Differences between 197 and the 197 Cup.

[trailerparktrev]

This was posted by the geezer who I ordered my R27 from on the Renaultsport forum.

Interesting...

Ordering for the 197 cup has opened as of this morning!!

As a reminder - the Clio Renaultsport 197 Cup the following equipment differences to the standard version:

Standard 197- Soft Touch Dashboard with matt satin centre console
Cup Version- Injection moulded dashboard (as used in Extreme) with black centre console

Standard 197- Renaultsport leather steering wheel with red centreband
Cup Version- Dynamique leather steering wheel

Standard197- Leather gearknob with leather gaiter
Cup- Leather gearknob with vinyl gaiter

Standard 197- Drilled aluminium pedals
Cup- Black rubber pedals

Standard 197- Renault Hands Free Keycard with reach and height adjustable steering column
Cup- Standard key with height adjustment only

Standard 197- Electric front windows with one touch control
Cup- Electric front windows

Standard 197- Satin chrome interior door handles with door pull
Cup- Black interior door handles with no door pull

Standard 197- Satin chrome exterior door handles
Cup- Black exterior door handles

Standard 197- Electric & heated body-coloured door mirrors
Cup- Manually adjustable black door mirrors

Standard 197- Cruise control and speed limiter
Cup- Not Available

Standard 197- Curtain Airbags
Cup- Optional Curtain Airbags

Standard 197- Air Conditioning as standard
Cup- Optional Air Conditioning

Standard 197- Optional Cup Chassis with red brake callipers & 17" anthracite alloy wheels
Cup- Cup Chassis as standard with red brake callipers as standard & 17" anthracite alloy wheels


RUBBER PEDALS and no door pull - Now that is tight!

 

[sh33n]

Ha, sounds about right.

I thought the wheels were going to be gloss black, or is that an option?

I really do think the cup makes the R27 look a damn good buy.

 

[j6 pkp]

that is an economy drive, its £1000 cheaper for those reasons! lol

 

[sh33n]

What is the actual weight difference then?!

 

[Timmay]

f**k having a cup then

 

[GinandGasoline]

hmmm... certainly makes the FF R27 seem a good buy... but tbh the lengths they've gone to aren't that dis-similar from the 172 Cups over a FF172

 

[ukaskew]

hmmm... certainly makes the FF R27 seem a good buy... but tbh the lengths they've gone to aren't that dis-similar from the 172 Cups over a FF172

Eh?! This is what happened to the 172 Cup aside from the height/camber/track changes...

Spare wheel removed (replaced by 2 anti-puncture inflators)
Air conditioning removed
Side airbags removed
Xenon headlamps removed
Auto-lights removed
Headlight washers removed
Rear headrests removed
Central rear seat belt removed
Heat reflecting windscreen removed
Thinner glass used throughout
Engine cover removed
Leather/alcantera seats replaced with cloth
Sound deadening adapted
Braking system redesigned without ABS
Speedline Turini alloy wheels



For sure they can't remove ABS anymore, but they shed 89kgs for the 172 Cup, I can't imagine for a second that they will get close to that this time.

And is it me or is the 197 Cup still not actually on the RS UK website?!

 

[bmh.01]

So basically they take all the good stuff out then?

 

[Christopher]

the peasant's RS Clio returns!

 

[GinandGasoline]

For sure they can't remove ABS anymore, but they shed 89kgs for the 172 Cup, I can't imagine for a second that they will get close to that this time.

And is it me or is the 197 Cup still not actually on the RS UK website?!

Nope it isn't anywhere that i could spot either... nor do i reckon they'll get near the 89kg weight loss of the 172FF v 172 Cup

My reference was more to the fact that they have lost a few of the toys - electric mirrors, keyless entry, optional a/c etc

 

[Iridium]

Sounds a bit pikey inside to me heh. Mind you, I do own a Mk1 Vee and quite like the interior, so what do I know...

Prefer airbags been an option, prefer black doorhandles to chrome ones (chrome in any form is tacky IMHO - except for shiny exhausts heh, and they're obviously not chrome). Does it have the same Recaros? I'd want the drilled pedals, and the fancy s/wheel and gear stick stuff as well. And the nice dash. I would *NEED* air. Basically I'd rather an R27

No mention of the longer ratios? Or are they standard on all 197s now?

Dan

 

[trailerparktrev]

Longer 5th and 6th gear ratios are now standard in all 197 Clios built from the week beginning October 8th.

 

[Iridium]

So the pinnacle would be an R27, with a revised gearbox then I guess

Dan

 

[seb]

whats the price for the cup? has it been announced?

 

[ukaskew]

whats the price for the cup? has it been announced?

The car isn't even on the Renaultsport UK site yet.

 

[GinandGasoline]

whats the price for the cup? has it been announced?

http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17456

this dealer is quoting 14995 plus options :

Air Conditioning. £525
Recaro Seats. £850
Curtain Airbags. £200
17'' Speedline Black Wheels. £175
Plus colour choice - white available for £150

 

[seb]

cheers, got my basic 197 with met cheaper than that last nov... i'm sure there is scope for discount tbh.

i'd buy one for 13k if it had a/c, recaros and white.

 

[trailerparktrev]

I reckon you (Seb) could get one in the spec you want for that price if you speak to the right dealers (ie ones that post often on renaultsport).

 

[ukaskew]

Blimey, my ideal Cup wouldn't be cheap...!

Recaro Seats. £850
17'' Speedline Black Wheels. £175
Plus colour choice - white available for £150

 

[SoA2k6]

Manual mirrors... rubber pedals... no fogs?!... black plastic everywhere... dynamique steering wheel... still no God damn spoiler as standard. For the bargain price of near 15K, what a joke.

 

[paul g]

its a dynamic with a 197 engine then lol

 

[SoA2k6]

its a dynamic with a 197 engine then lol

No, my Mum's Dynamique has electric mirrors and they're even colour coded.

It's more like an Awfulthentique.

 

[ColinG]

im sorry...but...i think they have missed the boat this time...the fact is...the 197 or R27 is just too damn good value...especially with the R27 having recaro's already in it..plus the cup suspension..cup anthracite wheels...and most of the toys the cup wont have????

stupid things that dont even save weight like the windows which are still electric...but they have done away with the best invention ever for windows...the one touch control?!

why not just stick manual windows in and be done with it?!

 

[MarkCup]

No mention of less sound insualtion?

Thought they'd have ripped that out to start with.

£15k is a lot is it?

I remember when the 172 Cup came out in 02/03 at £13k list price - most thought that was a bargain.

£2k increase bearing in mind the size and practicality + technical advances - doesn't sound to bad to me.

 

[ukaskew]

It seems to be following the 182 Cup idea of being a cheap alternative to the 'main' car, and we all know how well that sold...although the white paint will probably make up the sales as much as anything.

I can't see why they didn't go to town on it, just feels a little half-hearted,
pleased they deleted air-con though.

 

[Moby]

No mention of less sound insualtion?

Thought they'd have ripped that out to start with.

£15k is a lot is it?

I remember when the 172 Cup came out in 02/03 at £13k list price - most thought that was a bargain.

£2k increase bearing in mind the size and practicality + technical advances - doesn't sound to bad to me.

But there was a bigger difference between the 172 Cup and FF was there not?

I think what a lot of folk are comparing to is the price you get get a 197 or R27 (at least a few weeks ago).

Agree that £2k increase given the time isn't too bad.

Cheers.

 

[DrR]

can buy a new 197 for £13ishk so a new cup will be £11ishk i reckon.

 

[Storm_Force]

So the pinnacle would be an R27, with a revised gearbox then I guess

Dan

All 500 have now been sold so no more R27's in production

 

[Iridium]

So the pinnacle would be an R27, with a revised gearbox then I guess

Dan

All 500 have now been sold so no more R27's in production

Garage advertising on eBay still has 10 left £13,995 plus options.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULTSPORT-CLIO-197-F1-ONLY-10-LEFT-CALL-NOW_W0QQitemZ110161224327

Dan

 

[Pete.]

Think I'll wait for the next F1 version then.

 

[Iridium]

Or the Trophy. On the upside, early ones are gonna plummet in value (upside for us used buyers anyway...) because they have been selling so cheap new, and I'd imagine the older style gearbox will put a fair few people in the know off.

Dan

 

[Munson]

And is it me or is the 197 Cup still not actually on the RS UK website?!

I've picked up on this kind of thing before, but according to Tom it isn't a problem and I'm stupid. Expecting to find renaultsport cars on the renaultsport website is a bit too much to ask apparently :rasp:

 

[Munson]

Incidenatally. looking at that spec list, the Cup appears to be a ClioIII with a bigger engine. Not for me TBH. Rubber pedals? That's not even a sporting ethos and they're probably heavier

 

[Munson]

It seems to be following the 182 Cup idea of being a cheap alternative to the 'main' car, and we all know how well that sold...although the white paint will probably make up the sales as much as anything.

The 182 Cup has AC/Cruise/limiter/pedals etc. etc. The 197 Cup appears to have none of these things

As for ditching one-touch windows - it probably cost them to remove the feature. Here's an idea, how about they make the engine produce close to 197hp, then they would'nt need to use thinner paint. The white paint is thinner right? It costs more so perhaps it's thicker?

 

[fmp_]

i would order one tomorrow if i had the cash.

seems like a decent bit of kit, without the pointless toys.

but then i would take the car, remove more from it and have some fun.

 

[mike F1 20]

ive been told that they are bringing out a 197 version with a 20L turbo, how true is that?

 

[Munson]

No. Not as long as there is a car called Megane that they also make with thicker white paint.

 

[Munson]

By the way Mike, is that your car in your avatar? Looks sexy as f**k

 

[ColinG]

if they turbo the 197...i will sell the vee tomorrow

really

come on renault...how many times do you want to see your clio get beaten in magazine tests due to lack of power??? its heavy...the power to weight just aint there anymore

you are making the best chassis in the pack right now...give us the power it deserves

 

[Iridium]

if they turbo the 197...i will sell the vee tomorrow

really

come on renault...how many times do you want to see your clio get beaten in magazine tests due to lack of power??? its heavy...the power to weight just aint there anymore

you are making the best chassis in the pack right now...give us the power it deserves

Seconded. A Clio F1 230 would do NICELY thankyou

Dan