Help Needed! I Think its bad...

[Carlv8415]

Driving around then suddenly stop light and battery light illuminated then went out and as i slowed down engine started making a really horrible noise. Managed to get it home and on idle makes a really loud knocking noise. Turned it off for a while then turned it back on and it struggled to turn over almost like the battery was low.

Help...

Here is quick video i managed to get record - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOkKs_4jgTg&feature=youtu.be

 

[The Fatty]

has it got oil in it?

 

[Daniel]

has it got oil in it?

No but it sounds as though there's a woodpecker in there.

That sounds fatal.

​(Youtube videos rarely sound like real life though so I may be completely wrong!)

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

bottom end altho mines a different engine, thats what mine sounded like when it started letting go.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Yeh that sounds like bottom End failure

 

[The Fatty]

Yeh that sounds like bottom End failure

+1, my mk1 went when it was starved of oil, be interesting to know if yours has just gone or if its gone due to something else like no oil.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

might be saveable depending on whats gone, thats IF you dont continue to use it like that.

so your left with two options, chuck another lump in or fix yours ( dependent on inspection)

 

[Dan@SJM]

i reckon it's spun a shell.

 

[Carlv8415]

Going to get it in the garage Monday. Knocking sounds like to coming from the top end. Can it be repaired or would I need a new engine ?

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

i reckon it's spun a shell.

reground crank and oversized shells? or is that nearly impossible on F4R's

 

[Carlv8415]

It was fine then just as I slowed down to come off the carriage way it happened.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Going to get it in the garage Monday. Knocking sounds like to coming from the top end. Can it be repaired or would I need a new engine ?

its depends on inspection, whats gone before the conclusion can be made. hope your taking it to a trader? renault will just fob you off on that lol

exactly what happened to my dci when the engine first went tits up. motorway run, came back to normal speeds and thumper started playing in the engine

 

[Carlv8415]

Taking it to my local garage as I don't want to drive it far

 

[Dan@SJM]

reground crank and oversized shells? or is that nearly impossible on F4R's

I think you can get ACL's in oversize. Time and effort it's cheaper to drop another lump in.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Taking it to my local garage as I don't want to drive it far

Don't drive it full stop. Get it recovered.

 

[Carlv8415]

As a ball park figure how much to repair it ?

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

I think you can get ACL's in oversize. Time and effort it's cheaper to drop another lump in.

true, cost me about 500 to get my bottom end redone after it failed. dci engines aint cheap tho, BUt 500 gets a bare bones f4r on here usually( without timing redone )

 

[Dan@SJM]

true, cost me about 500 to get my bottom end redone after it failed. dci engines aint cheap tho, BUt 500 gets a bare bones f4r on here usually( without timing redone )

£350 will get you an f4r lol.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

As a ball park figure how much to repair it ?

you can only guess mate, get it recovered and sent off for a inspection. depending on what had gone, you then make the choice on the costs involved.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

£350 will get you an f4r lol.

even cheaper then lol.

i picked the wrong type engine

 

[Dan@SJM]

As a ball park figure how much to repair it ?

Assuming its goosed, you supply an engine. £350 to remove and fit the new one including new fluids.

 

[Carlv8415]

you can only guess mate, get it recovered and sent off for a inspection. depending on what had gone, you then make the choice on the costs involved.

Engine only got 55k on the clock. Get it towed to garage Monday and wait a quote unless anyone on here could tow it and fix it

 

[Carlv8415]

has it got oil in it?

Yh Plenty...

 

[The Fatty]

must have just spun a shell then, or I suppose a valve could have dropped a bit (they normally fully drop though).

 

[Carlv8415]

must have just spun a shell then, or I suppose a valve could have dropped a bit (they normally fully drop though).

So more than likely a new engine job ?

 

[Carlv8415]

Oh and just to add the engine runs fine. Not sputtering or juddering just got a bit of a knock.

 

[Carlv8415]

Come to the conclusion it is the small end bearing as the knocking is mainly at top end and is more noticeable when you blip the throttle. May consider getting it rebuild but can get an engine for £500 and fitted for about £400, plus will be cheap to get cam belt/aux and clutch changed whilst the engine is out.

 

[SIMPLE91]

Didn't you just buy the car mate? :/

Really hope you get it sorted.

 

[Carlv8415]

Didn't you just buy the car mate? :/

Really hope you get it sorted.

Yh had it a month lol

Decided be easier to just swap the engine over.

 

[The Fatty]

Yh had it a month lol

Decided be easier to just swap the engine over.

private or dealer?

 

[Carlv8415]

Private otherwise I would be taking it back

 

[The Fatty]

if your sure its the small end, it might be cheaper to rebuild. someone like Dan could confirm this im sure.

 

[Carlv8415]

if your sure its the small end, it might be cheaper to rebuild. someone like Dan could confirm this im sure.

Ok mate I will look into it. I got it in the garage tomorrow so they will let me know.

 

[Dan@SJM]

I'd sooner drop another engine in myself...

 

[Carlv8415]

Might get an engine dropped in and then use the old one as a project engine I.e forged internals and stuff

 

[Carlv8415]

Anyone know where you can borrow/rent the locking tools for cam belt change?

 

[Russ_16v]

Come to the conclusion it is the small end bearing as the knocking is mainly at top end and is more noticeable when you blip the throttle. May consider getting it rebuild but can get an engine for £500 and fitted for about £400, plus will be cheap to get cam belt/aux and clutch changed whilst the engine is out.

I'd be looking at big ends mate - the resonance of the knocking can make it sound like it's top - I've had that in a clio before.

Tbh mate fit another engine - if it's span a shell ( which I'd lay a big bet it has) it would be cheaper to change than rebuild.

Pm dan (sjm) and see what he can do for you dude

 

[Carlv8415]

I'd be looking at big ends mate - the resonance of the knocking can make it sound like it's top - I've had that in a clio before.

Tbh mate fit another engine - if it's span a shell ( which I'd lay a big bet it has) it would be cheaper to change than rebuild.

Pm dan (sjm) and see what he can do for you dude

Yh have already messaged him and got a quote.

 

[Carlv8415]

Would a bottom end rebuild be less expensive than a whole new engine?

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

not really, you need allot more stuff to do a bottom end build. head off ect. so gaskets/ bolts and what not all add up! new engine and throw a timing kit on. job done