Punto/Clio GTT
Civic looks awesome imo. Also i thought on paper the civic is faster?
FM
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Civic looks awesome imo. Also i thought on paper the civic is faster?
FM
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
knowbody mentioned the price tag....it was about the performance
The idea of going fast on a bike holds too many risks,,I.E other drivers of cars
If i make a mistake on a bike i die or eat soup forever or collect mobility allowance,in a car i clip the kerb and count the cost in my pocket not my health.....Every year culling season starts for bikes around north wales...ive lost count of the number of times ive been held up by some biker who has gone of the road or into another car and died....its really sad,your just going out for the day and someones life has ended ....They are far to risky...IMHO
Plus you say its really cool but you all look like a bunch of power rangers riding around,thats not cool,you look silly....By the way 1% of traffic is bikes......7% of fatalities on british roads is bikes
ian
[Edited by ian 172 on 15 November 2004 at 9:25pm]
Quote: Originally posted by ken182 on 15 November 2004
on paper it is yeah. but the vtec isnt very usable apparently. i for one would find it irritating.. plus the steering is meant to be really numb etc
drive one then pass comment. they are very different animals but both very capable cars just the way the power is delivered and the handling is totally different. two different and very valid/good solutions to making a hothatch IMO. and before you ask yes i have driven a ctr i do so on a regular basis so i speak from experience.
Obviously never ridden then... Really dont understand what its about... OK bikes do carry more risk than driving a car but for me the pleasure far outweighs the risk. I love the way bikes are a lifestyle and not just a mode of transport... And it is the best way of getting around.. Try a bit of road in your car then go on the same stretch on a bike... no comparison.
and as for your 7% statistic.. at least half is due to car drivers lack of awareness... The amount of old men/women, young lasses in fiestas and white vans that just dont look around them is ridiculous. Its a fact that bikers also make better car drivers. my road awareness has improved 10fold since riding..
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Ken182,
Where does the fact that bikers make better car drivers come from ???
If thats an opinion then fair enough but if its a fact where does that come from ?
On the bike vs car thing and ultimate performance, Driven put a race bike against a F1 car. Bike lost by a huge margin, and that was just a straight line drag. On a track my moneys on the F1 car.
On the CTR v 182, Ive also driven the 04 CTR and owned a 172, I would pick 182. OK so its technically a 182, but the 172 had much more fluid handling and more punch lower down the rev range. It was so much more chuckable in the bends and is better equipped.
Quote: Originally posted by ken182 on 15 November 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 15 November 2004Quote: Originally posted by ken182 on 15 November 2004 on paper it is yeah. but the vtec isnt very usable apparently. i for one would find it irritating.. plus the steering is meant to be really numb etc
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drive one then pass comment. they are very different animals but both very capable cars just the way the power is delivered and the handling is totally different. two different and very valid/good solutions to making a hothatch IMO. and before you ask yes i have driven a ctr i do so on a regular basis so i speak from experience. [/QUOTE]I have driven one (a phase 1 ctr) and thought it was a good car yeah. Just couldnt live with the vtec. on a good twisty b road it would be a hindrence in my opinion..
learn to use that fantastic gearbox properly then. its there to exploit the nature of the engine. if it had a 5 speed box like the clio i agree it would be toss, but it has 6 cogs with a brilliantly precise and short thow shift.
Quote: Originally posted by Funkyjahooner on 15 November 2004
Ken182,
Where does the fact that bikers make better car drivers come from ???
If thats an opinion then fair enough but if its a fact where does that come from ?
The BMF researched it. Bikers gnerally have better awareness. Speaking from experience it is 100% true. U learn so much more about defensive driving and awareness. Everyone should do a CBT before learning to drive
the bike rider vs car driver debate i can totally understand bikers frustration with the car drivers that drive about in a daze but equally most of us will have had to put up with t**sers on bikes who each time you check your mirrors are in a different one, one side then the other then the rearview i mean give us a chance we need to concentrate on whats happenin in front too. then theres the idoits who think they are foggy and use the road like its a superbike circuit and the pushy pricks who in rushhour will cross the white line to pass the stationary traffic on their side forcing everyone on the other side of the road over towards the kerb almost taking out wing mirrors as they go rather than being patient like everyone else.
I agree bike racing is far more exciting than watching car racing these days (F1 is the ultimate bore).
Pounds for speed you cant beat a bike, that simple, where else can you do 0-60 in 2.5 and 0-100 in 6.2 seconds and top speed of 185mph for less than £10K new??? only on a bike.
However bike riders are dying at a huge rate these days, only 1% of vehicles yet a huge number die or are very badly injured.
I have lost two mates to bike accidents.
Back on Topic, I would expect the 182 to beat a CTR
Simon.
Hear Hear
Superbike is a tuned road engine... I mean u can go to cresent and buy the parts of the shelf for your road bike.. Hardly F1 standard is it?
One more point... Schumacher= robot, boring, nonce, F1 killing, dull.... Rossi= entertaining, crowd pleasing, sport promoting sheer talent..
Cant compare the two sports.. different leagues... one is actually worth watching!
Punto/Clio GTT
Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 15 November 2004
Really?? I find car racing really boring these days.
Simon.
You should have watched the WRC
FM
your right is a very interesting discussion and always nice to see others opinions. i have watched some bike racing found that also very interesting how they manage to be so close to the floor at such speeds and not lay the bike i dont no, also ive been watching when the back wheel is sliding every now and then because their pushing the bike to the limit just before it slides, impressive stuff
Quote: Originally posted by ken182 on 15 November 2004
at least rossi makes it intresting. could have stayed wit HRC but didnt... and he beat gibenau on the 2nd to last corner.. only had to finish 3rd to take the title..
thats entertainment
Agree, would have been nice if MS had left Ferrari and gone to a lesser team as Rossi did, would have made a better season (imho) and proved if MS was good or whether it was just Ferraris awesome car....???
Bike racing is almost always Wheel to Wheel racing with masses over overtaking in a race, F1 viewers get excited if they get someone overtake every other race...lol
Simon.
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Dont forget, Schumacher did that back in 96Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 15 November 2004
Quote: Originally posted by ken182 on 15 November 2004
at least rossi makes it intresting. could have stayed wit HRC but didnt... and he beat gibenau on the 2nd to last corner.. only had to finish 3rd to take the title..
thats entertainment
Agree, would have been nice if MS had left Ferrari and gone to a lesser team as Rossi did, would have made a better season (imho) and proved if MS was good or whether it was just Ferraris awesome car....???
Bike racing is almost always Wheel to Wheel racing with masses over overtaking in a race, F1 viewers get excited if they get someone overtake every other race...lol
Simon.
I love bike racing too though, when i got my Bike licence it made me see just how talented good bike riders really are
Quote: Originally posted by jongsr4 on 15 November 2004
Dont forget, Schumacher did that back in 96Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 15 November 2004
Quote: Originally posted by ken182 on 15 November 2004
at least rossi makes it intresting. could have stayed wit HRC but didnt... and he beat gibenau on the 2nd to last corner.. only had to finish 3rd to take the title..
thats entertainment
Agree, would have been nice if MS had left Ferrari and gone to a lesser team as Rossi did, would have made a better season (imho) and proved if MS was good or whether it was just Ferraris awesome car....???
Bike racing is almost always Wheel to Wheel racing with masses over overtaking in a race, F1 viewers get excited if they get someone overtake every other race...lol
Simon.
I love bike racing too though, when i got my Bike licence it made me see just how talented good bike riders really are
Yes and 96 and 97 where good seasons, maybe he should have done it again in 98...
Simon.
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