MKII V6 v 182Cup

[Munson]

Sorry if the forum police are already bored of this topic. Im not, so if you dont like it then go out and do something less boring instead

Whats the cheapest I could expect to pay for a 2nd hand 255 in say, about 12 months from now, and am I likely to regret it? Im recently finding myself hankering after the V6 experience, and Ive not even driven one yet.

Id appreciate some opinions from people whove moved from a a 182/172/Cup to a Vee - How did you find the change overall, including power, cornering ability and overall owning expereince?

I dont want opinions from people who might find the topic boring, and I certainly dont want them to sh*t in my thread.

 

[Clarkie172]

think they will be around 15k? do u not fancy an evo or other things in this price bracket mate?

 

[seb]

i reckon it would be a totally differnet drive (vee), bit more laid back and relaxed at a guess as the cup is a bit manic.

but what do i know? i havent driven one.

i think after going to the ring it shows what a varying load of cars can do. you dont need mega bucks to have some serious fun as everyone witnesees with the dudes going round in old skool 3 series and diesel golfs.

whats my point? well ii think you have to go on the merits of each car. peopel may well go on about how it isnt much faster and that the cup is faster round a track (boring...) but its all about the EXPEREINCE.

i reckon the vee would be a f**king delight.

plus imagine the women you could pull. sweet...


[Edited by seb182 on 29 August 2005 at 8:30pm]

 

[Munson]

Nah I dont really fancy an Evo or a Scoob. Im also not a track whore, so Im not overly fussed which is ultimately quicker. This will be at least 12 months away and I may change my mind by then, but the Vee is suddenly more appealing to me than it ever has been for some reason.

I think the Vee will FEEL quicker in most road situations? Its at least a second quicker to 60 for starters right?

 

[seb]

Im also not a track whore, so Im not overly fussed which is ultimately quicker. - that was my point though matey it was about the experience, which i think a vee would give out much more than a cup IMO

 

[Munson]

Yeah sorry dude I wasnt arguing your point, more kind of agreeing with it really

 

[seb]

i am also tempted with a vee myself. I feel it would be a more rewarding expereince and ownership

 

[Munson]

Im also thinking it will be noticeably faster in a straight line, especially in the top end, where it should leave any standard CTR, for example?

 

[Dash]

I changed cars from a 172 to a MK 1 V6 and then a Mk2 V6.

All three are very different cars in my opinion. ( Im a road whore )

172 noisey little fun box.

Mk1 Vee awesome car.

Mk2 Vee even more awesome but a challenge at top speeds.

I think the MK2 will hold it prices around 15k if not more due to rarity. The MK 1 I think will fall to very low prices if not to zero as they had such poor press. ( even though they are very wrong IMO )

 

[_Tom_]

I moved from a 172 cup to a V6 255 about 1 month ago.

In about 12 months time I would expect that youll be able to pick up a mk 2 V6 for about £15K.

The first thing Ill point out is that youll feel no difference in power between a V6 and a 172 at speeds under 80mph. Once you pass 80mph the V6 keeps pulling where as the 172 begins to slow.

As for handling - I find that the V6 and 172 cup handle about the same, though I know that others have found the V6 to be a handful. In the wet the V6 is a little more tricky, but once you get the hang of oversteer its great fun.

However, you dont really buy a V6 for performance or handling. I bought mine because in my opinion they are the best looking car that money can buy for under £50K.

Furthermore, they are extremely rare - I for example have maybe seen 2 other V6s since production began.

Plus, almost everyone loves them. They are very eye catching and even though it is just a £20K Clio, I get people stopping me and taking pictures all the time. Its an icon, a status symbol and everytime I drive it, it puts a smile on my face and on the faces of those driving around me. This is the first car that I have owned that I fully intend to keep for years to come - I normally swop my car about every 6 months.

If you buy it, you wont regret it.

 

[Munson]

Thanks for your thoughts so far guys. However Tom, Im surpised by your comment about the Vee not feeling any quicker below 80mph. On papaer, it is a full second faster than my 182Cup to 62mph...surely that cant go unoticed?

 

[Ian_182]

http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Racing_Green_171004/Sagaris/IMG_0886.jpghttp://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Racing_Green_171004/Sagaris/IMG_0886.jpg

I dont believe they are the best looking car for under 50k

ian

 

[Dash]

What in gods name is that mingin thing ian?

 

[Bubbles]

TVR Sagaris... gorgeous, i looooooove it

 

[Munson]

TVR Sagaris, whats that got to do with a Clio V6?

[Edited by Roy Munson on 8/29/2005 9:21:08 PM]

 

[Dash]

Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 29 August 2005
TVR Sagraris, wghats that got to do with a Clio V6?

It has four wheels.

Has this thread got sh*t and boring enough for you yet Roy.

 

[Munson]

Quote: Originally posted by James on 29 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 29 August 2005TVR Sagraris, wghats that got to do with a Clio V6?

It has four wheels.

Has this thread got sh*t and boring enough for you yet Roy.


Not yet mate, but I am still expecting the usual suspects to come in banging on about how the topic has been done to death already

 

[Subway]

Quote: Originally posted by James on 29 August 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 29 August 2005

TVR Sagraris, wghats that got to do with a Clio V6?

It has four wheels.

Has this thread got sh*t and boring enough for you yet Roy.



I think you mean forum.

 

[jph172]

Quote: Originally posted by _Tom_ on 29 August 2005
I moved from a 172 cup to a V6 255 about 1 month ago.In about 12 months time I would expect that youll be able to pick up a mk 2 V6 for about £15K.The first thing Ill point out is that youll feel no difference in power between a V6 and a 172 at speeds under 80mph. Once you pass 80mph the V6 keeps pulling where as the 172 begins to slow.As for handling - I find that the V6 and 172 cup handle about the same, though I know that others have found the V6 to be a handful. In the wet the V6 is a little more tricky, but once you get the hang of oversteer its great fun.However, you dont really buy a V6 for performance or handling. I bought mine because in my opinion they are the best looking car that money can buy for under £50K. Furthermore, they are extremely rare - I for example have maybe seen 2 other V6s since production began. Plus, almost everyone loves them. They are very eye catching and even though it is just a £20K Clio, I get people stopping me and taking pictures all the time. Its an icon, a status symbol and everytime I drive it, it puts a smile on my face and on the faces of those driving around me. This is the first car that I have owned that I fully intend to keep for years to come - I normally swop my car about every 6 months.If you buy it, you wont regret it.


Couldnt agree more, id love a vee but the chances of getting one are very slim.
But i never imagined a few years back id be able to afford a 172 but there you go.
Arh if only the vee was available on finance

 

[Zonda]

Quote: Originally posted by jph172 on 29 August 2005

Quote: Originally posted by _Tom_ on 29 August 2005


I moved from a 172 cup to a V6 255 about 1 month ago.

In about 12 months time I would expect that youll be able to pick up a mk 2 V6 for about £15K.

The first thing Ill point out is that youll feel no difference in power between a V6 and a 172 at speeds under 80mph. Once you pass 80mph the V6 keeps pulling where as the 172 begins to slow.

As for handling - I find that the V6 and 172 cup handle about the same, though I know that others have found the V6 to be a handful. In the wet the V6 is a little more tricky, but once you get the hang of oversteer its great fun.

However, you dont really buy a V6 for performance or handling. I bought mine because in my opinion they are the best looking car that money can buy for under £50K.

Furthermore, they are extremely rare - I for example have maybe seen 2 other V6s since production began.

Plus, almost everyone loves them. They are very eye catching and even though it is just a £20K Clio, I get people stopping me and taking pictures all the time. Its an icon, a status symbol and everytime I drive it, it puts a smile on my face and on the faces of those driving around me. This is the first car that I have owned that I fully intend to keep for years to come - I normally swop my car about every 6 months.

If you buy it, you wont regret it.

Couldnt agree more, id love a vee but the chances of getting one are very slim.
But i never imagined a few years back id be able to afford a 172 but there you go.
Arh if only the vee was available on finance







Isnt that called a loan? Simple enough to fill a form out and Bobs your Aunties sister

 

[_Tom_]

Quote: Originally posted by ian 182 on 29 August 2005


http://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Racing_Green_171004/Sagaris/IMG_0886.jpghttp://www.sleepy-fish.com/images/Racing_Green_171004/Sagaris/IMG_0886.jpg

I dont believe they are the best looking car for under 50k

ian

I agree that TVRs are all hot to trot. But how much attention a car gets is proportional to how rare they are as well as how good looking they are. TVRs are soo common nowadays that I dont give them a second look. Obviously as the Sagaris is currently rare and beautiful, I would stop and look but a year down the line, I doubt that it would get noticed.

 

[Dash]

Ive seen a couple of Vees on the road and each time I say Wow!! that looks stunning. Dont seem to realise just how good your own car looks until you see one.

 

[_Tom_]

Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 29 August 2005

Thanks for your thoughts so far guys. However Tom, Im surpised by your comment about the Vee not feeling any quicker below 80mph. On papaer, it is a full second faster than my 182Cup to 62mph...surely that cant go unoticed?

1 second equates to about 1 car length on a 0-60 run. That simply isnt enough to be noticed. Furthermore, to get a 0-60 run of 5.8seconds requires the clutch to be dumped - how often would you be that bruttle?

Anyway, Im trying to organise a meet for V6s in October. See here http://v6owners.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=55http://v6owners.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=55 - Come along and Ill be happy to take you for a test drive.

 

[telford_mike]

Roy,

If you buy a V6 255 youll get nothing out of it at all unless you invest some time and money. When I first got mine I was slower around our local track (Oulton Park) than I had been in my 172.

HOWEVER. If you do your time and learn how the thing works, you can be seriously quick. If you have a look at the V6 vs Evo thread youll see that the guy with the Evo MR/ FQ 340 (or whatever) was impressed with the V6 at Donington (i.e. he couldnt keep up with it). But this is not without effort. You need to learn how the thing works. These things are not like microwave ovens - you dont get an instruction manual. You have to get it on the track and learn how it behaves. If you buy one youre moving into a different class of motoring.

 

[ColinG]

6 months till i get mine! im gladly moving on from my cup (before my licence moves on from me) the cup is so manic you drive it at 10/10ths all the time,



ive driven a vee (mk2) twice and the experience is exhillerating

 

[KEV V6 255]

The 182 is a three chord bash, the V6 is a musical masterpiece.

Most people can drive the front wheelers quickly in a short time and then reach a level and then thats it, a funfair ride.

The V6 needs to be to be thought about to get the most out of it, a much more sattisfying experience, you get out what you put in,if you get what I mean.

I still have my 172, had it for three years, and had the V6 for a year, I drive both cars during the week and have compared them both along side each other for along period of time both on track and road and they are both great cars, but there is no serious comparrison in my opinion, the V6 is a great car in alot of ways, if you get one and live with it you will no what I mean..

 

[Ali]

Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....I dont care if an evo 1 is quicker, the vee is a unique supercar and one to drool over, the noise, the looks! You would neva get bored. Id have one over any car in that price bracket. ive seen vees go for 17k just now so next yr, you may catch an early 03 model for about the 14-15k

Go for it.

 

[stevoversteer]

I love the looks of the V6 and the sound, but the one thing that constantly puts me off, and i cant get away from it, is that straight line pace. You could have one and be the envy of all other clio drivers in the country, yet have to sit there and take the abuse as someone in a lightly modded cup pulls past you. I wouldnt be able to do that. It needs the grunt to back up those looks. Christ, its already insurance group 20 and a lot of money, its not like theyre targetting a specific clientel and hence had to hold back! The vee is a car built to be driven, and i wouldnt be able to drive it if idiots in tin cans were giving me the V (sorry for the pun!) as they overtook

 

[Ian_182]

The same happens with escort cosworths stevoversteer,they look great and have real road precense but you have to mod them to get them quick.

That said the V6 looks stunning,way more so than my 182 and the performance should not put you off.Like mike said in the right hands they are much quicker than a 182.

ian

 

[Ali]

A slighty modded cup! pmsl! Thatll be rite. unless it was Yozs!

 

[stevoversteer]

Quote: Originally posted by AJRMOTORSPORT on 30 August 2005

A slighty modded cup! pmsl! Thatll be rite. unless it was Yozs!

??? What about Neils? Exhaust + ecu and hes done a 1/4 mile close to half a second faster than ive seen any V6 do it in. I know 1/4 miles are not the be all and end all but still...

 

[Zonda]

Quote: Originally posted by stevoversteer on 30 August 2005

Quote: Originally posted by AJRMOTORSPORT on 30 August 2005

A slighty modded cup! pmsl! Thatll be rite. unless it was Yozs!

??? What about Neils? Exhaust + ecu and hes done a 1/4 mile close to half a second faster than ive seen any V6 do it in. I know 1/4 miles are not the be all and end all but still...




Just out of interest, has anyone apart from the Supercharged beast done the qtr in sub 14 secs in a V6

 

[Chili Red]

So fickle Roy - after all those threads saying you wanted to marry your Cup, and now you want to ditch it for a better model!

Typical man

 

[Munson]

I want more power!

 

[mark.cup]

Tune the cup Roy, then it will be faster than a v for less money than changing cars

 

[seb]

Quote: Originally posted by mark.cup on 02 September 2005

Tune the cup Roy, then it will be faster than a v for less money than changing cars

its not about the speed though matey...

 

[gazcaddy]

roy, i think the V6 is about half a second faster to 60 than the 182 and about 1.5 secs faster to 100, from then on the V6 should pull away significantly

end of the day mate, its only you who can decide if the decision to change is the right one for you, if you think its right then go for it

 

[137699]

I cant say Ive had anyone in a 172/182/CUP or any other FWD "tin-can" car overtaking me yet....

And *even* if they were faster in a straight line (which theyre not), it would not be by much and thus would require a monumentally long & quiet straihht to overtake, and as soon as you reach a bend in the Vee, you lose most cars as nothing corners quite like a mid-engined RWD car!

 

[gazcaddy]

Quote: Originally posted by 137699 on 02 September 2005


I cant say Ive had anyone in a 172/182/CUP or any other FWD "tin-can" car overtaking me yet....

I think the problem people have with the V6 is that (until silly speeds) it wouldnt be able to overtake a FWD tin can and considering its twice as expensive, its acceleration isnt that impressive

 

[137699]

Quote: Originally posted by gazcaddy on 02 September 2005





I think the problem people have with the V6 is that (until silly speeds) it wouldnt be able to overtake a FWD tin can and considering its twice as expensive, its acceleration isnt that impressive

Fair point, although even humble family cars do 0-60 in 10 seconds these days which means even a very quick car can struggle to overtake if the other driver is putting his foot down. Overtaking is getting more and more difficult to do as cars generally get quicker.

When I was learning to drive (heres showing my age) the XR2 was supposed to be a "FAST" hot-hatch that did 0-60 in about 9.5 seconds, and family runabouts would get there in about 12-15. Nowadays a Focus TDi gets to 60 in under 10, and unless your hot-hatch does it in under 7, its not considered fast!