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Is the phase1 a future classic?
- Thread starter chipz172
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197 FF Glacier White
I believe a good example of a any RS Renault will end up an "Iconic" collectable. You only have to look through classic car mags or the retro car publications, a good example of some truly awful cars are fetching decent money. The secret it seems is originality and complete history.
Most people don't consider a 2.0 Opel Manta a classic, but you try and buy one now, I had 3, broke 2 for parts despite them being serviceable. Its all down to perception, the fact that the RS Clios have such a strong following now (just look at the membership of this forum) pretty much assures icon status in the future, and with it a "classic" status. As numbers dwindle through natural wastage, chav ownership and scrappage, prices will start to slowly strengthen, eventually, and it will be a fair time in the future, prices of what remains will rise, thats a definite. They will never be worth daft money, but I assure you that a well kept example will be worth a good price in years to come.
The strongest value will be in limited production run cars so naturally the Trophy, 172 Cup (especially as most will be butchered into track cars) and PH1 (Not limited run as such, but produced in a short run prior to the PH2 release)
Keep it standard, keep it maintained, keep it's history up and keep it. Better still, buy a cracker while they are cheap, stick it in your gently heated and ventilated garage and enjoy it in 15 years time when you can't find one anywhere! clever money would buy a minter from europe and store that, they are mad about cars, Left hookers are more expensive (european second hand car prices are shocking!) I've seen pretty ordinary cars get daft money at european classic events, they're bonkers!
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Most people don't consider a 2.0 Opel Manta a classic, but you try and buy one now, I had 3, broke 2 for parts despite them being serviceable. Its all down to perception, the fact that the RS Clios have such a strong following now (just look at the membership of this forum) pretty much assures icon status in the future, and with it a "classic" status. As numbers dwindle through natural wastage, chav ownership and scrappage, prices will start to slowly strengthen, eventually, and it will be a fair time in the future, prices of what remains will rise, thats a definite. They will never be worth daft money, but I assure you that a well kept example will be worth a good price in years to come.
The strongest value will be in limited production run cars so naturally the Trophy, 172 Cup (especially as most will be butchered into track cars) and PH1 (Not limited run as such, but produced in a short run prior to the PH2 release)
Keep it standard, keep it maintained, keep it's history up and keep it. Better still, buy a cracker while they are cheap, stick it in your gently heated and ventilated garage and enjoy it in 15 years time when you can't find one anywhere! clever money would buy a minter from europe and store that, they are mad about cars, Left hookers are more expensive (european second hand car prices are shocking!) I've seen pretty ordinary cars get daft money at european classic events, they're bonkers!
G
Agreed!
......but the 19 16v and Lagunas dominated the BTCC at the hands of Alain Menu
The 21 Turbo was, at time of launch, the fastest production saloon in the world, later surpassed by the Sapphire Cosworth then the M5, the 21 also dominated the Superproduction Touring Car series at the hands of Ragnotti. It sold 1600 2WD and 170, yep, 170 4WD (Quadra) from 1988 to 1992, there are now less than 400 2wd and 40 4WD left and yet Renault choose not to acknowledge it even existed.
That said, if Ford badged a TATA as an RS TATA then it'd be a classic. Of anything modern that Renault have produced, the only cars I see as being 'classics' are obviously the Spider, V6 Clio, R26.R and possibly the Trophy.
The Golf and 205 GTi are both benchmark cars, hence them being proper bonafide cult hero classics. The mk2 Golf was perceived as a heavy POS by comparison. The S1 RS Turbo was a benchmark for Ford and Lady Di had one, so was propelled into classic status before it'd gone out of production. Peugeot have never done anything since. Ford went missing for years and had to produce something looking like a Halfords Saturday boy had built it in the Focus RS.
I've described my 172 as the closest thing to the 205 1.9 GTi. Nothing has come this close.....just a shame it doesn't surpass it. I guess the Cup does cos it's a bit more edgy.
The Golf and 205 GTi are both benchmark cars, hence them being proper bonafide cult hero classics. The mk2 Golf was perceived as a heavy POS by comparison. The S1 RS Turbo was a benchmark for Ford and Lady Di had one, so was propelled into classic status before it'd gone out of production. Peugeot have never done anything since. Ford went missing for years and had to produce something looking like a Halfords Saturday boy had built it in the Focus RS.
I've described my 172 as the closest thing to the 205 1.9 GTi. Nothing has come this close.....just a shame it doesn't surpass it. I guess the Cup does cos it's a bit more edgy.
197 FF Glacier White
Of course it was, OK it wasn't numbered etc, but it was a sub version of the PH2 RS, thus making it limited by it's overall shorter production run.
197 FF Glacier White
You need to go to a classic car show and see the munters that pass as classics these days, you'll soon change your tune. I'm not suggesting the RS Clios are anything like an integrale etc as far as being "special" is concerned, but a car doesn't have to be a special to be a classic. I had a 2.0S Capri 15 years ago, that very same car, sold on to a relative is now worth 5k agreed value, I flogged it for £800! It's all about pre-conception, the RS has a really high following, so it's status as an "old school" favourite is pretty much set, much like the 205 GTi (I've had three of them as well!)
As a side note, I'm not a Renault enthusiast and I don't need to justify my car, I have four cars, I like all of them! However, I speak from experience, I've owned 51 cars over 22 years, I've driven (and owned) some of the retro cool "classics" that people go on about now, I've seen what 20 years can do to any popular or enthusiast model, there are lots of examples, but at least half the cars I've owned are now considered "cherished" or "classic", they weren't when I sold them, other than a couple of my Lancias and my GT6.
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Some of the post's were daft. Like people saying because chavs owned them they won't be classics? You think that plenty of chavs didn't drive 205's, rs turbo's, astra gte's. Course they did! I think it will be, people saying only the trophy? the 205 gti wasn't a limited number thing atall, and it's a legend, neither is the clio phase1 or 172/182 for that matter. 10 years time they'll be the same as pug's and hot hatch hero's. They are great cars.
197 FF Glacier White
My post in a nut shell!
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Revels owns one now, surley thats got to be some serious value earning points right there?
FLOL +1
so did i, hahaha
Maybe these cars will be seen as classics in the long run, but as far as residuals go it seems the public at large dont have much love for them as even the trophy has shown no signs of bottoming out. there an amazing car to drive but classics appreciate and i cant see 1*2's doing that for a long time
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