extracting power from f4r

[RSprojects]

what have you guys done ? list your mods and hp's please

i currently just got a 182 2005. with ktr/janspeed exhaust with de-cat and i have removed the acoustic valve. it feels quick as it is!
i want more horses though! I was thinking just a k-tec induction kit and remap from them to look at around 180hp...
also is it worth getting matched inlets done from k-tec will i see more like 182-184?? and are any other mods you would recomend

 

[Aydon182]

Buy a better car if your not satisfied with how they are, all those mods you mention you would be lucky to see 175bhp.

 

[Cupman29]

Get boost!

 

[.Stevo.C.]

Power gains are pretty hard to come by with these engines unless you spend biggish money.

 

[Fred@BTM]

real world figures you can subtract around 7hp from the ones you've posted, without spending thousands you won't be much above 180-183 on a good day, again being realistic

i can sugar coat it and say you'll be up at 190 but the i'd by a liar

 

[Jay Payne]

 

[Fred@BTM]

what no £50's?

 

[Jay Payne]

 

[RSprojects]

not the responses i was looking for...

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

Don't bother wasting your money.
Unless you go for forced induction, nothing will make a major difference.

 

[Jay Payne]

not the responses i was looking for...

cams, itb's, boost etc to make any noticeable difference.

 

[Fred@BTM]

lighter wallet = less weight therefore more speed

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

cams, itb's etc to make any noticeable difference.

Not massive though. Didn't you have an extra 20bhp or so this year in your car? And your lap times were only a bit lower, which of course in your competitive series is a lot, but for the average joe, is not a lot at all.

 

[RSprojects]

yeah i was thinking cams doesnt look too pricey. okay anyone with the mods I listed would like to know what they say

 

[RSprojects]

well a remap is only 200 at k-tec so i dont see how thats a waste of money.

 

[Addicted]

Because a remap will give you 1-2bhp if you have a new exhaust/filter.

So £100/bhp is not exactly favourable!

 

[Mar172]

Your money but with the inlets and ind kit & map more like £ 550

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

well a remap is only 200 at k-tec so i dont see how thats a waste of money.

The RSTuner remap is much better value for money I think, especially if you know someone near you with the hardware. The bhp increase is negligible, but the map does improve drivability a bit.

 

[Jay Payne]

well a remap is only 200 at k-tec so i dont see how thats a waste of money.

whats more fun an extra 2bhp all the time or a trackday/night out/weekend away with the mrs etc etc

 

[RSprojects]

Because a remap will give you 1-2bhp if you have a new exhaust/filter.

So £100/bhp is not exactly favourable!

well its proven you get 3hp out of induction kit alone so i think i'd see about 4-7 plus better mpg

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

4-7, if correct, is still f**k all.

 

[tom172cup]

Nitrous?

 

[SharkyUK]

If you've got a couple of grand (or more) kicking around then you'll likely see the happy side of a genuine 200 horses (unless you have an exceptionally freakishly strong standard engine). Unless you've got deep pockets I would take note of what's already been said as the minimal gains you get with 'minor' mods is pretty much negligible. I would however consider a remap as I did find a noticeable improvement in the way the car drove afterwards.

 

[Ghm]

Make the car lighter? Remove anything large and unwanted - rear seats perhaps, lighter alloys etc.

 

[bright]

it amazes me that with the amount of information about how hard it is to gain more power ftom these, that people get uppity when they tell you not to waste money.

 

[bill]

turbo/sc it!

 

[JON13S]

If you've got a couple of grand (or more) kicking around then you'll likely see the happy side of a genuine 200 horses (unless you have an exceptionally freakishly strong standard engine). Unless you've got deep pockets I would take note of what's already been said as the minimal gains you get with 'minor' mods is pretty much negligible. I would however consider a remap as I did find a noticeable improvement in the way the car drove afterwards.

This man speaketh sense! And not just because I constantly annoy him. He has felt the wrath of the tuned clio. My money would go on handling not out and out go. If you want to go fast buy something fast. If you want to enjoy a little car that's a hoot to drive, welcome aboard and take the mrs away for a naughty weekend without worrying whether that 3-4 bhp will make feck all difference. All IMHO of course.

 

[Dan519]

The RSTuner remap is much better value for money I think, especially if you know someone near you with the hardware. The bhp increase is negligible, but the map does improve drivability a bit.

I upgraded a 172 from one of those maps and a viper induction kit, to one of our maps and a KTR induction kit. 8.2bhp peak gain.

 

[Chip-mk1]

it amazes me that with the amount of information about how hard it is to gain more power ftom these, that people get uppity when they tell you not to waste money.

Agreed, the difference is naff all unless you start actually spending well over a grand on ITBs or an RS2 or boost or at least Cams.

And even if you do, it still will not actually be a fast car, if straight lines are your thing you need boost and the easiest way to that is not a clio.

 

[bright]

Agreed, the difference is naff all unless you start actually spending well over a grand on ITBs or an RS2 or boost or at least Cams.

And even if you do, it still will not actually be a fast car, if straight lines are your thing you need boost and the easiest way to that is not a clio.

The only thing I'll do to mine engine wise is maybe try 197 Cams if I have the money / theres some available when my Cambelt's changed. Other than that its just not worth it for what I use the car for

 

[The Dominator]

438's make mine more lively but I would agree if your after power either go down the boost route or buy another car

 

[Chip-mk1]

The only thing I'll do to mine engine wise is maybe try 197 Cams if I have the money / theres some available when my Cambelt's changed. Other than that its just not worth it for what I use the car for

197 cams make it rev a little more happily but its not a huge transformation, you'll notice it, but only just!
438s would make more sense if you can stretch the budget a little further.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Chasing rainbows really.

 

[RSprojects]

I upgraded a 172 from one of those maps and a viper induction kit, to one of our maps and a KTR induction kit. 8.2bhp peak gain.

this. Everyone with rstuner maps never see gains but live maps people notice a better difference

 

[Stu.]

Get boost!

Nitrous?

This combo.

 

[Aydon182]

Agreed, the difference is naff all unless you start actually spending well over a grand on ITBs or an RS2

there is still naff all even if you add an RS2. But hey if OP wants to spend £1700 for 15bhp so be it, each to his own. Drive ability is the only real thing that is improved with these breathing mods.

 

[Adam G]

whats more fun an extra 2bhp all the time or a trackday/night out/weekend away with the mrs etc etc

I'll take the first two options. Think my missus's engine has ceased.

real world figures you can subtract around 7hp from the ones you've posted, without spending thousands you won't be much above 180-183 on a good day, again being realistic

i can sugar coat it and say you'll be up at 190 but the i'd by a liar

From a man that could quite happily take your money and promise the earth. Yet tells it how it is.

 

[Greeny.]

this. Everyone with rstuner maps never see gains but live maps people notice a better difference

I've always run RSTuner maps and always made good power on this 172 and my last, its easy to make the best of the engine with a few basic breathing mods, from my experience the following works well:

• RSTuner Map
• 2.5" Stainless System
• Matched Inlets
• Decent induction setup, KTR or similar
• Clio Ph1 Twin Cat/182 Cat Mod/Sports Cat/BTB Sports Cat/De-cat if you like noise

Made 172bhp / 152lb/ft torque on my old car.
Made 178bhp / 150lb/ft torque on my current car.

Both run on a realistic RR, no doubt I would get over 180bhp on other rollers (no names mentioned) without a problem.

I would imagine with one of Danny's maps I might make a little more bhp and if they were available when I bought my generic RSTuner map I would of went for it, however now I have my ECU mapped, its pointless changing it unless I get some cams etc. Those mods above would set you back around 1k new but imo thats probably the best you're gunna get without spending serious cash.

 

[Chip-mk1]

this. Everyone with rstuner maps never see gains but live maps people notice a better difference

millerins is on an rs tuner map.
182bhp and 165lbft of torque at Surrey rolling road, standard unmatched inlets.

i think it's a bit silly to say they don't work, they are actually very good.

Dont get me wrong I can do better as they aren't perfect for any car but they are close enough that the reality is its not worth the extra cost to properly custom map on the standard cumbersome Ecu.

 

[Greeny.]

millerins is on an rs tuner map.
182bhp and 165lbft of torque at Surrey rolling road, standard unmatched inlets.

i think it's a bit silly to say they don't work, they are actually very good.

Dont get me wrong I can do better as they aren't perfect for any car but they are close enough that the reality is its not worth the extra cost to properly custom map on the standard cumbersome Ecu.

No idea how hes torque figure is so high, no doubt lack of air-con helps, 172 cup's always make better than 172's in general anyway but 12lb-ft more than mine is alot! I should get down Surrey RR to see what it says.