Krarl
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You're quite the sexy manJokes aside, second/third links look good
This site looks decent for listing alternator parts with part numbers:
Managed to find a Valeo unit for £163 on Autodoc
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Monaco 172 Track Car
- Thread starter Krarl
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Managed to find a Valeo unit for £163 on Autodoc
Robbie Corbett
ClioSport Club Member
Autodoc do list some contenders...
But £163 looks a great price for a whole new one. Could repair one or both of the buggered ones.
Goodluck!
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Yeah I'm gonna buy a new one and then repair the others, I'll make one good one from the 2 and then see what else I need
Gonna be picking your brains in the distant future
"Rob how do you resistance test an Alternator"
"Rob how do you set up a rig to bench test an Alternator"
"Rob why does my wee smell really strong"
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Having the bathroom ripped out next week and need a skip on the drive (yes an actual skip not the Renaults I own)
So with that I needed to move the Clio. The issue is the alternator was fried and the battery I stole from @leeds2592 was now dead. Below 6v dead so I'm guessing the Halfrauds batteries are just shite quality as it's not old and should at least hold some charge
Bunged the battery on the charger, at first it wasn't drawing any amps but after a few mins it climbed up to about 10A. With that I set about swapping the alternator
I managed to bag a 75A Refurb Bosch alternator on eBay in November for £65. A good result considering a proper Valeo/Genuine cup one is nearing £200 now
The box
The alternator, I doubt there's very much left of it that's actually Bosch🤣
Removing the old alternator, first job now the battery is gone. Take the battery cable off...
Well I suppose it's off😑
Anyway, found another terminal on a spare loom I have in the garage, knocked out all the old copper and crimped it back on using my big crimper. This thing is a total beast
New alternator in, everything back together and ready to start. Gave everything a quick wiggle and a once over...
Righto, it must have just gotten fatigued with me twatting the old copper out of it and snapped as soon as I put 10nm of torque into it😑
A quick trip to Screwfix for some new terminals, not f**king about reusing old ones anymore
Cabling re-taped, routed nicely and reattached. This time the terminal didn't snap. Hooray, 4th time lucky eh
The alternator ain't the same as a 172 cup one, the connector for the signal wire is on the back nearest to the block instead of on the front
With that done I slung the battery back on and it fired up first time. No errors and charging the battery to 13.5v just fine
The battery is on its last legs so I'll grab another just for peace of mind. But with the car now fired up I took it for a quick whizz round the block and fell in love again. Feels so good to drive and can't wait for more track days this year
So with that I needed to move the Clio. The issue is the alternator was fried and the battery I stole from @leeds2592 was now dead. Below 6v dead so I'm guessing the Halfrauds batteries are just shite quality as it's not old and should at least hold some charge
Bunged the battery on the charger, at first it wasn't drawing any amps but after a few mins it climbed up to about 10A. With that I set about swapping the alternator
I managed to bag a 75A Refurb Bosch alternator on eBay in November for £65. A good result considering a proper Valeo/Genuine cup one is nearing £200 now
The box
The alternator, I doubt there's very much left of it that's actually Bosch🤣
Removing the old alternator, first job now the battery is gone. Take the battery cable off...
Well I suppose it's off😑
Anyway, found another terminal on a spare loom I have in the garage, knocked out all the old copper and crimped it back on using my big crimper. This thing is a total beast
New alternator in, everything back together and ready to start. Gave everything a quick wiggle and a once over...
Righto, it must have just gotten fatigued with me twatting the old copper out of it and snapped as soon as I put 10nm of torque into it😑
A quick trip to Screwfix for some new terminals, not f**king about reusing old ones anymore
Cabling re-taped, routed nicely and reattached. This time the terminal didn't snap. Hooray, 4th time lucky eh
The alternator ain't the same as a 172 cup one, the connector for the signal wire is on the back nearest to the block instead of on the front
With that done I slung the battery back on and it fired up first time. No errors and charging the battery to 13.5v just fine
The battery is on its last legs so I'll grab another just for peace of mind. But with the car now fired up I took it for a quick whizz round the block and fell in love again. Feels so good to drive and can't wait for more track days this year
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Obligatory picture of it parked up, probably until March now depending on whether I can be arsed to drive it to work to strip the gearbox out again
Battery likely dead as a dodo
Battery likely dead as a dodo
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
I can't see it being in warranty tbh🤣
I quite like their hand tools too, they have a good warranty and they're honestly very good for the money
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Pulled it out earlier to give it a good clean
The spastics core drilling the wall for the bathroom decided against using the hosepipe right next to them to stop dust going everywhere and covered the car
Wheels really need refurbing. No amount of acid gets them clean
Really can't wait to get it on the road. Gonna tax it at the start of March, still need to get the gearbox stripped out and get a new seal knocked in
The spastics core drilling the wall for the bathroom decided against using the hosepipe right next to them to stop dust going everywhere and covered the car
Wheels really need refurbing. No amount of acid gets them clean
Really can't wait to get it on the road. Gonna tax it at the start of March, still need to get the gearbox stripped out and get a new seal knocked in
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Forgot to mention, I put a new Bosch battery on it and had to replace the expansion bottle cap too. The Halfords battery had died a death. RIPeroni
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Clio taxed again. Replaced the drivers side window switch because the drivers window wouldn't come up unless you sat there flicking at the switch like an OnlyFans model with their bean
Window now goes up. Took it for a good hour long drive earlier but there was quite a bit of traffic so didn't really get much opportunity to open the taps. It never fails to put a smile on my face though, it's not fast by modern standards but it's so asbo it just doesn't matter. Whilst on my outing I spotted another Monaco too which was a rare sight!
Gonna run it for this week because the Megane is annoying me still
Window now goes up. Took it for a good hour long drive earlier but there was quite a bit of traffic so didn't really get much opportunity to open the taps. It never fails to put a smile on my face though, it's not fast by modern standards but it's so asbo it just doesn't matter. Whilst on my outing I spotted another Monaco too which was a rare sight!
Gonna run it for this week because the Megane is annoying me still
Did you put more oil in it
Mr Underhill
ClioSport Club Member
Shakespearean. 😂
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Nah it's been sound. Only leaks when it's hot and it's been sat for months🙃🤣
It's actually not leaked much at all since it's been parked up
Robbie Corbett
ClioSport Club Member
Whats going on with this Kyle, are you booking any track days for it before CSF?
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Aye I've got Cadwell booked on the 1st June
Gonna try and get the box whipped out in the next few weeks so it can have a new seal banged in
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
It could even be leaking around the casing join tbf mate. The proper stuff for the casings is loctite 508, but I had a couple that despite being squeaky clean, leaked and had to come back to be resealed.
Needless to say I switched over to loctite rtv sealant and never had an issue again.
Strange how the changeover happened roughly at the same time as we stopped using it at work. 🤔
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
The 16mm socket size plunger that sits in the bottom of the box can leak as well mate. If it’s been dragged around the floor, that plunger takes one for the team and gets scuffed up - I’ve seen them leak there as a result of the cap being damaged and it allows the oil to pass through, but because of the airflow under the car, you can’t see a definitive area for the leak.
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Aye it's weird how you just for no reason start using the same stuff at home that you use at work 👀 😂
I've nipped up the 16mm plunger, still leaks but it's deffo selector shaft seal
I've nipped up the 16mm plunger, still leaks but it's deffo selector shaft seal
SharpyClio
ClioSport Club Member
Me and my mates are thinking 1st June at cadwell also. I’m just trying to get the time off work. it’ll be nice to have someone else I know lapping me all time.
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
1st June you say?? I may have to check the calendar. But could potentially be up for that Kyle
S-JM
ClioSport Club Member
A4
Get it booked @SharpyClio , you can wave to Kyle whilst he's fixing the Clio in the pits.
Mr Underhill
ClioSport Club Member
I have family down Cadwell so might be along to spectate
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Whipped the box out after work tonight
Box oil that came out was a bit black/brown and the plug had a bit of fuzz but nothing ridiculous. The inside of the box is spotless so the oil has deffo done it job of cleaning it
Took the 2118s off too, gonna get em powdercoated this week so shoved on a pair of turinis. I'm not 100% sold on them but I said that exact same thing about the 2118🤣
Gonna take the box to my mate next week and get him to have a gander. It shouldn't need bearings as it sounds perfect. Just a selector bush and seal I reckon. Took me about 2 hours to get it all out, the rest of it I was stood yacking and then had to have a 30 min break because laying on my back makes me feel sick for some weird reason🤣
Box oil that came out was a bit black/brown and the plug had a bit of fuzz but nothing ridiculous. The inside of the box is spotless so the oil has deffo done it job of cleaning it
Took the 2118s off too, gonna get em powdercoated this week so shoved on a pair of turinis. I'm not 100% sold on them but I said that exact same thing about the 2118🤣
Gonna take the box to my mate next week and get him to have a gander. It shouldn't need bearings as it sounds perfect. Just a selector bush and seal I reckon. Took me about 2 hours to get it all out, the rest of it I was stood yacking and then had to have a 30 min break because laying on my back makes me feel sick for some weird reason🤣
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
So whilst the box was away I decided to give a lot of things a good clean down. Jetwashed the subframe, support plates and my undertray. They were all coated and caked in a nice thick layer of s**t and gearbox oil despite only doing a few thousand miles
Give under the arches a spray down to get rid of the majority of crap. At some point I want to paint everything at some point
Replaced the bearings for the roll centre ball joint as the others were pretty crusty
Then I looked at everything... Whilst it was off the car and thought "should I paint it..."
So this is where I started going a bit mental with the die grinder🤣
I didn't go balls to the wall but enough to smarten everything up. I thought about getting everything blasted and dipped then powdercoated but it's a scabby Clio I use on track. I just painted everything with bedliner instead
I bought a 3l heated ultrasonic cleaner this week, all the bolts were covered in grease and detritus so they got launched through it
They came up pretty good, all nice and degreased. Gave them all a wire wheel on the die grinder to get some of the crust and rust off
Subframe and lower arms back together. I'm still waiting on inner arb brackets to put the roll bar back on. Hopefully they arrive tomorrow
Picked the box back up yesterday from my mate, 1 new seal and bush later. Fingers crossed it doesn't leak
Shoved the box back in after work today. Got everything back in on the top side apart from the Speedo drive. I did end up buying one of the PMS Speedo drive bungs but I've no idea how the f**k it fits🤣
Yellow paint marker this time round
Jobs for this week
Anti-roll bar back on the subframe when new brackets arrive
Bung Speedo drive port on box
New rose joint ends on steering rack
Buy new drivers side driveshaft (or return fucked one)
Shifter rod back on and shifter
Subframe back on the car
Take 2118s for powdercoating
Give under the arches a spray down to get rid of the majority of crap. At some point I want to paint everything at some point
Replaced the bearings for the roll centre ball joint as the others were pretty crusty
Then I looked at everything... Whilst it was off the car and thought "should I paint it..."
So this is where I started going a bit mental with the die grinder🤣
I didn't go balls to the wall but enough to smarten everything up. I thought about getting everything blasted and dipped then powdercoated but it's a scabby Clio I use on track. I just painted everything with bedliner instead
I bought a 3l heated ultrasonic cleaner this week, all the bolts were covered in grease and detritus so they got launched through it
They came up pretty good, all nice and degreased. Gave them all a wire wheel on the die grinder to get some of the crust and rust off
Subframe and lower arms back together. I'm still waiting on inner arb brackets to put the roll bar back on. Hopefully they arrive tomorrow
Picked the box back up yesterday from my mate, 1 new seal and bush later. Fingers crossed it doesn't leak
Shoved the box back in after work today. Got everything back in on the top side apart from the Speedo drive. I did end up buying one of the PMS Speedo drive bungs but I've no idea how the f**k it fits🤣
Yellow paint marker this time round
Jobs for this week
Anti-roll bar back on the subframe when new brackets arrive
Bung Speedo drive port on box
New rose joint ends on steering rack
Buy new drivers side driveshaft (or return fucked one)
Shifter rod back on and shifter
Subframe back on the car
Take 2118s for powdercoating
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Drivers side shaft sent back under warranty, hopefully they honour it (again) and they send me a new one. Less than 5k miles and 11 months of use. I've never had an issue with any of the genuine Renault shafts, this is the 2nd shaftec one that the boot has just come out of the cup🙄
Started building the subframe back up putting the rack on. I swapped all the nuts and bolts so that everything matches now
Subframe back on. Raided the Renault parts bucket and swapped the front bolts so that they matched as well
Passenger side is all buttoned up bar torquing the track rod end bolt, jacked it up and torqued the wishbone bushes
Gave everything else a spanner check and a paint mark, it seems a perverse putting a paint line on everything but it makes it way easier to see if there's been any movement. Plus it's methodical and I can mark anything I've just tightened and I know it's tight
Speedo sensor back in, I don't wanna destroy anything by shoving the PMS bung in there
Gonna have to wait for a new drivers side shaft to materialise before doing the driver's side. Gonna try and get the shifter and the dogbone back on and leave it at the stage where I just need to put the driver's shaft in and button that side up. I started it up earlier and just used the clutch to make sure that there wasn't any funny business from the
Need to get it MOT'd and tracking done before the 1st as I'm booked on at Cadwell🙃
Started building the subframe back up putting the rack on. I swapped all the nuts and bolts so that everything matches now
Subframe back on. Raided the Renault parts bucket and swapped the front bolts so that they matched as well
Passenger side is all buttoned up bar torquing the track rod end bolt, jacked it up and torqued the wishbone bushes
Gave everything else a spanner check and a paint mark, it seems a perverse putting a paint line on everything but it makes it way easier to see if there's been any movement. Plus it's methodical and I can mark anything I've just tightened and I know it's tight
Speedo sensor back in, I don't wanna destroy anything by shoving the PMS bung in there
Gonna have to wait for a new drivers side shaft to materialise before doing the driver's side. Gonna try and get the shifter and the dogbone back on and leave it at the stage where I just need to put the driver's shaft in and button that side up. I started it up earlier and just used the clutch to make sure that there wasn't any funny business from the
Need to get it MOT'd and tracking done before the 1st as I'm booked on at Cadwell🙃
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Of course... if it's fixed 😂
chazza114
ClioSport Club Member
Just out of interest, how highly do you the rate the roll centre kit on your car? I've been looking at them from time to time to try to cure some of the wandering I get when blasting down bumpy/cambered road. I'm interested to see if the gains from curing the wandering offset the increased maintenance?
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
The roll centre won't cure the wandering on a cambered road
Over bumps on corners and stuff it's amazing. Doesn't just violently want to put you in a ditch🤣
Over bumps on corners and stuff it's amazing. Doesn't just violently want to put you in a ditch🤣
No point in asking our tubby friend he never has the car on the road to find out
chazza114
ClioSport Club Member
Haha that sounds perfect, anythings better than driving into a ditch for no reason 😂
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Aye they can never be perfect
I find mine skips around on the back end a bit because there's no weight in it apart from the cage. Can't imagine what it would be like on coilovers 😂
I find mine skips around on the back end a bit because there's no weight in it apart from the cage. Can't imagine what it would be like on coilovers 😂
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Might be a bit better with more dampening control.
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Bought a new Borg & Beck driveshaft. Used this brand of stuff before and tbh it seems decent enough quality. I gave it a good rag about and the inner boot stayed on so it's already beating the fuckin shaftec cunting thing and it was less than half the price!
Needed the block chopped a bit
Before
Chopped and rounded the edges with a flap disc
Got my shifter back on, drivers side all buttoned back together and everything paint pen'd up
I've never had the arch liners out on this so was keen to see what was lurking. It wasn't as bad as I thought but there was definitely a few handfuls behind each arch liner
Gave it a good clean out, flushed out with some water, let it dry and gave everything a good spray with some Dynax
The screws were totally fucked
Thankfully I've broken at least 1 Renault at work so have a nice bucket of bolts for spares🤣
Picked out a nice clean set of interior screws
I gave the chassis legs and the servo a good lathering in Dynax too because they were looking a bit scabby
Needed the block chopped a bit
Before
Chopped and rounded the edges with a flap disc
Got my shifter back on, drivers side all buttoned back together and everything paint pen'd up
I've never had the arch liners out on this so was keen to see what was lurking. It wasn't as bad as I thought but there was definitely a few handfuls behind each arch liner
Gave it a good clean out, flushed out with some water, let it dry and gave everything a good spray with some Dynax
The screws were totally fucked
Thankfully I've broken at least 1 Renault at work so have a nice bucket of bolts for spares🤣
Picked out a nice clean set of interior screws
I gave the chassis legs and the servo a good lathering in Dynax too because they were looking a bit scabby
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Gave it a quick rinse to remove some of the dust and pulled it out
The turinis look mint now it's back in the deck. Deffo need to get some better tyres, these are budgets (at best) and whilst they have lots of tread they're s**t🤣 Even at 30mph turning felt like the wheel was doing one thing and the tyres just wanted to continue doing their own thing
The turinis look mint now it's back in the deck. Deffo need to get some better tyres, these are budgets (at best) and whilst they have lots of tread they're s**t🤣 Even at 30mph turning felt like the wheel was doing one thing and the tyres just wanted to continue doing their own thing
