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Quote: Originally posted by Homer on 19 October 2004
Anybody read it ?
Dont think it is the best road test, but the Ibiza Cupra TDI matched or was quicker than the 182 in every disciplin ! Surely a wake up call for the petrol heads !
Also, their 182 did 22mpg on test ! i couldnt match that on a track day early this year !
Well the Cupra has a TURBO, stick a turbo on the 182 and watch it go.....lol
Simon.
Renault Clio 172 Ph2
cupra r is a waste of time, may aswell buy a fr and revo it, and see about 180bhp. they have come on massive leaps over the years. still sound crap tho, and are to heavy to be good handlers (bar some)
Renault Clio 172 Ph2
c i think the interiors r ok. tho the ibiza is better inside
Clio 172PH2
it was very close actually - both around 0 - 60 6.8secs on the road test,but after that cupra pulled better - still slated for sounding like a diesel and shi*
suspension, ok maybe 50mpg but still over 1500 quid more expensive than theclio,clio actually came out on top overall - get more gear with the clio 2 as well as the leather interior - no matter how crap people might say it is its better than the cupras!
yeh but what about for the missus? she does so many miles being a professional mum and she prefers the clio to the lexus !?!? shame i take the clio to work all the time now, been looking at getting something economical due to the mileage she does and the cupra sounds spot on, im interested in trying one out just because that performance in a diesel sounds stupid
Ok, shall we run the clio 182 on diesel to make it fair then ?Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 19 October 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Homer on 19 October 2004
Anybody read it ?
Dont think it is the best road test, but the Ibiza Cupra TDI matched or was quicker than the 182 in every disciplin ! Surely a wake up call for the petrol heads !
Also, their 182 did 22mpg on test ! i couldnt match that on a track day early this year !
Well the Cupra has a TURBO, stick a turbo on the 182 and watch it go.....lol
Simon.
Seems a bit odd that the 182 won overall, seeing as it only beat the Cupra in one area and that was chassis (the Ibiza won in all other catagories exept for performance, which was equal). I think it is a bit unfair tho seeing as the 182 wasnt standard, it had the cup suspension. Why couldnt they compare both cars totally standard? I am not saying that the Ibiza would handle as well as the 182 but that is not the point, it obviously would have been closer if both cars where standard. The Ibiza also had the better brakes, it was able to stop about 3 metres (I think) less than the 182.
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Posted this couple of weeks back!
Can anyone post the stats on the Ibiza Cupa TDI?
I found these:
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/ibiza/site/choices/models/handler,lang=en,templateId=carspec-ibiza,modelyear=2005,carname=ibiza,trim=Cupra,pagetype=ts.html">http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/ibiza/site/choices/models/handler,lang=en,templateId=carspec-ibiza,modelyear=2005,carname=ibiza,trim=Cupra,pagetype=ts.html
but by reading those it doesnt seem that impressive. Of course, 0 - 60 is nothing, especialy when talking about a diesele which probably does 60mph in 3rd, but still, the mags states that the 0 - 60 was 6.8 for both, so it seems a bit strange. Is it about another Ibiza Cupra TDI model?
Anyway, I guess a chip would see that car really fly
-Chip & Dale
People seem to forget that Diesel is a naturally less calorific fuel(forgive the spelling). Less calories = less power per bang regardless of how it is exploded!!! Its like running a petrol car on 65 RON fuel instead of 95 RON.Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 19 October 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Homer on 19 October 2004
Anybody read it ?
Dont think it is the best road test, but the Ibiza Cupra TDI matched or was quicker than the 182 in every disciplin ! Surely a wake up call for the petrol heads !
Also, their 182 did 22mpg on test ! i couldnt match that on a track day early this year !
Well the Cupra has a TURBO, stick a turbo on the 182 and watch it go.....lol
Simon.
Quote: Originally posted by papa? on 20 October 2004
People seem to forget that Diesel is a naturally less calorific fuel(forgive the spelling). Less calories = less power per bang regardless of how it is exploded!!! Its like running a petrol car on 65 RON fuel instead of 95 RON.Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 19 October 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Homer on 19 October 2004
Anybody read it ?
Dont think it is the best road test, but the Ibiza Cupra TDI matched or was quicker than the 182 in every disciplin ! Surely a wake up call for the petrol heads !
Also, their 182 did 22mpg on test ! i couldnt match that on a track day early this year !
Well the Cupra has a TURBO, stick a turbo on the 182 and watch it go.....lol
Simon.
NO, I know that, I just hate Oil burners, and always have.....its a thing with me, sorry, much prefer a petrol TURBO....
Simon.
Renault Clio 172 Ph2
was a good review. brought mag yesterday. im getting a gas flowed head on my 182 for xmas pressie from LAD so ill jus have to worry bout chipped ones HOPEFULLY. still the 182 got a bigger fun factor, and my 182 is just for weekends and evenings so all good to me! and i think the interiors are ok actually.
Renault Clio 172 Ph2
y? wots wrong with em?
Renault Clio 172 Ph2
its a renault fit option so to me their both std - i mean who buys a 182 n doesnt spec cup suspension
Just do a search on this forum. They seem to claim silly bhp figures, but are not prepared to back up their claims with proof.
Quote: Originally posted by RobHardyUK on 23 October 2004
was a good review. brought mag yesterday. im getting a gas flowed head on my 182 for xmas pressie from LAD so ill jus have to worry bout chipped ones HOPEFULLY. still the 182 got a bigger fun factor, and my 182 is just for weekends and evenings so all good to me! and i think the interiors are ok actually.
Everyone says they are sh*te do not let em touch your clio!
Take it to GDI / Angelworks!
Diesel has more power per liter than petrol (one of the reason for better MPG). Problem is the fact engines need to rev to get power diesels are limited to ~4k due to there heavy moving parts weight.
Also diesels are underfueled as standard its like running a petrol on 60% the fuel it should run on, chipping and tunning boxes up the fueling but there not the optimium way to more power.
One day youll all be convinced of diesel power. Ive just got to win the lottery to prove it.
The 0 - 60 of the Cupra is quoted on the SEAT website as 7.6 yet the magazine got 6.8? At the back of the magazine in the stats it still stated the Ibiza as 7.6.
I know 0 - 60 isnt everything but 7.6 to 6.8 is still quite a bit of difference.
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/ibiza/site/sports/power/main,lang=en,templateId=carspec-ibiza,modelyear=2005,carname=ibiza,eng=1.9+TDi+PD+160.html">http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/ibiza/site/sports/power/main,lang=en,templateId=carspec-ibiza,modelyear=2005,carname=ibiza,eng=1.9+TDi+PD+160.html
I had my Cupra 160 TDI on the Rolling Road yesterday and it put out 180bhp on 3 seperate runs (which would explain the 0-60 time). Before anyone says the rollers where wrong, there was also a Leon Cupra 180 that made 178bhp as standard before my car went on and a 110bhp Toledo that TDI that made 116bhp after me so the rolling road seems to be pretty accurate. I also know of another Ibiza Cupra TDI thay had 175bhp standard with only a few hundred miles on the clock. Both Test Drive mag and Auto Express managed the same times for the Ibiza Cupra TDI so I believe those times. Either way I am not getting into an argument, I was just making what I think is a valid point about the cup pack
