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External waste gate on tce!?!
- Thread starter Westytce
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Dr HMS Derv Destroyer
ClioSport Club Member
MK1DTi/vivaro/corsa
dci's come with a k35 turbo and later models kp35.
I am a grown up.
SRS!?!
s**t, sorry fella, I honestly had you down for a just-passed 17yr old.
In fairness, I just dumped a load of money into the doors of the Mazda, which would put me square in the camp of McD's night-racers too I suppose :quiet:
PD130 Peach
The fella wanted advice on an external waste gate not weather or not to do what he is doing. Otherwise the thread would have been called
"Should I bolt a bigger turbo on my tce"
Op has a right to get "pissy" over people who sit there and complain.
Btw. In my reading and experience, will be no need for an external wastgate with what you are doing
"Should I bolt a bigger turbo on my tce"
Op has a right to get "pissy" over people who sit there and complain.
Btw. In my reading and experience, will be no need for an external wastgate with what you are doing
I'm used to it, opinions are welcome if they are constructive and not rubbish like... What you doin dat for maan, what you want is a bigger engine in it and a go faster stripe yeah boi....
I'm interested to see how it turns out too, Im not searching for high bhp, it's a 1.2 ffs, but it will be a better car to drive that is different and not something everyone has... The standard injectors are at the limit on 100bhp anyway.... Hens 182 has been discussed with pump etc.
lol
Ask for help and opinions then get all gobby when you don't like the replies!! Yep some maybe pointless and some from people who know what they are talking about.
And still ignore genuine guidance so tbh waste of time this thread
Thanks for coming Westytce
Ignore guidance really, I think maybe re read the thread, I mean you can read right? I think I share the opinions of the ewg not really being worth while... That's agreeing not ignoring, yes.
Like I said post up if it's helpful... It's not Facebook lmfbo.
Nice offer but we will see when mapped what the score is...if needed I'll prob get fuel rail from a breaker with new injectors from Renault, fuel pump will prob be walbro etc... If they do one, not looked at this in detail yet.
Im guessing its the more polite version, as he doesn't like Arse.
The fella wanted advice on an external waste gate not weather or not to do what he is doing. Otherwise the thread would have been called
"Should I bolt a bigger turbo on my tce"
Op has a right to get "pissy" over people who sit there and complain.
Btw. In my reading and experience, will be no need for an external wastgate with what you are doing
Amen.
Agreed ewg not worth it, it's not a bhp monster and never will be.
I think a lot of people thought the tce would be the new r5... But companies dont seem to want to make decent products for it, hence a lot of custom work is needed.
Im guessing its the more polite version, as he doesn't like Arse.
Balls, thought you guys prefer some of those....
dan your so helpful...Shame some people can't stick on topic and want to push there negative thoughts in...
You got these replies:
Then replied with:
which gave this reaction:
So, you've been given plenty of Proper advice. but still argued??
Then replied with:
which gave this reaction:
So, you've been given plenty of Proper advice. but still argued??
Why go through my thread and breaking it down with no input about the topic.... How is this helpful to me... Be polite and add some substance or treat your keyboard buttons to a kitkat.
I asked chip why... And yes it wold look nice on the manifold if done, fact.... So evidently I'm interested in factual info... also see my last post...
I've given you proper input. You don't need an external waste gate, I was running 360bhp on a gt2871r with no boost creep on an internal gate. The turbo you have doesn't have the option afaik for a non gated hotside. which then means you'll be going to the extra expense for no gain what so ever. With regards to the 1.2 engine, chip doesn't need to know about the specifics of an engine to know if its worth doing or not, especially on your application. I suspect He has built and mapped more high power turbo and NA applications than you've laid your eyes on. I've had the privilege of working with him, so I know to take his advice happily.
That's a bit better thanks, agreed the waste gate not worth it, end of boxed off... finished.
I'm sure chip knows his stuff interested to know how he knows and what he does.
Chip I'm looking to keep the engine, and do a few bits that have not been done before so engine swop is not on cards. I've thought of buying second hand engine so could be used to make things easier like head work etc..
Personally I would advise against the "doing it to be different" approach, I see it all the time (I work part time as modified car magazine motoring journalist) and almost without exception it means blowing half a dozen grand just to end up with a small engine that now goes as well as a larger one you could have fitted for peanuts or sold your car and swapped to, and always with reduced reliability, increased fuel consumption, and then no one shows much interest in your "cool project" cause it's still not fast.
its fun playing with engines, but always start with the biggest one that comes as standard or easily fits IMHO so that for the same spend you end up with a lot more power.
its fun playing with engines, but always start with the biggest one that comes as standard or easily fits IMHO so that for the same spend you end up with a lot more power.
I understand the point of view and your obligation from a professional point view too.
Im not going silly with it, some would disagree understood,
The cars to do list is below it's not much really,
Lowered
Spacers
Larger turbo gt1544
Custom fanimold to accommodate turbo
Full exhaust system
Larger fmic
Mocal oil cooler
Open filter
Naca bonnet vent
Remap
Larger front brakes prob hi spec ATM.
To compliment that injectors may be needed.
It's breathing mods really.
Im not going silly with it, some would disagree understood,
The cars to do list is below it's not much really,
Lowered
Spacers
Larger turbo gt1544
Custom fanimold to accommodate turbo
Full exhaust system
Larger fmic
Mocal oil cooler
Open filter
Naca bonnet vent
Remap
Larger front brakes prob hi spec ATM.
To compliment that injectors may be needed.
It's breathing mods really.
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Dr HMS Derv Destroyer
ClioSport Club Member
MK1DTi/vivaro/corsa
iv had a look at those tce engines, your definatly going to need better injectors and a pump to even see any reall gains from the turbo swaps.
to say like you said, 100bhp is almost the max hp the standard tce injectors can handle. maybe more at a push, but think of it this way, its going to cost and arm and a leg to fix the fuel system if something goes wrong.
182 injectors i think fit, those coupled with a 172/182 fuel pump and you should see abit more power gain. ( still havent figured how the tce injector loom will pair up with 182 injectors ...? )
oh and one other thing, are you doing head work to accomodate the higher boost levels?
its a weak engine already, adding more stress is going to go bang.
to say like you said, 100bhp is almost the max hp the standard tce injectors can handle. maybe more at a push, but think of it this way, its going to cost and arm and a leg to fix the fuel system if something goes wrong.
182 injectors i think fit, those coupled with a 172/182 fuel pump and you should see abit more power gain. ( still havent figured how the tce injector loom will pair up with 182 injectors ...? )
oh and one other thing, are you doing head work to accomodate the higher boost levels?
its a weak engine already, adding more stress is going to go bang.
I wouldn't be putting in a vent either tbh
I would have thought you will see reasonable gains from a bigger turbo without needing to touch the head.
Turbo engines tend to be a lot less bothered about head mods, until you are talking big specific outputs (ie 200bhp+ per litre on most multivalve engines)
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
A couple of people have fitted 182 injectors and fuel rails to tces and along with a few other mods have seen ~150bhp.
Someones just bought a 1.2 twingo on here with 140odd bhp
Its better value than spending the same amount as the swap would cost on upgrades for your 1.2 which then wont be worth as much as a 197.
Ok brilliant, I think I'll buy a second hand engine incase anything does go pop. Think they go for about £ 500.
Understood, but do I want 200 bhp....?
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
I would just do the mods to your current engine, and then if you have a problem go and buy a secondhand one to replace it, but so long as its mapped properly (and got suitable sized injectors to allow it to be in the first place) I dont see that you will have any big issues.
If you mean Good Value For Money then I'm completely bemused as to how throwing money at a shopping trolley which will forever have the value of its base vehicle is in any way value.
The insurance will probably be similar, the only guaranteed saving is tax and I can't imagine an over-fettled TCE is going to bring in MPGs anywhere near the book and far closer to a 182 (if not the Mk.3 R.S. Clios).
I know you're going to anyway and hats off to you for it. Hell if we all just did as CS says then the club would be a far duller place, it's just I get my head around what you're trying to actually achieve. But that's my problem
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
What a weird thread. OP has an attitude problem.
You know how short men are often angry and shouty?
Same with people who have small engines.
lol
Ok fair crack, the vfm was in regards to a 200bhp car, IMO jap would be better vfm.... Great thing to say on Clio forum.... I'll wait for the abuse.... Lol.
What am I looking to achieve, a unique car that drives well. I have a few grand spare so am trying to enjoy the project...
