. Our car went from 160bhp-185bhp-200bhp and hopefully come january 220/30 bhp.
Top work Matt, i really need to find time to come down to TDF one day for a look about.
/Adrian
Get your sell a LSD next though
As for the ppl saying there are little gains, personally i think the gains Kev have seen are good. And knowing the work/money we have put in to our Track car Id be pleased with the results kev has seen. Our car went from 160bhp-185bhp-200bhp and hopefully come january 220/30 bhp.
Top work Matt, i really need to find time to come down to TDF one day for a look about.
/Adrian
Its not just about the INNITIAL outlay, consider in 6-12months time when he/if he wants more performance from the engine, this can be more easily be obtained as any further modifications can calibrated for with massive ease now, and reduced costs.
aside from that, 3-4k isnt a bad price for the % gains achieved, increase in reliability, increased flexibility etc...
Standard...too many haters.
K-Tec Racing
ClioSport Trader
172LBT-172HBT-197-R2
been said before though, peak power is not that important...
its how it gets there...
power through the throttle and rpm sites is more important and is what makes a car fast and feel fast..
being able to put part throttle down on the motorway in 5th and the car pull strongly..... that kind of response is what you should expect from a well mapped kit like this.
Andy
Your also getting rid of the Euro 5 crap that hinders the engine and drivability massivly. It will be a much better car for it overall.
172 Race Car
Shame tho
172 5HED
I expected it sooner TBH.
It seems some people have read a book or two and from the comfort of their armchairs they have become experts!
They dont understand that beneath the power gains its also on cable throttle and working fully on an aftermarket ECU, but of course, they could do better, obviously!
And for the record I DONT GIVE A f**k ABOUT BHP per ££ I earn good wedge and spend it as I wish, is it a jealousy thing for some poeple that I have money to spend?? Maybe what they should do is go and build this better car themselves?? Until then maybe they should shut the f**k up!
172 Race Car
Not many people will appreciate the effort and engineering thats gone into it as they are too hung up on the figures thay can tell people down the pub.
Personaly having seen it and knowing a little bit about whats been done and whats involved in doing something like this id be pleased if i was Kev
Personaly having seen it and knowing a little bit about whats been done and whats involved in doing something like this id be pleased if i was Kev
I expected it sooner TBH.
It seems some people have read a book or two and from the comfort of their armchairs they have become experts!
They dont understand that beneath the power gains its also on cable throttle and working fully on an aftermarket ECU, but of course, they could do better, obviously!
And for the record I DONT GIVE A f**k ABOUT BHP per ££ I earn good wedge and spend it as I wish, is it a jealousy thing for some poeple that I have money to spend?? Maybe what they should do is go and build this better car themselves?? Until then maybe they should shut the f**k up!
I thought you were poor?!?!? Discount column on your invoices getting deleted as we speak
