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I still lol at the people that spend 10k on their engines and then get a print out from the same people who carried out the work.
Yes because they are going to tell you, your car only gained 50bhp for 10k! (this doesn't apply to genuine garages)
Yes because they are going to tell you, your car only gained 50bhp for 10k! (this doesn't apply to genuine garages)
i was just about to say its the clio out of the performance french car mag
Obviously the 70% of people on here with the usual basic mods (cat back/remap/induction kit) are jealous because we didn't get 220bhp? I kinda feel emabarrased for him to be honest, once he realises that he's wrong and he's been taken for a ride.
can't get on ebay at work but it certainly seems his attitude isn't helping matters.
He really should consider taking the car to another RR and get a print out. Then when it shows approx 160 to 175BHP he can complain to the people that "tuned" the car rather than shouting his mouth off at people that are only trying to help (in thier own Cliosport standard kinda way lol)
He really should consider taking the car to another RR and get a print out. Then when it shows approx 160 to 175BHP he can complain to the people that "tuned" the car rather than shouting his mouth off at people that are only trying to help (in thier own Cliosport standard kinda way lol)
Thing is Cliosport is a forum of miserable shallow minded kants. There's no need to e-mail telling him the Bhp is wrong!
Whilst i agree the Bhp he's proposing seems unrealistic, it's only what he's been told. GDI were pulling this stunt for years!
RR's are; at the end of the day tools, providing you use the same one pre and post mods it doesn't matter.
Not to single out Paul here but i personally hate DD rollers, to me they run low! I've been RR days where stock 172's/182's/197's/DC2's all make book BHP on one set of rollers. Are you honestly going to tell me that this roller is inaccurate in comparison to another set?!
Whilst i agree the Bhp he's proposing seems unrealistic, it's only what he's been told. GDI were pulling this stunt for years!
RR's are; at the end of the day tools, providing you use the same one pre and post mods it doesn't matter.
Not to single out Paul here but i personally hate DD rollers, to me they run low! I've been RR days where stock 172's/182's/197's/DC2's all make book BHP on one set of rollers. Are you honestly going to tell me that this roller is inaccurate in comparison to another set?!
withoutabix
ClioSport Club Member
im really staggered by this
id love to have the money to prove him wrong
take it to TDF and offer him these odds
if the car makes 200BHP + pay him £3k
under 200HP
get the car for £1k
Can guarantee he wouldn't take because he'll soon realise he's been taken for an idiot by the "motor-sport specialists" and been fed a load of lies
id love to have the money to prove him wrong
take it to TDF and offer him these odds
if the car makes 200BHP + pay him £3k
under 200HP
get the car for £1k
Can guarantee he wouldn't take because he'll soon realise he's been taken for an idiot by the "motor-sport specialists" and been fed a load of lies
I admire what you're doing. You've got an idea and you're sticking with it. (Even if you've been at it 10 years! lol)
Usual CS Modification police banging on slating you. Ignore them, if they had theirway we'd all be driving round in the same cars.
Usual CS Modification police banging on slating you. Ignore them, if they had theirway we'd all be driving round in the same cars.
Evo 5 RS
Maybe so, but running low is better than overly optimistic, don't you think? At least then when you hit a decent target, you know it's making good power. I don't think it matters really in most cases though as long as you get a before and after run.
This is slightly different because his figures going by the mag are mega inflated
Please please PLEASE do not get into this argument. Yes, its the wheel BHP that is measured acurately, but that is not the figure people use. You can obtain wheel figures in multiple different ways getting mutliple different readings, but if the calculations on transmissions and dyno drag are correct, they should always produce the same calculated fly value.
Its a long conplicated conversation I dont want to get into, but my point is this:
Clio 172, 182, 197, 200 are all Flywheel BHP (well, PS, but you get the idea) figures. All BHP figures stated for UK cars are flywheel figures. All manufacturers use the fly figure in their official stats, and all tuners use it too. Therefore it is also the default figure used for anyone selling something, so it fair to assume that when this guy goes "running 220bhp innit!" he is talking fly, which in his case, is 51bhp above the manufacturer fly figure, which is epic LOL!
Thanks for the technical view point there. And yes, i am aware that published figures are ATF. My arguement was against your comment that AWT figures are difficult to measure, not true.
The inaccuracies on any RR come into play when the conversion from Wheel to fly Bhp is calculated. I've seen 20-30-40% losses through the transmission. Giving wacky ATF figures ^ like the above no doubt!
Overall point is; for the mods the figure above is inconsistent with what the average F4R can make.
The inaccuracies on any RR come into play when the conversion from Wheel to fly Bhp is calculated. I've seen 20-30-40% losses through the transmission. Giving wacky ATF figures ^ like the above no doubt!
Overall point is; for the mods the figure above is inconsistent with what the average F4R can make.
Sorry Ali, I should have been more specific, I meant that measuring a representative on the road wheel figure is difficult with a dyno due to the rollers and other drags. Running 120bhp at the wheel on a roller doesn't mean you will have 120bhp at the wheel on the road, whereas getting an accurate fly figure will (should) translate to the same on the road.
Different dynos can produce all sorts of different drag values, the key point is accommodating that in the calculation of the fly figure.
Different dynos can produce all sorts of different drag values, the key point is accommodating that in the calculation of the fly figure.
Isn't he selling this car? If so, what does it matter to anyone on here what power it makes? No one is going to buy it, are they?
Email abuse achieves nothing except confirm his suspicions of the mentality and apparent age range of this forum.
So he comes across as a bit of a tool, but he'll sell that car to someone who generally believes it has 220 bhp.
I say good luck to him. It might be a pup, but the graph will cause tentage in the teen/twentysomething that goes to view it.
Email abuse achieves nothing except confirm his suspicions of the mentality and apparent age range of this forum.
So he comes across as a bit of a tool, but he'll sell that car to someone who generally believes it has 220 bhp.
I say good luck to him. It might be a pup, but the graph will cause tentage in the teen/twentysomething that goes to view it.
