My new racecar project (Icemans old shell)

[BIGASH]

I've got some time this weekend Russ and i'm not too far away if you want a hand? Gearing sounds odd as you run the 60/13 FD same as me don't you? + the 33/37 5th should leave you well into the 130's aslong as you are doing 7800rpm ish. Your doing very well if you get over 120 round Oulton I certainly don't from memory. Setup's just one of those things unfortunately mate that doesn't swap from car to car so will just take time to build up, i've got spare springs etc so if you need anything at all you have my number. What rad do you run? I have a spare ally one if you need it? I had the same issues last year as long as it's not staying permanently above 105 mine didn't seem to care Is the coolant sensor scaled correctly? Don't give up for next weekend mate it'll all come good anything I can do to get you out with us next weekend just call me

 

[Russ Rallye]

Thanks James appreciate that, I'm at oulton all day tomorrow pit'ing for a mate in tin tops so I'll take stock and see where I'm at. It just feels horrible to drive on turn in. I run the polo rad and its brand new, tbh it never went over 103 or so even when driving hard so I know what you mean + how do you scale the temp sensor without some kind or external measurement to check it.
Rudd

 

[Martin.]

Ah that was your car on the TDI Facebook page niceeee

 

[BIGASH]

Thanks James appreciate that, I'm at oulton all day tomorrow pit'ing for a mate in tin tops so I'll take stock and see where I'm at. It just feels horrible to drive on turn in. I run the polo rad and its brand new, tbh it never went over 103 or so even when driving hard so I know what you mean + how do you scale the temp sensor without some kind or external measurement to check it.
Rudd

Okay well the offers there if you need it The polo rad is the problem even with the Golf one (much bigger) mine sits at 95 constantly. It'll just probably be ride height/rake and corner weights I imagine. Run a second sensor off the rad or just buy a decent coolant temp sensor with an accurate resistance graph (not saying you haven't got a decent sensor just covering the bases)

 

[Kenny.s]

Minor issues asside, it's looking great! Can only hope mine turns out something like this.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Shroud the rad as best as possible Russ to force feed it with air. Ask James about what he did to his. Also, possibly a long shot, but run some water wetter. It may help to drop the temps a few degrees.

Are you running spacers on the front? What's your current geo settings?

 

[mark123]

Like Mark says http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorcycle/coolant/red-line-water-wetter-super-coolant

You probably struggle to fit a wider rad if you have the original PAS, I can't remember what you have.

Have you got rake? I've seen a few clios understeer fixed by raising the rear a little.

 

[Tony Hunter]

You can't just give up like that ffs!

Removing the heater matrix is the main problem, not rad size, you are removing a massive heatsoak with this out.

As said move the ride heights about a little to balance the car more, just 2 turns on ours made the difference from not being able to do Craner Curves, to making it much more stable.

And no you won't get over 120 at oulton.

Have you drilled out the front panel ? 4 holes in mine makes 10deg difference.

 

[Russ Rallye]

Thanks for the help guys especially James and Tony, really appreciate that, i was a bit p1ssed off on friday. Its more the fact i hate rushing and leaving stuff until the last minute and thats exactly whats happened through events beyond my control, it should have been sorted weeks ago and i could have tested and sorted my issues before getting anywhere near a race event. Anyway got on with sorting a few issues out today. Hopefully i'll be able to get the suspension done this week before oulton on friday/saturday.
Taking advice from various sources on the cooling issue ive moved my oil cooler from infront of the rad so it has maximum airflow to it, ive modified the original shrouding from the front bumper again to direct as much air through the rad as possible. Along the same lines i've raised the rear of the bonnet to allow the hot air to escape so all that has to help in my eyes. Took the thermostat out as well.

Looking for somewhere to mount my catch tank

Got round to fitting a set of Chris' cup racer syle brake ducts too

A pic with names and numbers applied and some more stickers. Paul West from TDi north in warrington did the mapping and hes done a gret job, he wasnt happy with the part throttle stuff but it drives excellent and makes excellent torque across the range. I've know Paul a long time and i'd highly recommend him, they mostly do Hondas but do a lot of other stuff too

and some with the pure motosport system fitted.

See you at oulton guys :rasp:
Russ

 

[Tony Hunter]

Well done Russ, no way should you give up over little things like that. Have you still got the bulk head rubber in, if so, remove it and you will find that there is quite a big gap for the hot air to escape without raising the bonnet.

A Polo rad isn't big enough to be half covered by an oil cooler! It's fine on it's own.

See you Friday.

 

[Adam G]

Damn, I wanted 82! Didn't think anyone else would think of it. Glad you've pulled through.

 

[Russ Rallye]

Left the rubber seal out before, just thought i'd go one better and jack the bonnet up a touch.
Russ

 

[Carbonraider]

Nice meeting you at oulton on sat mate car is epic.. Will definitely be attending this weekend hope all goes well.. Did you manage to sort anything with regards to blink.

 

[Russ Rallye]

I wanted 15 as thats what i used to run in LMA's and funnily enough Mark ran this car as number 15 too, you can have 82 (the year i was born) for next year if i get 15 back!
Russ

 

[Adam G]

Cheers Russ, not that important as I have others that mean something. It's not my birth year though.

 

[BIGASH]

Carry a thermostat in your tool box just incase you need to put it back in. I found without it in mine it was allowing the coolant to flow with no restriction around the system and wasn't staying in the rad long enough to cool it. I popped the thermostat back in and perfect once again. Just a heads up

 

[Russ Rallye]

Yeah its in my spares box just in case James. Has anyone done away with the hose that originally goes to the matrix and just blanked the outlet off on the stat housing and blanked the hose that comes off the T piece in the bottom hose instead of just putting a 180 degree hose on them to close the circuit, would simplify the circuit im my eyes and mean all the coolant would have to go through the radiator, there would be nowhere else to go. Pretty sure my cup racer was setup like that but cant remember and cant get access to any of my pics at the minute.
Russ

 

[itsjamz]

What size hole saw did you use for front panel and bumper. I need to do this i think, I've been worried about overheating before I've even been out. I've made up some shrouding either side, also thought about doing one underneath A little bit lower than splitter too

 

[Russ Rallye]

I think it was a 3" 76mm cutter i used mate.
Russ

 

[NorthloopCup]

What size hole saw did you use for front panel and bumper. I need to do this i think, I've been worried about overheating before I've even been out. I've made up some shrouding either side, also thought about doing one underneath A little bit lower than splitter too

You need the radiator fully enclosed so the air has to go through it and not spill out around the edges mate.

 

[itsjamz]

Yeah I have. Maybe I didn't explain myself properly. Basically all air going in front of car goes towards rad

 

[sonny172cup]

Cars looking good Russ, great job.

 

[dinger]

Cant believe Ive missed this thread Russ,
Great Build mate.
I'm only jumping on the tail end of this so exuse the shortness of my post,

100 degrees isn't that hot for a modern engine Russ, but the removal of your thermostat is going to do more damage to the engine than 120 degrees,
As the water passes through the engine block a lot faster without a stat it doesn't take the heat with it, just leaves hot spots near the cylinders, boiling the surrounding water and causing air locks, even though your temp gauge is reading lets say 95 degrees,
Stick it back in mate, that isn't your problem, I'd say what you have done with the cross member will sort your heat issues.

I'm really fired up for this weekend but my aim is too finish the day in one piece, need those signitures on my licence!

See you on Friday mate,,
Dave

 

[Tony Hunter]

I cut half mine out, seems ok.

Mmm, got me thinking now.

 

[dinger]

Anyone use "water wetter"?

One of my old customers had a TVY Cerbera 500 and couldn't keep the thing cool, 2 pints of that stuff and it dropped the engine temp by 10 degrees, Apparently its has much better heat soak capabilities that water.

Your a naughty boy Tony, put it back in,

 

[Jamie86]

I used it on an Uno turbo and it did drop the temp by a fair few degrees.

 

[BIGASH]

I carry some in the spare box in case of emergencies but never had to use it yet. I've heard its very good.

 

[Russ Rallye]

I'm booked in at Blink for a setup on friday morning, think i'm gonna stick some water wetter in and see what its like, cant do any harm.
Russ

 

[daz-88]

Awesome thread!! Just read it from start to finish! Fair play to you sir! My jealousy is currently through the roof

 

[sonny172cup]

Have you still got the bulk head rubber in, if so, remove it and you will find that there is quite a big gap for the hot air to escape without raising the bonnet.

+1 This is what I have done.

 

[f0xy]

Saw you leaving Blink earlier, I was supposed to be in mid afternoon but I left it a bit later whilst they finished yours. Car looked very tidy!

 

[Russ Rallye]

Thanks jord, E36 coupe by any chance? Had a few issues to sort tonight but hopefully in ready to race tomorrow. We'll see!
russ

 

[f0xy]

Yep, thats the one! Hope all goes well

 

[celgt4]

Fantastic looking car. I hope you don't mind but I have stolen a lot of your ideas to put into my rally car project.
Many thanks and good luck.
Neil

 

[MG cup]

I make that a 2nd and 3rd in class....well done.

Cracking results Russ for your first weekend or any weekend tbh, playing down the car all week lol.
That Saxo must have been a rocket ship.

 

[Carbonraider]

I make that a 2nd and 3rd in class....well done.

Cracking results Russ for your first weekend or any weekend tbh, playing down the car all week lol.
That Saxo must have been a rocket ship.

He was excellent.. Really enjoyed watching russ today. I can assure you that saxo was chasing down the scooby like no tomorrow.. Although have sent ££££ on the engine to produce 220bhp and only weighing 700-800kg I'm not surprised..

 

[Tony Hunter]

Yep, well done Russ.

 

[16xe_chris]

Excellent result Russ, sounded very nice when it was on song.

Here's a few dodgy phone pictures

 

[BIGASH]

Well done Russ was a good weekend for you glad the car went well for you look forward to seeing you out racing again soon!

 

[sonny172cup]

Well done Russ