Andy have you sorted yours?
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Ecu Unlocking
- Thread starter James.f
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nope..
I have another ECU from ECU Clinic that **should** work, haven't got around to trying it, and to be honest don't hold much hope. I've been gathering the bits to convert to PH1.
No, I ditched all that, it's apparently all done with software in the PH2....
This is the last chance for the PH2 stuff, I have an emulator for the PH1, and an RSTuner has been on it's way for a month - another long story
'92 172, Lotus Elise
No, I ditched all that, it's apparently all done with software in the PH2....
This is the last chance for the PH2 stuff, I have an emulator for the PH1, and an RSTuner has been on it's way for a month - another long story
Make sure they don't send you a kangoo K4M map as that's the only non immob map as standard.
Part of the reason of getting the RSTuner is to check what map lurks within - in the unlikely event that the engine actually runs
Yeah, think it was them that sent f0xy the kangoo map, be good to double check.
Jay low, ditch the manky ph2 stuff and go ph1 :rasp::rasp:
Anyone want to go halves on this?
http://www.tek-tronics.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=59
Jay low, ditch the manky ph2 stuff and go ph1 :rasp::rasp:
Anyone want to go halves on this?
http://www.tek-tronics.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=59
I have had the car turning over before i got the ecu virginised, since done it and emulator fitted i havnt had any luck..
just waiting for a answer back from the guy now..
@ Andrew, you say pin 58 is Cruise control? yet the guide says its a Engine Immob system.. now i either have the wrong diagram or you have it..
How could i make it into a ph1 setup tho, that would mean i need to change all the wiring again, change the throttle body so that its cable operated and a bunch ov other stuff..
& no, i wont go halves with you on that, even tho it would be cheaper and could do it to other people im sure it could pay itself off..
the guide is for a Sirius 32
Email back from the dude..
Hi yes thats the correct Emulator..
1, decode the Ecu
2, Add an emulator (this sends an ok signal but no code) doesnt need a code as the ecu has been decoded (no code stored)
3, cut the immo line from the dash/bsi to the ecu (this will mean the car immo system cant talk t othe ecu and ONLY talks to the emulator and gets an ok signal to start..
P.s most likely you havnt..
1, cut the immo line to the ecu
2, decoded the ecu
3,some other fault
4, fault emulator (highly unlikely but possible)
Now what is this dash/bsi line??
Hi yes thats the correct Emulator..
1, decode the Ecu
2, Add an emulator (this sends an ok signal but no code) doesnt need a code as the ecu has been decoded (no code stored)
3, cut the immo line from the dash/bsi to the ecu (this will mean the car immo system cant talk t othe ecu and ONLY talks to the emulator and gets an ok signal to start..
P.s most likely you havnt..
1, cut the immo line to the ecu
2, decoded the ecu
3,some other fault
4, fault emulator (highly unlikely but possible)
Now what is this dash/bsi line??
1 → IGNITION COIL 2-3 CONTROL
32 → IGNITION COIL 1-4 CONTROL
3 --- POWER EARTH
33 --- POWER EARTH
4 → CANISTER PURGE CONTROL
8 → FAN ASSEMBLY RELAY 1 CONTROL BY CCTM
38 → FAN ASSEMBLY RELAY 2 CONTROL BY CCTM
9 → COOLANT TEMPERATURE WARNING LIGHT
39 → ACTUATOR RELAY CONTROL
10 → AC COMPRESSOR CONTROL
41 → IDLE SPEED REGULATOR CONTROL (TRACK A)
12 → IDLE SPEED REGULATOR CONTROL (TRACK B)
42 → IDLE SPEED REGULATOR CONTROL (TRACK C)
13 ← COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR INPUT
43 ← THROTTLE POTENTIOMETER SIGNAL
15 --- PRESSURE SENSOR EARTH
45 ← OXYGEN SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
63 → OXYGEN SENSOR HEATER CONTROL
64 → CAMSHAFT OFFSETTING DEVICE CONTROL
65 → GEAR CHANGE INDICATOR LIGHT CONTROL
66 --- +AFTER IGNITION
68 → FUEL PUMP RELAY CONTROL
70 → TDC ENGINE SPEED INFORMATION
72 → IDLE SPEED REGULATOR CONTROL (TRACK D)
73 --- COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR EARTH
74 --- THROTTLE POTENTIOMETER SUPPLY
75 --- THROTTLE POTENTIOMETER EARTH
16 ← MANIFOLD PRESSURE SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
19 --- KNOCK SENSOR SHIELDING
49 ← AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR INPUT
20 ← KNOCK SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
23 ← AC COMPRESSOR POWER ABSORBED INFORMATION
53 ← VEHICLE SPEED INPUT
24 ← ENGINE SPEED SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
54 ← ENGINE SPEED SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
26 --- DIAGNOSTIC
56 --- DIAGNOSTIC
28 --- POWER EARTH
58 ← ENGINE IMMOBILISER SYSTEM
29 --- +AFTER IGNITION
59 → INJECTOR 1 CONTROL
30 --- +BEFORE IGNITION
60 → INJECTOR 3 CONTROL
77 --- AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR EARTH
78 --- PRESSURE SENSOR SUPPLY
79 --- KNOCK SENSOR EARTH
80 --- OXYGEN SENSOR EARTH
85 → POWER STEERING PRESSURE SWITCH INFORMATION
89 → INJECTOR 4 CONTROL
90 → INJECTOR 2 CONTROL
Those are the Sirius 32 ph1 pins
They differ from the Sirius 34 ph2 pins
Looks like the emulator won't work with the ph2 setup as it's a CAN BUS setup, much more complex
32 → IGNITION COIL 1-4 CONTROL
3 --- POWER EARTH
33 --- POWER EARTH
4 → CANISTER PURGE CONTROL
8 → FAN ASSEMBLY RELAY 1 CONTROL BY CCTM
38 → FAN ASSEMBLY RELAY 2 CONTROL BY CCTM
9 → COOLANT TEMPERATURE WARNING LIGHT
39 → ACTUATOR RELAY CONTROL
10 → AC COMPRESSOR CONTROL
41 → IDLE SPEED REGULATOR CONTROL (TRACK A)
12 → IDLE SPEED REGULATOR CONTROL (TRACK B)
42 → IDLE SPEED REGULATOR CONTROL (TRACK C)
13 ← COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR INPUT
43 ← THROTTLE POTENTIOMETER SIGNAL
15 --- PRESSURE SENSOR EARTH
45 ← OXYGEN SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
63 → OXYGEN SENSOR HEATER CONTROL
64 → CAMSHAFT OFFSETTING DEVICE CONTROL
65 → GEAR CHANGE INDICATOR LIGHT CONTROL
66 --- +AFTER IGNITION
68 → FUEL PUMP RELAY CONTROL
70 → TDC ENGINE SPEED INFORMATION
72 → IDLE SPEED REGULATOR CONTROL (TRACK D)
73 --- COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR EARTH
74 --- THROTTLE POTENTIOMETER SUPPLY
75 --- THROTTLE POTENTIOMETER EARTH
16 ← MANIFOLD PRESSURE SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
19 --- KNOCK SENSOR SHIELDING
49 ← AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR INPUT
20 ← KNOCK SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
23 ← AC COMPRESSOR POWER ABSORBED INFORMATION
53 ← VEHICLE SPEED INPUT
24 ← ENGINE SPEED SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
54 ← ENGINE SPEED SENSOR SIGNAL INPUT
26 --- DIAGNOSTIC
56 --- DIAGNOSTIC
28 --- POWER EARTH
58 ← ENGINE IMMOBILISER SYSTEM
29 --- +AFTER IGNITION
59 → INJECTOR 1 CONTROL
30 --- +BEFORE IGNITION
60 → INJECTOR 3 CONTROL
77 --- AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR EARTH
78 --- PRESSURE SENSOR SUPPLY
79 --- KNOCK SENSOR EARTH
80 --- OXYGEN SENSOR EARTH
85 → POWER STEERING PRESSURE SWITCH INFORMATION
89 → INJECTOR 4 CONTROL
90 → INJECTOR 2 CONTROL
Those are the Sirius 32 ph1 pins
They differ from the Sirius 34 ph2 pins
Looks like the emulator won't work with the ph2 setup as it's a CAN BUS setup, much more complex
no, because it won't work with a 34
Ye i have all that down on a word document from Jord,
So if Andrew is correct that pin 58 is Cruise control then i dont have to worry about fixing that, but il remove the emulator and try it again.. guy hasnt mentioned that the emu wont work with the ecu atall..
in post 48
"What i did find was with the Emulator is that it doesnt work for Series 34 Ecu.. now are you both running the Series 32 or 34?
Reason beeing is when i spoke on the phone to tek-tronics he said it wont for the 34, so i still orderd to try as it was only 35quid."
Andy knows his stuff fella, and the CAN BUS stuff is coming back to me, the ECU doesn't have a dedicated immobiliser in line that you can emulate onto. Andy has the ph2 setup and has been trying to crack it for months.
Your ecu should still be virginised or have accepted the new code from your UCH+key pairing.
Maybe the reason it won't start isn't ECU related
Oh im not dissing andrew atall, i have very small knowledge on it tbh, so more info i get is helpfull when i try and explain to other people..
Im the same as andrew then as its coming up to 5months now, and still no running car.
Willy, what would i need to ditch this ph2 and go for ph1 style?? ..
- entire inside loom..
- engine bay loom
- Ph1 throttle body
- ecu/uch ingiton barrel the lot.
- accelertion pedal
- Throttle body (cable operated)
is that it ye? also will it all work with my ph2 engine tho?
- entire inside loom..
- engine bay loom
- Ph1 throttle body
- ecu/uch ingiton barrel the lot.
- accelertion pedal
- Throttle body (cable operated)
is that it ye? also will it all work with my ph2 engine tho?
It's a lot of expense mate, I don't really wanna push you that way if you can it running with your existing stuff.
But yeah,
Pedal box with cable
Inlet with cable tb
Both looms
ECU with either emulator or UCH and key
Doesn't matter on the phase of the engine
Then I'm stumped as a virginised ECU should have just picked up the code when you turned the ignition on.
Are they all from the same car, guaranteed?
The first set i got was when i bought the engine from steve.
the 2nd set is for a 172 cup, which i bought from RM_Bailey on here recently. now that wont start the car either, which i was absolutly stumped because they all came off the car 1 week then next week it was in mine :S
The ph1 stuff is the last straw tbh, i wont do that unless i have to. which if it costs £250ish for the parts i will do it myself..
Il remove the emulator tommorow and check everything, hoping that the weather stays dry il check Everything over.
You've literally fitted everything from steves car to yours?
Turned over but no spark?
Turned over but no spark?
Only things i got from steve was the engine etc, i asked him for ecu keys etc which i gather was a set he had spare.
Fitted the engine into my car but running 1.2 gear like fred, changed all the inside loom, fitted ecu etc and it wouldnt turn over, sorted that out with a earth cable, and it turned over just no spark, and thats were im stuck to this point ..
Fitted the engine into my car but running 1.2 gear like fred, changed all the inside loom, fitted ecu etc and it wouldnt turn over, sorted that out with a earth cable, and it turned over just no spark, and thats were im stuck to this point ..
Are you getting fuel?
The fuse holder right hand side of engine bay would have needed rejoining as it splits when fuses are removed load a photo as these could be slotted back together wrong need photos of the side so to check the colours of the fuse holders are in correct order memrory a double green a white and a black on one side the red to the other you would have joined these when you joined the 2 looms I'm just trying to get away from ecu as if you got a full conversion of steve it should have just plug & played unless wirering was wrong.
Hope this makes sence.
Ye i get what your saying, The fuse/relay hoder came with fuses in allready which had some damaged so these have been changed, some 50amps one did snap also replaced,
Underneath was a white connection block which connect to another which then leads into the engine bay, Il try and source a picture as i have on somewhere
here:
NOTE THAT THOSE HAVE NOW BEEN FILLED WITH FUSE'S AND ARE NOT EMPTY..
You haven't activated the impact switch have you?
Whats the impact switch?
No impact switch on Ph2s
Ye i get what your saying, The fuse/relay hoder came with fuses in allready which had some damaged so these have been changed, some 50amps one did snap also replaced,
Underneath was a white connection block which connect to another which then leads into the engine bay, Il try and source a picture as i have on somewhere
here:
NOTE THAT THOSE HAVE NOW BEEN FILLED WITH FUSE'S AND ARE NOT EMPTY..
I'm busy with a 172 at work at mo I'll check these against mine & let you know tomorrow.
Cuts the ignition if activated
Bridge this and try it
IIRC ph2 dont have this only ph1,
& Trev im uploadin a better pic now as what i have used
Had an RSTuner on it? Any fault codes?
Tuner couldnt work on my car because the Vin for the actual car is CB05 which is not supported, i dont understand how but Henk said no lol, so i sold it.
