Clio Cup vs Heavily modified Volvo v70

[piranhamatt]

Hi as you know the Clio 172 cup is the fastest thing in the planet.

Anyway a friend is getting a highly modified fwd volvo v70r (1996)which has apparently over 300bhp and possibly over 400nm torque.

In all comparisons of speed, his is faster with claims of 0-60 in under 5.5 and all that, but are there any aspects which the clio would still outperform?

The volvo has a LSD but a heavy front end. Clio would do nicer mpg at least haha....

But yeah, general discussion, apart from the Clio looks nicer and not like an OAP car what can it outdo on?


For a private road and or racetrack of course, Internet police.

Please no s**tting about saying "Hurr racecar" because this is for comparison chat and wanting to one-up each other

Ta

 

[Advikaz]

Country Lanes would be your strenght I imagine. More nimble & better under braking I'd imagine.

 

[cat171]

It's all about the twisties with a Clio lol.

On a straight though, no chance.

 

[Chrisgti6]

I'd be surprised if it's not more like 500+ nm of torque to be honest. My S40 is currently only 277bhp but 440nm of torque.

I'm not sure what the older stuff handles like, will be pretty barge like i'd imagine. Straight line, you have NO CHANCE. you may have him off the line (if it's anything like my car, it's hard to get the power down) but as soon as he hits second gear you won't see him for dust. You may start to catch on twistys, but he'll have so much straight line speed advantage that it's very unlikely.

My advice would be to stay clear of played with Volvo's (as a fair few cars have recently found out with mine )

 

[Advikaz]

I'd be surprised if it's not more like 500+ nm of torque to be honest. My S40 is currently only 277bhp but 440nm of torque.

I'm not sure what the older stuff handles like, will be pretty barge like i'd imagine. Straight line, you have NO CHANCE. you may have him off the line (if it's anything like my car, it's hard to get the power down) but as soon as he hits second gear you won't see him for dust. You may start to catch on twistys, but he'll have so much straight line speed advantage that it's very unlikely.

My advice would be to stay clear of played with Volvo's (as a fair few cars have recently found out with mine )

Yep, I had a Golf GT up my arse the other day, tried to loose him (redline in every gear y0), he sat on my bumper all the way. Spoke to the guy (nice bloke actually) & it'd been mapped. Was pretty quick for what it was, love a sleeper.

 

[piranhamatt]

I've been told to include that this volvo also has uprated coilovers, uprated ARB and bigger brakes which would also help its handling, but it sounds like I may be able to throw around mine a bit more because it weighs almost half a tonne less

 

[Nickson]

<3 Barge Volvo's. Winners car.

 

[chris_p]

The volvo undoubtedly weights as much as a 3 bed semi so the power to weight is probably not too far off the Clio in reality.
Totally different cars, but if I wanted a B road blast I'd jump in ten french tin can

 

[Advikaz]

The volvo undoubtedly weights as much as a 3 bed semi so the power to weight is probably not too far off the Clio in reality.
Totally different cars, but if I wanted a B road blast I'd jump in ten french tin can

A lot of it is torque though, they put out so much! And it's exactly what the clio hasn't got lol.

 

[cat171]

The Volvo sounds the nuts tbh. Any pictures of it?

 

[piranhamatt]

I'd be surprised if it's not more like 500+ nm of torque to be honest. My S40 is currently only 277bhp but 440nm of torque.

I'm not sure what the older stuff handles like, will be pretty barge like i'd imagine. Straight line, you have NO CHANCE. you may have him off the line (if it's anything like my car, it's hard to get the power down) but as soon as he hits second gear you won't see him for dust. You may start to catch on twistys, but he'll have so much straight line speed advantage that it's very unlikely.

My advice would be to stay clear of played with Volvo's (as a fair few cars have recently found out with mine )

Yeah looking at yours already,

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volvo/s40/saloon-2004/29039/

The standard 2.5 T5 already beats the Cup off the line, and that's only with 216bhp let alone 277

 

[Chrisgti6]

If it's modded, it'll be much more than 300bhp and 400nm. Thats the std figures for the V70R. Unless it's a modified T5? Either way will be nippy.

Not as heavy as you'd imagine either. 1500kg max i'd have thought. It's easily 200+ bhp per tonne.

 

[piranhamatt]

Here's two images of the car, the colour makes it look quite fancy. If it was one of those plain silver ones now that would be a proper sleeper!

But insane figures on the standard turbo still I believe.


Yup had a look, think it's minimum 202 bhp/tonne. Whereas mine is about 160-162/tonne

 

[l33th3tr33]

That looks s**t. Proper grandads colour too. That said, it's the perfect sleeper.

 

[piranhamatt]

That looks s**t. Proper grandads colour too. That said, it's the perfect sleeper.

Haha Lee, it's the Ryan guy who commented on my Facebook status about iphone chargers. Picking it up on Sunday.

"Gay gold" as he puts it

I posted this thread to him so feel free to insult!

 

[cat171]

Do like!!

 

[adamlstr]

If it's not had a trick diff fitted, and it's even slightly damp, he'll be happily sat still spinning one wheel.

 

[l33th3tr33]

Oooh it's him! it's not a sleeper any more, because no right minded youngster/young adult would 'roll' in a lolvo. He's too baby faced to pull it off, and that's coming from me, who acts 12> looks 12> is actually 25.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Start with 10 gallons of fuel each and tape up the fuel filler, see who can get somewhere 300 miles away the fastest.

Then he will appreciate what an epic allrounder the clio is with its great blend of performance and economy.


Big cars with turbos are fast, but they are very dear to run, especially on trackdays where their weight destroys expensive tyres etc.

 

[Chip-mk1]

If it's not had a trick diff fitted, and it's even slightly damp, he'll be happily sat still spinning one wheel.

Says in first post it has an LSD.

 

[piranhamatt]

Definitely be interesting to see, I was in a stripped out 2L 300bhp golf mk2 on Sunday which felt fast because of the amount of wheelspin and speed, but this has a hell of a lot more torque

 

[ilovewilly]

This will be interesting.

I've recently bought an 850 T5 and it's laughably quick. I've done around 400 miles in it and yet to get over 17mpg. The fact the lambda light is on and there's probably a fault somewhere won't be helping.

Hoping to take it to Combe in a couple of weeks so look out.

 

[Chrisgti6]

This will be interesting.

I've recently bought an 850 T5 and it's laughably quick. I've done around 400 miles in it and yet to get over 17mpg. The fact the lambda light is on and there's probably a fault somewhere won't be helping.

Hoping to take it to Combe in a couple of weeks so look out.

I'm easily seeing 25+mpg out of my S40 so I'd say you have something wrong! lol

 

[ilovewilly]

T5 Vs 172 Cup:

 

[Sir_Dave]

The Lolvo will rip you a new ar5ehole.

 

[aucky]

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[adamlstr]

Says in first post it has an LSD.

Touché.

 

[_Tom]

The Lolvo will rip you a new ar5ehole.

In a nutshell.

 

[barrythecat]

a friend of mine has a v70 t5 estate running 350bhp,proper suspension,brakes,exhaust,wheels/tyres etc etc etc.....it's a f**king rocket of a car.

One of the quickest things i have been in/driven and it's automatic!!!!

Been tuned by a place up near birmingham,think they are called KLM or something similar?.

as for your friends one don't even bother trying to keep up,he will just laugh as you disappear in his mirrors...unless he can't drive then you MIGHT have a chance lol.

Also would have steered away from the "R" version...good luck when he starts having gearbox problems

 

[182Trophy]

On a nice B road he wouldn't have a chance. Coilovers or not, not a sniff against the clio. Would be in the hedge with some of the roads we went down on Sunday. As everyone else has mentioned though no chance in a straight line.

 

[Knuckles]

If you want to waft by in comfort and have silly power at your disposal. Volvo.

if you want something chuckable on a good B road, Clio.

i had this dilemma recently over whether or not to get an s4 instead of the Clio. I enjoy the Clio on B roads more than flinging down a motorway in comfort though

 

[182Trophy]

If you want to waft by in comfort and have silly power at your disposal. Volvo.

if you want something chuckable on a good B road, Clio.

i had this dilemma recently over whether or not to get an s4 instead of the Clio. I enjoy the Clio on B roads more than flinging down a motorway in comfort though

This is going to be my problem when it comes to buying my next car. Want something a lot quicker in a straight line but love the trophy on the back roads. I was thinking 335i but they wont handle half as well.

 

[McGherkin]

The Lolvo will rip you a new ar5ehole.

Yeah this.

 

[Knuckles]

This is going to be my problem when it comes to buying my next car. Want something a lot quicker in a straight line but love the trophy on the back roads. I was thinking 335i but they wont handle half as well.

I really, really want a v8. And Audi avants are awesome but I get no joy whatsoever from planting my foot on a straight road

 

[imprezaworks]

Bends, that is it. A straight line it would embarrass a Clio. Mine for example hands down is far quicker off the mark than any Clio or previous car I've owned. All about driver ability or should I say disregard for public safety on the road. The Clio is a great car and should be appreciated for what it is.

 

[16v_paddy]

I know the volvo in question, helped fit the milltek to it and been for a blast around castle combe in it as well. Very capable car & surprisingly good fun to drive, I'm actually on the lookout for the saloon version of it, S70R, as my boring/fun daily hack but for the balls out uncompromised trackday fun I'll always stick with the clio

 

[182Trophy]

I really, really want a v8. And Audi avants are awesome but I get no joy whatsoever from planting my foot on a straight road

Why do you want a v8 then? Most are only good for going straight. I love the feeling of a silly powerful car. Having a balance of both is where it is at. Cars like that cost serious dollar though so.lol. M3 CSL is a perfect car for me tbh. Yours RS4?

 

[gaunty]

My brother in law had one when I had the Williams In a straight line I would lose big style he would just waft past me then on to silly speeds while I was bouncing valves out the bonnet.
But when it came to a roundabout or a really tight road it was a lot more even.

 

[Knuckles]

Why do you want a v8 then? Most are only good for going straight. I love the feeling of a silly powerful car. Having a balance of both is where it is at. Cars like that cost serious dollar though so.lol. M3 CSL is a perfect car for me tbh. Yours RS4?

Purely for the noise. Partly for being able to chuck the dog in the back.

ive not driven enough cars to have an educated decision, but on paper, an m3 also. Comfortable when you want but capable in the corners.

 

[scotty10]

i would love an old volvo sleeper.