P1 172 Vs Celica T sport.

[Earpl]

Right some nub i know reckons his new celica will pown my 172......

i said "no lol, £100 says different"

offered track,1/4,sprint,hill climb. He chose 1/4 ( santa pod it is lol ).

anyway i've had plenty of experience with the CTS, and tbh i dont think there up to much......

i know the P1's are sharp. but i've not driven it yet although i am pretty confident.

just wondered what anyones view were? car is stripped, matched inlets + few more bits to do, decat etc.

 

[iimushroomzii]

You'll be fine.

 

[Addz]

You'll thrash it, celica's are poop, they do a 190bhp version which is still pap.

 

[gaz44]

Depends what version it is, 140 or 190. The 190 is of similar pace to the 172 but a modded 172 should see it off.

 

[Earpl]

if it was a 140 i'd have put £1000 down lol

its the 190 TS.

 

[Hazza]

You'll be fine! Just don't f**k up the gear changes!!

 

[172Ben]

general automotive media?

You will be fine

 

[Earpl]

general automotive (yes) & motorsport media.

i dunno theres that many bloody forums lol.

 

[AndyWilde]

You will beat him without a shadown of a doubt as long as you get you're two gear changes right

 

[SteveS Cup]

I'd love to see him turn up with no interior, slicks and a f**k off charger hanging out the bonnet! Lol.

Those celicas can make nice cars.

 

[zack40]

lol watch it have a twin turbo v6 under the bonet!!

 

[SteveS Cup]

Oh the thought of it now having a supra twin turbo lump with GT4 running gear!!!! Lol.

2jz no s**t!!!!

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

If his is stripped it will be interesting. Very underated cars, just hope he's not remapped it.

 

[scott7912]

Depends what version it is, 140 or 190. The 190 is of similar pace to the 172 but a modded 172 should see it off.

I thought the TSport was the 190??

Anyway a mate had a 190 a couple of years back, (till the engine blew up), and my old ff182 was quicker from start to finish, also quicker in the corners so i would imagine a ph1 172 would also be quicker.

 

[gaz44]

I thought the TSport was the 190??

Anyway a mate had a 190 a couple of years back, (till the engine blew up), and my old ff182 was quicker from start to finish, also quicker in the corners so i would imagine a ph1 172 would also be quicker.

You may be right, I wasn't sure if the badge covered both engines.

They're not slow, it's just a gutless engine. My mate had the Corolla 190 and it had nothing until 6800rpm. Sod all torque at any revs.

Your mate must have been giving it some proper stick to blow it up! Are they not quite bulletproof, these engines?

 

[SteveS Cup]

Well lotus use the engine so can't be bad.

 

[mr bognor]

Will be a lot closer than people are saying . There not slow and it will not be easy i have had a go in the past !!!

 

[gaz44]

Will be a lot closer than people are saying . There not slow and it will not be easy i have had a go in the past !!!

You're right, there is not much between them in a straight line.

IMO, if the Clio makes no mistakes with the gears, it will be quicker.

 

[raggit]

my mate had a 190 and my last 182 pulled cleanly away.

they are poor for 190 bhp

 

[Chris205]

they are common for blowing engine's, my mate works for toyota and says they're crap

 

[mr bognor]

Had a go with one Tsport 190 and could not pull much on one at all . That was in my Mk1 172 with panel filter cat back and - 75 Kg

my mate had a 190 and my last 182 pulled cleanly away.

they are poor for 190 bhp

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

Lol - even though iirc it was THE most powerfu NA engine per litre in the world at one point

my mate had a 190 and my last 182 pulled cleanly away.

they are poor for 190 bhp

 

[SteveS Cup]

Most powerful NA engine yes!

It'd be interesting to see what happens if you done the same mods to the celica and stripped it out.

STD car vs moded car threads is one of my pet hates.

 

[mr bognor]

True but most performance cars have some bits done to them even if its just an air filter .

Most powerful NA engine yes!

It'd be interesting to see what happens if you done the same mods to the celica and stripped it out.

STD car vs moded car threads is one of my pet hates.

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

My point was it's clearly not a s**t engine. lol

 

[saltyhair81]

It won't give you any trouble, run into few locally on the way to work and seen them off. I doubt a standard Ph1 will have a problem

 

[tyranical]

If his is stripped it will be interesting. Very underated cars, just hope he's not remapped it.

are you thinking of the older one? newest shape celica can't even be remapped without aftermarket ECU apparantly, and even then its a petrol N/A engine the gains are f**k all.

They aren't terrible cars like people are making out here, if it was a battle of build quality and lack of rattles then we know who'd be winning that one, in toe to toe straight line speed i don't personally think there'll be much in it at all, it'll be down to the driver (I have driven both)

Just FYI, the Corolla T sport is just as fast as the Celica, 0-60 times scattered around the net for the Corolla are totally wrong.

 

[mr bognor]

I did and dont think i was driving that poor

It won't give you any trouble, run into few locally on the way to work and seen them off. I doubt a standard Ph1 will have a problem

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

As tyranical said the standard ECU can't be mapped. Lotus use their own software on the engine to make the best of it

 

[saltyhair81]

are you thinking of the older one? newest shape celica can't even be remapped without aftermarket ECU apparantly, and even then its a petrol N/A engine the gains are f**k all.

They aren't terrible cars like people are making out here, if it was a battle of build quality and lack of rattles then we know who'd be winning that one, in toe to toe straight line speed i don't personally think there'll be much in it at all, it'll be down to the driver (I have driven both)

Just FYI, the Corolla T sport is just as fast as the Celica, 0-60 times scattered around the net for the Corolla are totally wrong.

Good figure/comparison would be my mates old Corolla Compressor - Which is a fair bit faster than the T-Sport. The Compressor was very marginally quicker than a standard Ph1 up to three digits.

 

[scott7912]

You may be right, I wasn't sure if the badge covered both engines.

They're not slow, it's just a gutless engine. My mate had the Corolla 190 and it had nothing until 6800rpm. Sod all torque at any revs.

Your mate must have been giving it some proper stick to blow it up! Are they not quite bulletproof, these engines?

A different mate had a corolla tsport also, nice cars but not as quick as RS 1*2's, not far off though, the sound was awsome though. Think the 0-60 times on them were done with a loaded car, same as they did years back with the 306 GTI6, keeps the insurance group down.

When my mates engine blew he was just pulling out of a junction at normal speeds. He had it look at by, Toyota and the AA and they all agreed the engine had been stripped before.
After a 2yrs battle back and fourth with the garage he bought it from they agreed to pay for 50% of the damage.
Toyota quoted him £9000 for a new engine and a few other bits, lol.
He bought a nearly new engine and got it done himself for £3000.

 

[DNP182]

had a play with the tsport 190 a wee while ago. r27 was quicker in a straight line and round the round-abouts! to be fair, there wasn't massive amount in it, but i definately pulled away! quite nice cars though!

 

[kev182cup]

Depends on your Clio if it's a strong 1 you will win if it's poor who knows draw or lose. Concentrate on what your doing not him next to ya. 4k off the clutch then make sure it slips into second then your laughing.

 

[clio_luke]

you will be fine imo. as long as its a fairly standard one.
i have had a play with a couple of them and pulled away a lot easier than i thought.

 

[bmh.01]

Lol - even though iirc it was THE most powerfu NA engine per litre in the world at one point

The honda h20c predates it doesn't it?

 

[Fergie]

I've had my 182 a week now and loving it. When I got it I found myself behind a Celica T Sport (seafront cruiser) he saw my zenons and clearly thought I was one of 'them' and tried to race me.

Having hardly spent any time in the car (I'd only picked it up that afternoon) I sat on his bumper but had to drive hard, I'm still getting used the clutch/gears etc plus I've gone from a turbo diesel so very different power bands. I'd hazzard a guess that the one I had a play wasn't standard but it certainly couldn't get away from a 182 straight-line wise.

 

[gaz44]

I've had my 182 a week now and loving it. When I got it I found myself behind a Celica T Sport (seafront cruiser) he saw my zenons and clearly thought I was one of 'them' and tried to race me.

Having hardly spent any time in the car (I'd only picked it up that afternoon) I sat on his bumper but had to drive hard, I'm still getting used the clutch/gears etc plus I've gone from a turbo diesel so very different power bands. I'd hazzard a guess that the one I had a play wasn't standard but it certainly couldn't get away from a 182 straight-line wise.

So you were one of 'them'.

As previously said, there is sod all difference in a straight line.

 

[Jonnyb182]

clio is slightly quicker not much in it but enough!