NO offence but all turbos are unreliable if not looked after. Especially when they get old. had the boost cranked up too high etc. Fiestas don;t handle at all compared with a clio(mk3 fessys i mean) they never will handle as well. They aint that fast either. I do like a mint fessy turbo though but Im not a ford man im afraid. They just make poo cars.
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FRST - Should I Stay OR Should I Go
- Thread starter Mikey16vClio
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NO offence but all turbos are unreliable if not looked after. Especially when they get old. had the boost cranked up too high etc. Fiestas don;t handle at all compared with a clio(mk3 fessys i mean) they never will handle as well. They aint that fast either. I do like a mint fessy turbo though but Im not a ford man im afraid. They just make poo cars.
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
Ive found a gem & dont worry i aint stupid; more details soon if i get this 1.
Thanx for all the opinions.
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
OK, i prefer my Valver too but ive considered all this and know a guy who can fit and fix stuff at a good rate and like i said ive found a gem i think. I want something that i can tune with-out spending 1000s.
Will post with an up-date soon.
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
BenR; care to explain why the CVH is horiiiiiiiiiid!?
They can take more BHP with-out the unreliability of the 5 if used sensibly IMO.
i do like the look of a fiesta turbo. My friend owned one and it had the loudest dump valve EVER. He let me drive it loads and i really enjoyed hooning it around, especially when it came on boost. It was pretty quick. Only thing i didnt like was the steering - weirdly heavy and felt a bit fragile? Loved the recaros, really hugged you into it. I think he upped it to 160 bhp or there abouts, but i think he cooked it too?! Nice looking car.
Ive also heard the engine is bad?
they can make more power becuase they hold an extra 200cc, and an extra 500cc if you stump for the US spec 1900 block.
The GTT cam make 300bhp just as easy and at teh same cost as a 1900CVH, which basically means, not cheaply and not easily. LArge turbos cost ALOT.
The CVH is not a nice engine personally. Poor valve train design, its has not so good oil supply leading to excessive wear on the cam and tappets, and when this happens you have to replace the lot as old tappets on a new cam will wear it within seconds fo running, and vice versa for teh lifters. you need to run quality oil as clogging will result form oil depostits in teh tiny oil galleys which feed the cam. High spring poundages yet still a low rpm limit before float so on and on, it can make the power but you have to look after it and check everything.
Those cures in a bottle will be even less use on it.
If your looking for a reliable low maintanence engine, the CVH isnt it.
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
I thought u were just ripping the RST engine?
The Mk2 is the ugliest car ever built! All down to a matter of opinion mate.
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
True Ford people aint my kinda people, i appreciate all good cars and like the Mk3 Golf over the Mk2 for looks but the Mk1 Golf GTi is awesome for looks. The Mk4 Fiesta is toss aswell IMO!
Escort Cossies are something else IMO. Easirly tunable to over 350BHP unlike the Scoobies of this world.
If we all liked the same cars the World would be a boring place to live.
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
LOL Where can i seek professional help?
Narr there too heavy and no turbo version.
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
Mk3 over the Mk2 for looks!
U seriously dont like the Escort Cosworth?
no, its a horrid std chassis with saph cossie 4x4 running gear slotted underneith.
Its slow, handles horribly and is totally overated. Its crude, and the YBT is a good engine, not a great one, 500bhp form one is fine, but the amount of lag you get from even 350bhp is pure stooopid. The engine is also heavy. Not one thing i like about the car, the engine is 80s technology, the turbo keeps it up to date, in NA form youll see that the YB doesnt make that much power. hand me a sierra RS500, only cossie worth having.
An evo will rape a cossie, but im not a fan of these fad awd computer gixmo cars.
I recently raced a fairly highly tuned FRST along some dual carriageways near Cardiff. It was pretty much neck and neck until 5th gear, when I was pulling away a bit. But I was very impressed by the grip the car had, easily as much as my Valver.
I went onto http://www.fiestaturbo.comwww.fiestaturbo.com and http://www.rsownersclub.comwww.rsownersclub.com and subsequently found out who it was and the full spec of the car (he was on the way to an RS Owners meet). It was a 180+bhp flyer with coilovers, but still using the original bottom end rather than a 2.1 or something. OK, so my Valver is already tuned, but its not that much faster than a standard 16v. Id say that if youre hoping to get into a faster car than the Valver, then youre going to be disappointed with a FRST unless you get into serious tuning and serious money.
The power delivery that a turbo gives can make it seem a lot faster than it is and IMO youd be better off getting the F7R 2.0 bottom end slapped onto the Valver: Willys and 2.0 Valvers seem to be putting in better 1/4 miles times than most Cups and V6s. Failing that, it seems to me that youd be spending a fair bit of money to make a FRST noticeably faster than a Valver, so why not save for a BB conversion or a GT Turbo transplant? I have expereinced first hand that the FRST isnt a bad handler given select suspension mods, but the Valver is a far better starting point for that IMO.
If you really are taking the leap to the FRST, then good luck and I think its fair to say that the Ford RS lot are a good bunch. But do it with your eyes and ears open my friend!
I would say most comments on here are pretty fair - its all down to opinion! Have you driven a FRST yet Mikey? It is crude (BenR used for the cossie
) and no power steering makes a big difference too! Its unrefined and noisy. You really have to make sure its for you.It has great mechanical grip combined with torque steer. It dependes on what you want - I like the MK3 looks way over the R5 and that alone would swing me
(im vain). The guys that own these cars generally know the good and the bad about them - there not the worlds greatist cars but not the worst either. The power/speed thing seems to differ between fezzies. My 165bhp was identical to a classic 218bhp scoob in a straight line!Defo faster than my Williams especially from 90+. Some Others dont seem to get the same results with more power
mind you tuning is a strange world - some people mod there car and never get it RRd - add up all the BHPs adn claim some stupid power. The T2 spins up from 1200 revs so it doesnt feel like a normal turbo (no real kick in the back like a R5)Oh and the RSTs I owned were mint to start with and very well looked after - get a dog and you will have nothing but trouble.
This lad here (dunno if he uses cliosport) reccomended the Williams to me when I had my FRST - He had a FRST (chipped) and a 16V at the same time - Hes kept the 16v and is turboing it http://www.fiestaturbo.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48381http://www.fiestaturbo.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48381
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
Yeah, i have drove a good FRST but tbh i like the raw drive from the older manual steering 1s and i know they are not as refined as the Clio 16v.
I plan on Gaz coilovers and a stage 1 165+BHP on T2 for no lag to start with. Im gonna save some cash for any work however minor to be done asap as well so i can then think about tuning. I know a mate who i can source all the info i need on them and can buy some of his used parts.
Im selling my Clio to start the search.
If you think about it Ford replaced the fiesta turbo for the RS1800. twin cam 16v like a valver. Obviously was thr way forward
.Have a drive in one and see what you think. Make sure you check around the petrol cap and on the sills. take a bit of the carpet up to check for rot and crash damage. There are a lot of sh*tters. also check your insurance. They are like 15-16 groups not 11-12 like a valver. I could keep up with my mates that was an absolute gem. Sold it for 4k too and hed spent that on work on it.
i never said r5s were unreliable, they only get unreliable if you mod them without thinking,
like i said before GET ONE!!!! frst IS w**k cvh engine is poo poo
i always wanted a frst, when i turned 21 decided to have a look spent ages looking as i wanted as near to standard as poss for the insurance,
i spent months but they were all sh*gged
one had a new turbo, so new in fact that if id have got their a few hours earlier i could have fitted it myself !!
the car was well f*cked and it was a garage selling it,
i even looked at a moondust silver k reg one of 50, and yes it was f*cked too (all of the cars were between £3000-4000) so its not like i was scrimping.
bought a 16v in the end and never regretted it,
the good turbos never seem to come up for sale !
Mazda 2, MX5 Mk2.5 Sport
not being funny but I dont think the rs1800 was a replacment for the RST......its slower than my XR2i 1.6 cvh which is what it replaced, they just stopped making the RSTQuote: Originally posted by Paul16V on 30 May 2003
If you think about it Ford replaced the fiesta turbo for the RS1800. twin cam 16v like a valver. Obviously was thr way forward
Have a drive in one and see what you think. Make sure you check around the petrol cap and on the sills. take a bit of the carpet up to check for rot and crash damage. There are a lot of sh*tters. also check your insurance. They are like 15-16 groups not 11-12 like a valver. I could keep up with my mates that was an absolute gem. Sold it for 4k too and hed spent that on work on it.
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
Went to look at 1 today and the guy couldnt tell his arse from his ear hole! He seemed alright but didnt have a clue about cars and needless to say hadnt looked after it at all!
I rang him and told me he had receipts for the new turbo; got down there and it was smoking like a chimney!
Anyway ive got a LONG wait but ill find the 1!
Are you saying you handbag is bigger than mine Rob?
Mikey you will get a lot of that! I travelled 600miles for each of mine and 500 miles for my Willie! Had a few trips that turned out to be a waste of time for similar reasons to yours!
I use a autotrader search for the whole UK and off I go!!
end of the day... you will get ur turbo... but end of the day... its still a ford. so its still crap
and i hope u have lots of cash for new front tyres. coz the FRSTs have crap traction on the front. snail will beat u off the line if u try hammering it. the wheels will just spin. *they did in the 2 ive been in and standard*
id get a R5GTT. its faster than most small engined turbo cars.
Hi all,
this is gonna be controversial but here gos...
Someone threw the idea of a g40 in there, and it was slated cos theyre ugly(i dont agree myself but..) why not go a little bit bigger and try a golf G60???
ok so they are left hook but if you go over to germany and have a look out there you can get one with ALLLLLLLL the toys for less than 3k and they can cheaply be modded to around 200bhp, 240 if ur willing to put a bit more cash in there????
My big bro just imported an oettinger factory tuned one. its running 210 standard and i think its the f**kin nuts!!!! can get loadsa info on the guy who sells em in germany too if anyones interested.
one last thing, and this is really gonna get me some sh*t!!!!! the VW scene seems to be a lot more mature than the ford one. i can imagine ford shows being like them saxo boys at the FCS on steroids! lots of redlining and wheel spinnage. its not needed really is it????
Shorty_mk1
yeah, G40s and G60s are real gems but when they are tuned the VW build quality goes out the window. my mates went through 3 gearboxs in about 50k after he had it tuned to 190BHP. getting the power down is also pretty difficult, 17s are a necessity, even then, there was a stage 4 jabba sport G60 at york the other week who was running late 15s. these things have 190+bhp in a lightweight shell, once goin they are un-beateble but by the time they manage to get the power down most hot hatches are already doing 40mph. defo one to think about but im still sticking with my first suggestion, megane bottom end! you will not regret it mike!
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
Back to topic:
SOLD & THE SEARCH IS ON! (c wanted post)
I will keep checking in on cliosport though which has been usefull to me by helping me understand my motor and knowing whats the best stuff, etc.
There have been a lot of people whove given me advice so i thank u and may even stick a cliosport sticker on my FRST as i will always hav a soft spot for the 16v/Williams. Some top people on this site and if i could have afforded to turbo/2lt tune my 16v then i would have but off to fiestaturbo.com i go.
PS: Ill look forward to seeing the responses when a certain clio vs a saff cossie video gets posted.
If your checking out FT.com there is a "views on the R5 GTT" thread on the go if your still undecided on the R5/RS thing. Most peeps over there like em.
http://www.fiestaturbo.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48832http://www.fiestaturbo.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48832http://http://www.fiestaturbo.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48832
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
Does sound like the R5 is better value for money but a black FRST is nice!
http://www.gardner169.freeserve.co.uk/44.jpg
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