My valver/172 project

[Matteh]

right, no more fuckups!!


hopefully :dapprove:

back from the machine shop:

crank + bearings cleaned and checked

bottom end decked & honed

came back all nicely wrapped

cleaned!

skimmed!

worried about this though? looks like a bit has broken off :S

just waiting on the rings now from Ben_p and my new HG to arrive before it all goes together...

surely nothing can go wrong now

 

[ditz]

well done mate..
dont worry about that chip, its not in the fire ring so you will be fine.

well done for doing it properly!

bit surprised they havnt cleaned the combustion chambers/ports...

give them a wirebrush on a drill before it goes on mate may aswell clean it up nice

 

[Matteh]

anyone got any contacts in Renault UK/France?


my piston rings are out there... somewhere

 

[Matteh]

OMFG!!

Took MKR in for a service and they had these!

*runs off to build*

 

[Aluco]

More pics ! more i need more !

You better have it built within the hour !

 

[mini-valver]

Awesome new fella! Dont f**k it up now

 

[Matteh]

LMG eyeing up the engine..

1 in

2 in

collection of old piston rings

3 in

4 in and flipped!

con rods going on

oil pump

plastic ..thing on (anti emulsion? :S)

end plate on

sump on

flywheel on

new HG

head on

cams on

cam cover on and cams locked

Cambelt on

and just a trial run of my exhaust to see how it looks before I was stopped by lightning!!

hopefully get all the ancillaries bolted on tomorrow and drop it in!!

 

[Aluco]

Awesome :O

You dont have a job do you ? I hope not

Please update it during the day while im at work !

 

[Matteh]

nope, unemployed

someone hire me tbh :dapprove:

I'm moving up to London next week, so that will change

 

[Aluco]

Hang on a minuite, how do you afford to do this if your unemployed

I can't even afford to insure a standard valver !

 

[Matteh]

I don't need a thread on my finances :dead:

 

[Eliganza]

well done with this project mate, hopefully this'll be the last time u have to put that lump back together eh? haha

 

[Matteh]

has to be

new place is on street parking, so can't be faffing around taking an engine out

 

[Aluco]

I don't need a thread on my finances :dead:

Wasn't meaning to pry mate, was just making a little joke.

 

[Matteh]

sorry, it's just a little touchy at the moment. being out of work sucks!

 

[Aluco]

Hope you get it all sorted soon !

 

[bmh.01]

Looking s**t hot! Heres hoping for this one then eh.

 

[Fred@BTM]

all that effort and you don't have a spare £40 for an engine stand? madman

erm how did you tighten up the cam pulley nut/bolt??

 

[Matteh]

lol, would've been handy.

Problem is the garage is just *full* of boxes, so not really room, and my driveway has quite a slant on it, so couldnt even do it outside. I'm not too fused about building it up on the ground

tightened up the cam pulleys with a torque wrench :S - 45Nm? (+25Nm for the seal on the inlet)

cams were locked with the locking tool.

have I missed something?

 

[Timmay]

cool!

 

[my172]

Looks awesome!! Hope it all works well for you!!

 

[bmh.01]

tightened up the cam pulleys with a torque wrench :S - 45Nm? (+25Nm for the seal on the inlet)

cams were locked with the locking tool.

have I missed something?

Yep 45nm is right according to the manual, seems a little lax to me though.

 

[Fred@BTM]

45nm?? erm no chance WRONG!

its 30nm +86degrees +/- 16degrees for the cam pullies

and you need this tool to do it

 

[bmh.01]

http://getflat.co.uk/pics/3286A-53.pdf

Thats says 45nm though? And thats out the manual for the Ph1 172, although I haven't checked the F4R manual. Although that sounds way more like it, s**tty angle tighting though :dead:.

 

[Fred@BTM]

i'm going off autodata, there's no way its 45nm, look at how tight the crank bolt has to be

 

[bmh.01]

Yeh i'm aware of that as I said above it seems waaaay to loose like you say. Must be a misprint I guess.

edit: Just checked the F4R manual and 30nm then 86 degrees is right, doesn't say about the extra 16 though I guess it can't do any harm as long as it feels ok.

 

[Matteh]

*tightens*

 

[Fred@BTM]

you MUST use the special tool dude

 

[sideways danny]

Fred's right, you need to lock it all AND jam the flywheel while you tighten the crank pulley bolt. Cams are 30Nm + 90degrees on exhaust and 100Nm on inlet as it's a different fixing (hollow bolt not a stud and nut)

 

[Fred@BTM]

^thats not what's on autodata danny, and my chap at r-sport says its 30nm +90degrees

crank is 20nm + 135degrees

 

[Matteh]

I've done them both 30Nm + 90deg... seemed fooking tight!

Fred, I have the timing kit from Sealey and there's no pulley locking tool in that...


anyways, she runs!!

I didn't get any pics (I know you're all gutted ) except for these

Thanks to all of you who are still willing to help me, it's really appreciated

nice to know that there's still people who haven't given up on this project!!

:edit: do you like my workshop manual folder sitting on my windscreen?

 

[Fred@BTM]

no pulley locking tool??? oh dear!!

dude get the proper tools and do the timing correctly, i can't emphasise that enough!!! (you can borrow mine for £25 )

 

[Matteh]

why doesn't the Sealey kit come with it then?

what does it do? surely the pulleys are floating and the main thing is to get the cams locked?

:edit: just had a look, both the Sealey and Laser tools come with cam locking and crank locking tools only - and they've been recommended on here

 

[Fred@BTM]

recommended by people who know sweet FA i'm afraid, if you tighten up the pullies without the pullley locking tool then you'll f**k up the tension of the belt between the pullies and hence f**k the timing, some call me an expert, some call me a t**t but i know my arse from my elbow sunshine

trust me on this, next time ask t**t face here before listening to "the experts of cliosport"

 

[Djw John]

I have to say, I'd be going along with Fred on this one

 

[Fred@BTM]

oh and read this
http://www.angel-works.co.uk/articles/f4rbuild.php

 

[Jay Payne]

Fred is right, as u tighten the pulleys the will move unless locked

 

[Matteh]

sorry Fred, wasn't aiming anything at you, was just more of a query

the Sealey instructions tell you to rotate the belt a couple of times to distribute the tension properly, is that not ok?

 

[Fred@BTM]

i wasn't taking it as you were aiming anything at me mate, its one of my hobbies to take the piss out of the forum experts

i used a sealey kit once, and a laser kit, they both got sent back

remember my mate looks after ALL of the renaultsport race engines for the UK championship i listen to what he tells me, i simply pass on my knowledge



think if you tighten up the crank pulley first, its locked

now you go and tighten up the cam pullies, what does the belt do as you tighten them?????

it'll go tight in one area and then loose in another = fucked cam timing

 

[Matteh]

I see what you're saying

as you tighten, say the exhaust pulley, it will flex slightly and pull the cambelt clockwise.

But, when I redid it this evening for those new torque settings, I locked it all back in TDC. I first locked the crank at TDC and then put in the cam locking tool. this slotted straight in - well, maybe about 1mm out, which at the distance between the cams is negligible, surely? It certainly wasn't miles out.

Why do Sealey and Laser sell the tools if they're not fit for their intended purpose? :S