frayz
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Frayz's Inferno 182 - Back in the old flame
MrBlonde
ClioSport Club Member
To go along with the M1144 or just match them like for like?.I guess most maybe put off by how much & surprised and how much uprated rear pads are.
I have M1144 front pads,Braided lines all round with Castrol React Performance fluid & standard rear pads,they fell good to be honest with a firm pedal all the time.
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
If you have 1144 in front and like them, just add the same to the rears. They will have the same bite and torque characteristics so will behave like OEM in terms of balance.
MrBlonde
ClioSport Club Member
I didnt like them at first but now there in the 182 they seem to work better or could be just down to better brake fluid & having rear braided hoses on the 182 than to the cup which just had front braided hoses & pagid fluid🤷🏼♂️
MrBlonde
ClioSport Club Member
Just realised i thought this was your brake pad thread🤦🏼♂️
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Stance? 😂
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Managed to go for my first socially distanced drive out yesterday and caught up with @MrBlonde in his minty fresh Titanium and his friend Will in his lovely black Meg. Took a leisurely jaunt out to Bradwell and even stopped for some snaps. So nice to get out and drive for just the enjoyment of it.
Oh and i put my new Pagid pads in this morning so tonight will be some after hours bedding in post lateshift
Oh and i put my new Pagid pads in this morning so tonight will be some after hours bedding in post lateshift
Jekyll
ClioSport Club Member
Love that side shot! (3rd pic)
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Really need to get my DSLR out and not rely on an old iPhone 6S 😂
Jekyll
ClioSport Club Member
What DSLR do you have?
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Well it was brand new at the time, an old Nikon D80.
I no longer own a PC to even save them to, i don't do technology too well
Jekyll
ClioSport Club Member
I have a few lenses you can use if you want? F mounts, so should fit.
But irrelevant as you have no laptop to load them onto.
But irrelevant as you have no laptop to load them onto.
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Cheers for the offer Mark , however, at the moment mate, im better off with a paint bush and getting my Bob Ross on
MrBlonde
ClioSport Club Member
MrBlonde
ClioSport Club Member
Ash J
ClioSport Club Member
Sunflower Ph1 172
Great update Frayz.
Colour looks awesome in the sun
Be interested to know your thoughts on RSL29's once you've had a chance to bed them in. Ran them on a previous car (M135i) and they were awesome, so would be keen to know how they perform on the Clio.
Colour looks awesome in the sun
Be interested to know your thoughts on RSL29's once you've had a chance to bed them in. Ran them on a previous car (M135i) and they were awesome, so would be keen to know how they perform on the Clio.
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Bedded them in to the letter in the early hours after late shift last night and then drove home at a constant 50mph or so to allow them to cool slowly.Great update Frayz.
Colour looks awesome in the sun
Be interested to know your thoughts on RSL29's once you've had a chance to bed them in. Ran them on a previous car (M135i) and they were awesome, so would be keen to know how they perform on the Clio.
I have RS29s all round on my Cayman and also ran them in the Impreza and Mini GP. So I’ve no doubt at all they will be as good as they always are. Even pre bedded in i was easily activating the ABS with the car on R888s!!
You really feel the added bite from the rear axle too and the brakes instantly felt a lot more confidence inspiring than they have to date.
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Well that’s the pads properly bedded in and heat cycled. They’re no longer yellow anyway. Ha.
Obviously not put them on track yet but the initial impressions were exactly as I was expecting. Good bite, solid pedal and loads of feel. Finally have brakes that inspire confidence when pressing on.
Also, zero squeal. 🐷
Also had my front belts re webbed in black, looking forward to getting these in and doing away with the continually dirty silver.
Obviously not put them on track yet but the initial impressions were exactly as I was expecting. Good bite, solid pedal and loads of feel. Finally have brakes that inspire confidence when pressing on.
Also, zero squeal. 🐷
Also had my front belts re webbed in black, looking forward to getting these in and doing away with the continually dirty silver.
FLOL at the "paint" on those pads now.. looks like you may have had a small thermal incident down there
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
The paint's sacrificial anyway, the coatings never survive too well after a proper heat cycle anyway.FLOL at the "paint" on those pads now.. looks like you may have had a small thermal incident down there
I followed Pagids bedding procedure to the letter and its pretty brutal in terms of thermal loading, however ive always doe it the way they say and never had an issue, its just not pretty lol.
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Yeah, had a company re-web them as i wanted them new.
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
I haven't looked, mostly blue i think lol
dann2707
ClioSport Club Member
Nice choice mate. Glad it all went smoothly
Just because they're black doesnt mean they're not absolutely hanging 😂
lol the flash makes them look way worse
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
So she’s started getting grumpy on cold start and developed a cold misfire that clears within a few hundred yds.
Only on cold start, so wonder if this is an injector or temp sender going down.
She’s knocking on 125k now so either way I thought she could use a fresh set.
So fitted 4 new plugs and 4 new genuine Marrelli injectors tonight.
Plugs removed all looked clean with no nasty signs. All injectors also have perfect resistance between 14.6 and 14.8ohms
Certainly seems to start and idle cleaner, time will tell in the morning.
Only on cold start, so wonder if this is an injector or temp sender going down.
She’s knocking on 125k now so either way I thought she could use a fresh set.
So fitted 4 new plugs and 4 new genuine Marrelli injectors tonight.
Plugs removed all looked clean with no nasty signs. All injectors also have perfect resistance between 14.6 and 14.8ohms
Certainly seems to start and idle cleaner, time will tell in the morning.
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Pleased to say this morning starting and idle was perfect and back to the usual but still somewhat grumbly standard Clio sport idle.
No misfire or hesitation at all and feel like it pulls much smoother and cleaner throughout. Not sure if maybe a plug was starting to go or what, but certainly feels like it was probably down on power a little previously .
Speaking of power, now the chassis is pretty much where i want it, its crying out for some more poke.
I'd love to stay NA if there could be a noticeable and worthwhile improvement to be had, but the allure of force feeding the little F4R is also there.
What do do?
No misfire or hesitation at all and feel like it pulls much smoother and cleaner throughout. Not sure if maybe a plug was starting to go or what, but certainly feels like it was probably down on power a little previously .
Speaking of power, now the chassis is pretty much where i want it, its crying out for some more poke.
I'd love to stay NA if there could be a noticeable and worthwhile improvement to be had, but the allure of force feeding the little F4R is also there.
What do do?
Ash J
ClioSport Club Member
Sunflower Ph1 172
Nice work Frayz, glad to hear it seems to be back to full health. Out of interest, assume the ECU is completely stock on yours (no map/RS Tuner)?
As for forced induction, personal opinion is to leave it as it is. I think the engine in these cars, coupled with the "out the box" suspension and handling characteristics is what make these cars such a hoot. The fact you can extract every bit of performance out of it without doing stupid speeds is the appeal to me (I've been there with 400-450hp cars). When you go down the forced induction route, it starts to takes away some of the "usable" fun for me. I also just like the ability to rev out an NA engine. Just my opinion of course!
That said, because your chassis/drivetrain setup is so capable (R888's, AST's, Quaife, Roll Centre Kit), this exposes the reality that they only have around 170-180hp. On a standard car, I'd definitely be tempted to keep it NA as not to overwhelm the chassis/suspension. But on your car, there is an argument more power would not be detrimental at all.
If I was ever to go with forced induction on mine (and I don't plan on it!), I think I would opt for a supercharger kit over a turbo setup, for the linearity and because it would be more in keeping with the characteristics of the NA setup. Plus (hopefully!)... supercharger whine!
I have thought about ITB's or an RS2 setup on mine (as I say, want to keep NA) but I don't think it will happen. Can certainly see the appeal of the turbo kits, much more bang for your buck compared to ITB's or an RS2 which cost similar if not more!
Anyway, I'm sure you have some thinking to do. It's not like I have seen a couple of supercharger kits (one a Rotrex) come up for sale recently...
As for forced induction, personal opinion is to leave it as it is. I think the engine in these cars, coupled with the "out the box" suspension and handling characteristics is what make these cars such a hoot. The fact you can extract every bit of performance out of it without doing stupid speeds is the appeal to me (I've been there with 400-450hp cars). When you go down the forced induction route, it starts to takes away some of the "usable" fun for me. I also just like the ability to rev out an NA engine. Just my opinion of course!
That said, because your chassis/drivetrain setup is so capable (R888's, AST's, Quaife, Roll Centre Kit), this exposes the reality that they only have around 170-180hp. On a standard car, I'd definitely be tempted to keep it NA as not to overwhelm the chassis/suspension. But on your car, there is an argument more power would not be detrimental at all.
If I was ever to go with forced induction on mine (and I don't plan on it!), I think I would opt for a supercharger kit over a turbo setup, for the linearity and because it would be more in keeping with the characteristics of the NA setup. Plus (hopefully!)... supercharger whine!
I have thought about ITB's or an RS2 setup on mine (as I say, want to keep NA) but I don't think it will happen. Can certainly see the appeal of the turbo kits, much more bang for your buck compared to ITB's or an RS2 which cost similar if not more!
Anyway, I'm sure you have some thinking to do. It's not like I have seen a couple of supercharger kits (one a Rotrex) come up for sale recently...
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Nice work Frayz, glad to hear it seems to be back to full health. Out of interest, assume the ECU is completely stock on yours (no map/RS Tuner)?
As for forced induction, personal opinion is to leave it as it is. I think the engine in these cars, coupled with the "out the box" suspension and handling characteristics is what make these cars such a hoot. The fact you can extract every bit of performance out of it without doing stupid speeds is the appeal to me (I've been there with 400-450hp cars). When you go down the forced induction route, it starts to takes away some of the "usable" fun for me. I also just like the ability to rev out an NA engine. Just my opinion of course!
That said, because your chassis/drivetrain setup is so capable (R888's, AST's, Quaife, Roll Centre Kit), this exposes the reality that they only have around 170-180hp. On a standard car, I'd definitely be tempted to keep it NA as not to overwhelm the chassis/suspension. But on your car, there is an argument more power would not be detrimental at all.
If I was ever to go with forced induction on mine (and I don't plan on it!), I think I would opt for a supercharger kit over a turbo setup, for the linearity and because it would be more in keeping with the characteristics of the NA setup. Plus (hopefully!)... supercharger whine!
I have thought about ITB's or an RS2 setup on mine (as I say, want to keep NA) but I don't think it will happen. Can certainly see the appeal of the turbo kits, much more bang for your buck compared to ITB's or an RS2 which cost similar if not more!
Anyway, I'm sure you have some thinking to do. It's not like I have seen a couple of supercharger kits (one a Rotrex) come up for sale recently...
All very valid points Ash, and having well trodden the big power road car route, its a slippery slope.
NA, as you say provides all the theatre of that induction hammer and that zingy fizz to the redline. ITBs don't really interest me on a daily as i want to keep my AC, cruise etc, so if i were to head that way then an RS2 would probably be as far as id end up. The other advantage of the RS2 particularly is its cost of ownership, as from what i see, they lose very little money should you decide to sell it on. All sensors remain and its a very OEM+ type setup.
Its funny really as for as long as the Clio has been around, there doesn't seem to be a clean route to NA performance as so many folk have had ITBs/RS2s/cams blah blah and some get results and others are left wondering where it all went wrong?
The other and easiest option for staying sensible NA is just some group n timing and a map.
As for superchargers, i agree the linear power is very much in keeping with the NA delivery of the car but i have only seen Rotrex kits for these of which you don't get that lovely whine from a roots type blower as fitted to a Mini Cooper S for example. You also lose the AC which is a pain, and there is quite a bit of cost/complexity to the system and from what i see, quite an expensive route to take and not as flexible as a turbocharger.
Turbocharging is a well trodden path with lots of Clio turbos around now. Also very future proof, flexible and tuneable. Less complexity but reliability is a concern from the general trend you see of people turbocharging and then selling soon after. I am very familiar with turbocharging and its limitations and the main area that needs addressing is heat management. As a low boost setup its also easily reversible. The big appeal is the performance vs cost and the increase in low down torque which lends itself to a lot of usable power on the road. The other issue with turbocharging is knowing where to stop, as i fear that once you have invested in turbocharging, the want for more torque rapidly comes on.
As we have already said, its all about keeping the cars useable, reliable and within their design parameters.
Its a topic that's been talked to death, i just need to read as much as i can and make some kind of decision as to which route i go.
gambit
ClioSport Club Member
182 Trophy
I think i can chime in hear speaking from experience as i own a 182 Trophy that is largely untouched bar a PMS catback with 200cell cat and an RStuner, whilst my daily is a supercharged 182 that's set up for fast road daily use. It has a standard bottom end and low boost restrictor in place for the Rotrex C30-94. I often delight in deciding which car to take out for a spirited drive.
The Trophy is just delightful when i want to appreciate what Renault Sport had in mind when designing the car, every aspect of the driving experience is easily accessible at any speed. As you know it does not take much to get a great sense of speed in it. Being n/a the sense of speed i get from the car translates to a great sense of engagement with the car. It's a serene and engaged driving experience. I plan to up the potential of the power plant of the engine in future with matched inlets, ported heads, and cams on Group N timing, with the stock airbox with panel filter. It needs to look completely OE but with just a tad more hp.
As a contrast the supercharged 182 has a Jekyll and Hyde character to it. Its sublimely restrained just like an n/a when not pushing in traffic. You can easily coast it around without a care in the world. However its mapped with a Gen90 and the tuning could be vastly refined for daily driving. It feels like its mapped into 3 stages, completely benign, flat and hollow and then all out mental crazy, which translates to its character on the road. Most of the time in daily driving its benign and then flat and hollow. However when you purposefully get in the car and intend to take it for a blast, grab it by the scruff of its neck, look out its a beast and in beast mode watch out! I have had drives and think bloody hell what is this thing! It shoots and spits flames on shifts, roars like nothing else.
Take what you will from that and let me know if there's more i can say to help you decide.
The Trophy is just delightful when i want to appreciate what Renault Sport had in mind when designing the car, every aspect of the driving experience is easily accessible at any speed. As you know it does not take much to get a great sense of speed in it. Being n/a the sense of speed i get from the car translates to a great sense of engagement with the car. It's a serene and engaged driving experience. I plan to up the potential of the power plant of the engine in future with matched inlets, ported heads, and cams on Group N timing, with the stock airbox with panel filter. It needs to look completely OE but with just a tad more hp.
As a contrast the supercharged 182 has a Jekyll and Hyde character to it. Its sublimely restrained just like an n/a when not pushing in traffic. You can easily coast it around without a care in the world. However its mapped with a Gen90 and the tuning could be vastly refined for daily driving. It feels like its mapped into 3 stages, completely benign, flat and hollow and then all out mental crazy, which translates to its character on the road. Most of the time in daily driving its benign and then flat and hollow. However when you purposefully get in the car and intend to take it for a blast, grab it by the scruff of its neck, look out its a beast and in beast mode watch out! I have had drives and think bloody hell what is this thing! It shoots and spits flames on shifts, roars like nothing else.
Take what you will from that and let me know if there's more i can say to help you decide.
frayz
ClioSport Club Member
So finally nabbed some time to fit the black seatbelts and remove the rear bench. Black belts are standard equipment in almost all cars yet i really think they look better in here. The rear bench was never used even with the OEM seats in place, and absolutely cannot be accessed with the Pole Positions now fitted.
So as they were purely still there for decoration, I’ve decided to remove them and further add to my Clubsport theme.
So for a bit of fun, I had the boot mat embroidered with a logo i made up.
Lastly was the arrival of some 0.9mm wall T45 tube for another idea I have, so check back for updates on that.
So as they were purely still there for decoration, I’ve decided to remove them and further add to my Clubsport theme.
So for a bit of fun, I had the boot mat embroidered with a logo i made up.
Lastly was the arrival of some 0.9mm wall T45 tube for another idea I have, so check back for updates on that.
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frayz
ClioSport Club Member
Thanks chap, like most of the good bits, you could buy another 182 with what they cost, but the Pole Positions are worth their money all day.
Undecided at the mo if i go for a rear cage or just a boot net as per the Golf Clubsport S.
As long as the level of finish is that of an OEM or near OEM, i'll be happy.
Still undecided on which route to take on some extra poke too so ive loads of ideas for it.
Looks great as always! How you finding the noise with the seats removed?