ilya's 172 #BECAUSE_RACE_CAR

[bloke]

the guy we use tacks the box for it to stand on then tacks the whole cage together then knocks the boxes out, drops the cage down, welds it up and then lifts back up and sorts the mountings then.


you should see how close to the shell he gets them

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

Ah I thought so! That's the same one I had in my mk2 as well. Good cage choice

Yay or nay? Used some pvc piping as template, I think in this position I can weld all around nice and clean.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Yay or nay? Used some pvc piping as template, I think in this position I can weld all around nice and clean.

Yeah looks good to me mate. Is there no way that you can access it through the hole where the seatbelt mounting point is?

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

Yeah looks good to me mate. Is there no way that you can access it through the hole where the seatbelt mounting point is?

I really don't think I can get my mig through there.

This is as close as it can be

 

[bloke]

i'd say the bar is overkill, also if you did want it i'd get it on the main hoop not where you've got it at the mo.

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

i'd say the bar is overkill, also if you did want it i'd get it on the main hoop not where you've got it at the mo.

Yeah that's the problem, I would like it on the main hoop but it's too close to bPilar to weld around it.
I am not thinking just for safety, it's already safe enough the cage bit also for rigidity of the chassis. This will link rear struts to Center of the car.

 

[bloke]

they're already on the diagonal, all you'll really be doing is adding extra weight.

on your rear loom if you split the fuel pump and sender wiring and run that over on it's own you can run the wiring for the lights along the drivers side and then across the rear to the passengers side lights, keeps 90% of it out of sight then. if you do it though you'll need to run an earth for the pump.

 

[bloke]

you could run the bar across higher up possibly if you wanted? would probably be easier to weld?

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

they're already on the diagonal, all you'll really be doing is adding extra weight.

on your rear loom if you split the fuel pump and sender wiring and run that over on it's own you can run the wiring for the lights along the drivers side and then across the rear to the passengers side lights, keeps 90% of it out of sight then. if you do it though you'll need to run an earth for the pump.

Yeah you not wrong about the weight! Trying to make it as light as possible! So you think this bars are overkill and unnecessary?
Nice tip regarding the loom! Cheers. Will think about it. Might be easier this way.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Yeah you not wrong about the weight! Trying to make it as light as possible! So you think this bars are overkill and unnecessary?
Nice tip regarding the loom! Cheers. Will think about it. Might be easier this way.

I wouldn't bother with it personally. There's more advantage to having the cage picking up where the rear axle mounting bolts are. The more weight you put in the rear, whilst it is the enemy, will also help when it comes to corner weighting.......

 

[bloke]

As mark said...

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

SEPTEMBER 2017

This weekend has been quite productive.

First thing I did was weld in new seat rails. This are 25mm CDS tubes with M8 captive nut brackets by Motamec.
Fairly easy job but time consuming.

Second on my to do list was to relocate PMS shifter closer to the driver. Unfortunately me being 6'4" and sitting quite back, reaching for the 1st and 3rd wasn't gonna cut it.
After a few tests, this is the best solution I could think of.
Cut out few inches from transmission tunnel, and make new plate to hold shifter that can be welded lower down.

Also extend the shifter shaft pin thingy (no idea what you call it

Fit it all together and woalaaa it sits 2 inches back. Almost inline with steering wheel. Happy with that.!

Welded passenger side rails as well

And finally fitted the fibreglass door(s)
Made a little beaker to go on the inside to spread the load.

Hopefully can get it ready for paint by next weekend

 

[Stuiemc]

Do you like welding by any chance?

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

Do you like welding by any chance?

lol I love it! Was just talking about it to my mate haha. Buying a Mig was best investment ever! Done a tiny bit of stick welding before but MIG is just Awsome! Only had it for a few weeks so lots to learn!

 

[Stuiemc]

lol I love it! Was just talking about it to my mate haha. Buying a Mig was best investment ever! Done a tiny bit of stick welding before but MIG is just Awsome! Only had it for a few weeks so lots to learn!

I'm just jealous! Your welding looks really good for only a few weeks practice I've done stick, mig and tig in the past but nothing serious. Are you using a shielding gas or gasless?

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

I'm just jealous! Your welding looks really good for only a few weeks practice I've done stick, mig and tig in the past but nothing serious. Are you using a shielding gas or gasless?

Thanks mate watched enough YouTube videos on welding ha ha. Yes using argon mix 5% CO2.

 

[bloke]

If you've only been using a mug for a couple of weeks you need to get yourself a tig and learn to use that, you're obviously a bit of a natural to it.

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

If you've only been using a mug for a couple of weeks you need to get yourself a tig and learn to use that, you're obviously a bit of a natural to it.

yeah got IfL Mig 170. got delivered 14th of August
i have Tig here as well. its my mates, he is welding his manifold for Scooby in alloy. never tried it. looks complicated might give it a try actually.

 

[bloke]

tig can be rewarding when you get it right

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

Few more updates from this week/weekend.
New corbeau seat got delivered. BUT! Stupid me made rails for the old seat which was XL. This one is standard.. catch my drift? So new rails had to be cut off and new OPM bolted rails on order [emoji850]and yes I have tried reposition/modify the existing but I guess my welding skills are better than I though. No way to remove with out damaging..

Next job was to remove my rear beam and get the new one fitted witch I bought from breakers while car was caged and reinforced with PMS plates. Again my stupidity or lack of knowledge made buy a one from 1.4 clio thinking he'll the must be all the same right? WRONG!
The inner torcion bar is different thickness!!
So I made a decision to swap them over.

look at the difference

so the swap was successful. And much easier than anticipated

think this should hold it [emoji4]

Ordered all new fuel lines and brake lines to run on the inside so Also decided to drop the fuel tank. Clean it and check it over

Still on the quest to modify my existing cage, and after getting some very valuable advice from @NorthloopCup @bloke @Tomotek thank you guys! Decided that best solution would be to create 2 new mounting points and tie in rear beam mounting points to existing cage. So ordered 38mm CDS and some 3mm plate.
Here is my version of the spreader plates to witch tubes will weld on to. First template

mock up with pvc pipe

actual plates

also decided to upgrade the bolts from M10 to height tensile M12

Hopefully will get the tubes this week so I can finish it up.
Also modified and fitted boot latch handle button logo holder thingy to my fibre glass boot

because I also fitted locking pins

Original locking mechanism not needed. But button protrudes to much and I didnt want to cut the boot more than i needed so basically chopped all the unnecessary bits and epoxy it all together to make a blanking plate of sorts

And made a start on the interior loom [emoji51]once it's all done will update

Renault!! What were you thinking????

head spins just looking at it. Lol.






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[bloke]

have you used the new bolts straight through the plate to hold the rear beam brackets in place? presume you have but just double checking.

have fun with the loom, i've got two in now to do...happy happy joy joy :confounded::confounded:

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

have you used the new bolts straight through the plate to hold the rear beam brackets in place? presume you have but just double checking.

have fun with the loom, i've got two in now to do...happy happy joy joy :confounded::confounded:

Yes I have. [emoji56]



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[RuskiWeldFab]

Finally 38mm tube arrived this week so I could finish the cage.

notched

Also had some 40x40mm square tube left so made this:

To fit in to this:

So now it sits like this still need to give them a quick coat of hamerlite.

Also disassembled front suspension. Some parts will be sand blasted and painted. Ready for the next stage. Although I think maybe best to pull the engine out first. What's the consensus on the engine? Through the top or drop it down?


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[AdamCup]

Out the top :up:

 

[scotiamr2t]

with the car so high on the cill stands i would just drop it down

 

[JP83]

This looks immense!

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

This looks immense!

Yeah kinda knee deep in This one
All I wanted was a cage couple of seats, better Brakes and go race ha ha


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[NorthloopCup]

Yeah kinda knee deep in This one :smile:
All I wanted was a cage couple of seats, better Brakes and go race ha ha


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I had an engine like that - just wanted 200bhp.............whoops

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

October 2017

Welded up a few glory holes in the fire wall.

Installed black series bushings for the front

And for the rear went with PMS bearing kit.

Finally OMP rails arrived

Now it's all ready to fit the seat in to its final position and measure up for harness eye hooks

Made my own bracket for the center dual hook

upside down welding is still not as enjoyable as welding on the bench haha but this will do

Think it's time to start preping for paint...

Also decided not to waste money on powder and make my own Christmass decorations he he. Sandblast-zinc primer-black hammerite

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[RuskiWeldFab]

Finally reached a milestone of sorts. Car is painted inside and out.
Colour choice: Nardo battleship grey matte.
3.5days of prep. 2 days of paint.

Prepped

Primer

Quick selfie

Finished item

smooth as silk

Now on to assembling stage...



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[BIFCAIDS]

Bravo sir

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

Engine out.
Dropped it down on the Subframe and lifted the body with a lift.

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[JamesBryan]

Awesome build!

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

Few more jobs completed.
Battery tray

Fitted both foot rests. Kinda made a mistake of not fitting before I painted the car but hey ho. I always knew I will need to do some paint touch ups later.

also attached extinguisher

Also modified the pedals slightly.
Used a vice to bend all 3 pedals to be in more central position and also move brake and gas pedals closer together. Will chance plates later

Also thanks to @Tomotek for the inspiration I made my own version of the switch panel.
Used 16mm hollow tubing and 2mm ally plate.

Also used same idea as Tomotek for steering column bracket/arms
This are go-kart M8 control arms cut to size.
And eBay bike fork clamp welded to 20mm ally rod.

cockpit starting to take shape

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[AdamCup]

Nice work !

Can you reach the switch panel strapped into the seat ?

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[RuskiWeldFab]

Nice work !

Can you reach the switch panel strapped into the seat ?

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Just about. It's a bit of a stretch if I am honest. But I do have long reach being 6'4". But this is the closest it can physically be before gear stick starts hitting it.
But to reach to master and extinguisher you need to slightly loosen the shoulder straps. But I figured if you can't undo strap to reach you are out cold and won't be able to use them either way, That's why they have 2 on the outside.


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[CZUCZU]

Really nice work with lot of welding.

 

[bloke]

Just about. It's a bit of a stretch if I am honest. But I do have long reach being 6'4". But this is the closest it can physically be before gear stick starts hitting it.
But to reach to master and extinguisher you need to slightly loosen the shoulder straps. But I figured if you can't undo strap to reach you are out cold and won't be able to use them either way, That's why they have 2 on the outside.

i'd move them, if you can't reach them without touching harness then it's pointless having them there.

 

[RuskiWeldFab]

i'd move them, if you can't reach them without touching harness then it's pointless having them there.

Hmm cool, I'll take it on board and see where else I can fit them. Thanks


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[massiveCoRbyn]

It says in the MSA blue book that you should be able to reach them when strapped into the car. Though I suspect many cars have them mounted where people can't reach them.