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Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project [Year 3 - Engine and Chassis Rebuild]
R5 GTT EFI Clio.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Aint this off Snatch or Lock Stock And Two Smoking Barrels?
did you not measure it first? though to be fair if its sold as "mint" etc you assume it is, assumption - the mother of all f**k ups!
Aint this off Snatch or Lock Stock And Two Smoking Barrels?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
I got it off Evogone, looked fine and he thought it was. I trust him but its just one of those things, all the time and effort wasted!
Yeah, was told it was fine and came off a Cupcar, got it from Evogone as said above...weather he knew or not is another thing, I trust him though so who knows! Just one of them things I guess meh!
I got it off Evogone, looked fine and he thought it was. I trust him but its just one of those things, all the time and effort wasted!
did you not measure it first? though to be fair if its sold as "mint" etc you assume it is, assumption - the mother of all f**k ups!
Yeah, was told it was fine and came off a Cupcar, got it from Evogone as said above...weather he knew or not is another thing, I trust him though so who knows! Just one of them things I guess meh!
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
off a cup car - ie car's been in a smack or 6 before (the pink one didn't have an original panel left on it LOL!)
hard luck mate, more welding needed! although there's no need to seam weld the f**k out of it like you had done
off a cup car - ie car's been in a smack or 6 before (the pink one didn't have an original panel left on it LOL!)
hard luck mate, more welding needed! although there's no need to seam weld the f**k out of it like you had done
ITB Hybrid+Cup+Scenic II
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Excellent project - I really enjoy all your updates.
Sorry about the problems you've encountered though.
Would you consider doing a batch of the solid mount?
Thats an excellent idea!
Michael
Excellent project - I really enjoy all your updates.
Sorry about the problems you've encountered though.
Would you consider doing a batch of the solid mount?
Thats an excellent idea!
Michael
A Car
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Why would someone sell a subframe off a car that they still use?
Seems an obvious question that no on has asked. For example i wont sell the subframe off my car as it holds the engine on. What made this person decide to sell it? I assume so he could fit another one. But why would he want to do that?
Why would someone sell a subframe off a car that they still use?
Seems an obvious question that no on has asked. For example i wont sell the subframe off my car as it holds the engine on. What made this person decide to sell it? I assume so he could fit another one. But why would he want to do that?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Because he bought another, had someone seam weld it, then powdercoated and fitted it back onto his pink rally car....
Because he bought another, had someone seam weld it, then powdercoated and fitted it back onto his pink rally car....
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Possibly, had a few others message me on C16V. Im going to probably wait until mine is running again and Ive tested its not damaged anything, then it would not take long to make some up...
I guess it must have, didnt know he had/did have another.
Oh and cheers for the other one tonight!
Possibly, had a few others message me on C16V. Im going to probably wait until mine is running again and Ive tested its not damaged anything, then it would not take long to make some up...
I guess it must have, didnt know he had/did have another.
Oh and cheers for the other one tonight!
Mk1 F4R
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Jords new beast of a runabout
Fiesta zetec-se 1.25
Awesome little car
Jords new beast of a runabout
Fiesta zetec-se 1.25
Awesome little car
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Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
the engine mounts hold my engine in, not the subframe. is this a consequence of the massive shunt its had at the front??? assuming this is no.0002 were talkin about.
the engine mounts hold my engine in, not the subframe. is this a consequence of the massive shunt its had at the front??? assuming this is no.0002 were talkin about.
A Car
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
No, it is because my engine mounts to my subframe.
No, it is because my engine mounts to my subframe.
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A Car
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
So the subframe doesnt fit you car, but if you are correct (and we give evogone the benefit of the doubt) then it must have fit his car, if it came off it.
So that would suggest that the front of his car is shaped to take this bent subframe.
So the obvious question from that is:
How did he mange to fit a new subframe to his car if the front is bent to take a bent subframe?
Smells fishy to me.
In reality, if the bent one doesnt fit your car, a straight one shouldnt fit his.
It looks more likely to me, that he bought a subframe to seam weld, it was bent and didnt fit, and so he sold it on.
So the subframe doesnt fit you car, but if you are correct (and we give evogone the benefit of the doubt) then it must have fit his car, if it came off it.
So that would suggest that the front of his car is shaped to take this bent subframe.
So the obvious question from that is:
How did he mange to fit a new subframe to his car if the front is bent to take a bent subframe?
Smells fishy to me.
In reality, if the bent one doesnt fit your car, a straight one shouldnt fit his.
It looks more likely to me, that he bought a subframe to seam weld, it was bent and didnt fit, and so he sold it on.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
I dont know which cup car it came with, he just said it was on one that he had. The pink one or the white one northy is on about... If its the white one that was in a smash it has more than likely bent then, considering the rollcage was bent too. I didnt know about this white one at the time so wouldnt have known, Im going to speak to him and try to find out anyway...
I dont know which cup car it came with, he just said it was on one that he had. The pink one or the white one northy is on about... If its the white one that was in a smash it has more than likely bent then, considering the rollcage was bent too. I didnt know about this white one at the time so wouldnt have known, Im going to speak to him and try to find out anyway...
TrackCar & F30 330d
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Oh dear, all that effort for nothing.
Might be a silly question but can you not get the subframe jigged/bent back into position? Or is it just a case of cuting, welding and tarting up the subframe you allready have?
Oh dear, all that effort for nothing.
Might be a silly question but can you not get the subframe jigged/bent back into position? Or is it just a case of cuting, welding and tarting up the subframe you allready have?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Picked up another (straight) subframe off Northy last night!
It could be jigged, I know someone with stuff that can probably do it but it would never be right, and the car would never align properly again after it being bent that much and attempted to put right...
Im keeping the unmodified subframe as it is for a spare as its powdercoated and good to keep...just been re-doing the radiator mount on the one from Northy earlier. Once ive done what I want to it il fire it off for powdercoating with a load of other stuff I was meant to get done...
Picked up another (straight) subframe off Northy last night!
It could be jigged, I know someone with stuff that can probably do it but it would never be right, and the car would never align properly again after it being bent that much and attempted to put right...
Im keeping the unmodified subframe as it is for a spare as its powdercoated and good to keep...just been re-doing the radiator mount on the one from Northy earlier. Once ive done what I want to it il fire it off for powdercoating with a load of other stuff I was meant to get done...
TrackCar & F30 330d
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Oh right, suppose that makes sense. I supose its allways easier doing stuff second time round, not fun, but easier.
Ooooo new powder coated stuff, I like
Oh right, suppose that makes sense. I supose its allways easier doing stuff second time round, not fun, but easier.
Ooooo new powder coated stuff, I like
ValverInBits
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Wow, thats annoying!
Well done for getting a fresh subframe though, it's definitely the right choice.
The subframes are galvanised. You can get round it by giving them a bloody good surface grind before you start , but if you start hitting galv anywhere it makes for a terrible weld. I spent quite a long time preping mine before weld. Interesting idea on the seam welding of the subframe. You considering a stitch of the front end of the car anytime?
I've still got to remove a tiny bit more material from my subframe on the N/S!
Wow, thats annoying!
Well done for getting a fresh subframe though, it's definitely the right choice.
The subframes are galvanised. You can get round it by giving them a bloody good surface grind before you start , but if you start hitting galv anywhere it makes for a terrible weld. I spent quite a long time preping mine before weld. Interesting idea on the seam welding of the subframe. You considering a stitch of the front end of the car anytime?
I've still got to remove a tiny bit more material from my subframe on the N/S!
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
It seemed to weld OK, I ground quite a bit off every joint where it was going to be welded...didnt get any funny reacting or blobby welds really...
Doh! And seam welding the shell, not sure if I can be bothered considering everything is covered in a few coats of hammerite and I dont want to go to the effort of grinding parts off lol!
In the middle of putting the cage through to the struts after today, so will be interesting to see what difference that makes once its driving again...
It seemed to weld OK, I ground quite a bit off every joint where it was going to be welded...didnt get any funny reacting or blobby welds really...
I spent quite a long time preping mine before weld. Interesting idea on the seam welding of the subframe. You considering a stitch of the front end of the car anytime?
I've still got to remove a tiny bit more material from my subframe on the N/S!
Doh! And seam welding the shell, not sure if I can be bothered considering everything is covered in a few coats of hammerite and I dont want to go to the effort of grinding parts off lol!
In the middle of putting the cage through to the struts after today, so will be interesting to see what difference that makes once its driving again...
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Been putting this job off for some time now - cutting the holes for the cage to pass through to the struts. A grinder and 70mm holesaw later...
Cage bar in place, not profiled at either end yet but you get the idea...
Diagonal will go from where the bottom door bar joins the A pillar of the cage, upto the strut bar though the other hole Will probably get them profiled and tacked in place tomorrow!
More soon.
Been putting this job off for some time now - cutting the holes for the cage to pass through to the struts. A grinder and 70mm holesaw later...
Cage bar in place, not profiled at either end yet but you get the idea...
Diagonal will go from where the bottom door bar joins the A pillar of the cage, upto the strut bar though the other hole
Will probably get them profiled and tacked in place tomorrow!More soon.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Do you do your own welding now?
Do you do your own welding now?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Sweet! Wish i could weld! Mega need to get a cage
Sweet! Wish i could weld! Mega need to get a cage
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
WOW lots of dicussion...!!!
This subfrmae was off a cup car that was broken up and i believe it was the white one referenced above. I bought a job lot of everything that was left from the shell (sold septerately).
It was never fitted to the pink car and was a spare (this has a fully seam welded Williams one) which by the way fits spot on, all the holes in the right place (It did have a bent wishbone when Fred had it and i bought it, but all the front end components are all Brand new Renault now)
F0xy has never contacted me about the subframe and the issues and was sold to him in good faith as it was to me, i would have offered his money back for it (im not hard up). I have only found out about this by accident going through the forum so just though i would clear any confusion up.
WOW lots of dicussion...!!!
This subfrmae was off a cup car that was broken up and i believe it was the white one referenced above. I bought a job lot of everything that was left from the shell (sold septerately).
It was never fitted to the pink car and was a spare (this has a fully seam welded Williams one) which by the way fits spot on, all the holes in the right place
(It did have a bent wishbone when Fred had it and i bought it, but all the front end components are all Brand new Renault now)F0xy has never contacted me about the subframe and the issues and was sold to him in good faith as it was to me, i would have offered his money back for it (im not hard up). I have only found out about this by accident going through the forum so just though i would clear any confusion up.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Absolutely not, hope i have cleared this up.
Absolutely not, hope i have cleared this up.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Should have just dropped me a PM...
Should have just dropped me a PM...
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
I was going to give you a call, but for the sake of what the subframe was worth I wasnt too bothered, thats why I didnt PM/call. Dont worry about it If the offer of the money back is still there thats cool, but if not no worries!
Just one of those things, only a bit of wasted time
I was going to give you a call, but for the sake of what the subframe was worth I wasnt too bothered, thats why I didnt PM/call. Dont worry about it
If the offer of the money back is still there thats cool, but if not no worries!Just one of those things, only a bit of wasted time
