Saxo VTS as a track car

mr bognor · Apr 24, 2017

Few more bits done

FARB with Black powerflex bush

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imprezaworks · Apr 24, 2017

Think i prefer the look of the old shifter rod lol.

mr bognor · Apr 24, 2017

Few more bits done

FARB with Black powerflex bush

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Solid gear shifter rods

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Think i prefer the look of the old shifter rod lol.

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mr bognor · May 2, 2017

Another weekend and more bits done so it’s looking more like a car now and not a shell .

New 4-2-1 manifold with new O2 sensor .

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Install was ok and all bolted in .

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New wishbones installed .

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New radiator and coolant pipes installed .

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New induction kit installed with bigger Green air filter

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Had to mover the power steering fillet to a new location to fit the induction kit .

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Darren S · May 2, 2017

massivewangers said:
I am a big fan of the Puma also. It won't match a Clio for space, but they can be bought for absolute peanuts and the steering and gear shift is even better than the Clio. Just rust badly, lack a bit of power and there are fewer modifying parts available. A friend of mine bought a 50k minter for £300 though and it is a riot.

Yep - the Puma is a great shout. The Yahama derived 1.7 lump just loves to be thrashed and I agree with the steering and gearshift feel too.

My wife loved hers - she'd have another one tomorrow. Aside from the dreaded tin-worm (rear arches, especially) and a few starting issues, hers was a good all-rounder. Just a little down on overall umph - I'm convinced if Ford managed to get about 150 brake as stock from these, they would have been even more revered.

Then again, maybe that was the philosophy with these. Great handling, without silly power that would compromise the setup and/or make it too expensive to run and insure?

Goodj · May 2, 2017

Darren S said:
Just a little down on overall umph - I'm convinced if Ford managed to get about 150 brake as stock from these, they would have been even more revered.

Then again, maybe that was the philosophy with these. Great handling, without silly power that would compromise the setup and/or make it too expensive to run and insure?

I present to you......

Darren S · May 3, 2017

Goodj said:
I present to you......

The FRP is lovely - but again, they didn't actually go to town with additional power on them. I'm sure @gally will say whether or not that extra performance would be needed overall though.

Gally · May 4, 2017

Hmmmm it depends. The engine was brilliant. I mean Would and all that handling.... If pushed yeah 180/200 n/a bhp would have suited the weight better as the rest of the car is unfaultable imo.

The power was what everyone commented on. The standard puma didn't really need more than 125 but it was heavy because it was decently quiet etc. The zetec s fiesta would make a better car imo than a standard puma and for some weird reason the brakes were so much better than the puma.

Anyway FRP > all

mr bognor · May 5, 2017

Going to order the suspension but not sure what to go for .

Bilstein B8 front and rear + 160 LB springs
Or
Bilstein Group N front B8 rear + 160 LB springs

???

Goodj · May 5, 2017

mr bognor said:
Going to order the suspension but not sure what to go for .

Bilstein B8 front and rear + 160 LB springs
Or
Bilstein Group N front B8 rear + 160 LB springs

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Why not Gp.N all round?

mr bognor · May 5, 2017

Goodj said:
Why not Gp.N all round?

Read that it makes the rear a bit too stiff as the T bar will stay the same .

mr bognor · May 9, 2017

Few more fun bits done .

Lower strut brace installed .

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Full Grams race exhaust system fitted at 8.5 Kg for the full system .

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Christopher · May 9, 2017

F*cking love it. All of it.

mr bognor · May 9, 2017

Christopher said:
F*cking love it. All of it.

Still got the shocks , springs upper strut brace , track rod ends , solid top mounts , brake callipers , pads , tyres and so on left to do before August so should keep me busy for a few more weekends .

mr bognor · May 22, 2017

Another small update .

Remover the old track rod ends and replaced with new units .

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Then the front and rear brake line changed for some Black Diamond S/S braided units .

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mr bognor · May 24, 2017

So getting close to finishing and am now looking at tyres .

I have seen the below at a good price but what do people think as in not that clued up on track day tyres .

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/nankang/ns-2r/195-50-zr15-86w-450711

Thanks

Alan

mr bognor · May 25, 2017

Ok after some reading I have got it down to the below options for all x 4 tyres

TOYO R888R £ 368

NANKANG NS-2R 120 TRACK £ 304

FEDERAL 595 RS-R £ 238

Does anyone have / used any of the above before .

Alan

imprezaworks · May 25, 2017

I'd go with rsr, I've used them and as an all rounder they are great.

mr bognor · May 25, 2017

imprezaworks said:
I'd go with rsr, I've used them and as an all rounder they are great.

How about just for track use as the car will only be on the road driving to the ring .

Alan

imprezaworks · May 25, 2017

Can't comment on the other makes tbh mate. I've used 888's which I found were good but went off after a few laps at oulton

The rsr although not the out right grip lasted longer and ment you could stay out more. The Nankang I've read arnt that great in the wet, so that might be a consideration?

What about the ado8r's? They are also very good price dependant

mr bognor · May 25, 2017

imprezaworks said:
Can't comment on the other makes tbh mate. I've used 888's which I found were good but went off after a few laps at oulton

The rsr although not the out right grip lasted longer and ment you could stay out more. The Nankang I've read arnt that great in the wet, so that might be a consideration?

What about the ado8r's? They are also very good price dependant

The ADO8R are £ 307 for the x 4 so about the same as the Nankang ones .

I thought that the TOYO 888R were the best for out right grip but did not last as long as the rest ?

imprezaworks · May 25, 2017

I've not used them, maybe @JB21 has?

I'd go with the ado8's or the rsrs personally

Djw John · May 25, 2017

I like the 888s, @Djw Dave didn't rave about the 595s he had, I only used them on a wet road and they were s**t for that!
I'd be going ad08 or 888 depending for you. If it was just local track days I'd be saying 888 but with a decent journey and the way you can't go flat out at the ring all day long I'd be picking the yokos.

Christopher · May 25, 2017

Love the progress, as always

mr bognor · May 30, 2017

So with the bank holiday weekend I have got a lot of things done and she is nearly done for this year and her first trip to the ring in August .

New Bilstein B8 front shocks

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New Bilstein B8 rear shocks

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Grams 160LB – 30 mm front springs

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New top mounts

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Old strut / hub

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New strut / hub with a clean up and a coat of stone chip

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Installed

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Rear strut installed

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New OMP front strut brace

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Installed

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mr bognor · May 30, 2017

New front callipers

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New front CL RC5+ pads

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Installed

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Full brake fluid flush and replaced with Motul RBF 600

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Coolant flushed and replaced with Motul and Motul mo cool

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Car is now off the axel stands and will be taxed and insured then taken out for a test to make sure all is as it should be .

Then the last parts will be track day tyres and tracking and then oil and filter change then she is done for the year and ready for the track .

Next year I will look at front seats , roll cage , rear sub frame + bushing , front brakes from the 306 GTI6 .

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Stay Puft · May 30, 2017

Few picture issues @mr bognor

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Few picture issues @mr bognor

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Budgie · May 30, 2017

Don't forget to do that front hub nut up!

Progress looking good mate!

mr bognor · May 30, 2017

Budgie said:
Don't forget to do that front hub nut up!

Progress looking good mate!

All ready done mate as soon as the wheels went back on .

Don't think I could have lived with the shame if both wheels flew off mid ring trip

mr bognor · Jun 1, 2017

Ok after reading for hours about different track day tyres I was thinking about the Nankang NS-2R , Yoko Advan ADO8R and the Federal 595 RS-R .

Im not going to be chasing lap times and just having some fun so want a stick track tyre so any of the above will be ok in my eyes .

They all seem to be the same and some people say this one is better and other say that is better so I think I am going to go with the Nankang NS-2R for the price and reviews .

The one think im not sure about is the compound as there is a 180 street and a 120 Track but im not sure if you can still get the 120 anymore .

I can get the NS-2R in 180 for £ 59.20 per corner ???

Alan

mr bognor · Jun 2, 2017

So the car is up and running and will be tax and insured so I can give it a test on the road but the idle is a bit lumpy so for the sake of around £ 50 I have changed all the sensors that are the common fault for rough running / idle .

I had the same problem with my old Civic Type R and this was the ICV .

The four sensors were below

ICV sensor

MAP sensor

Air sensor

Coolant sensor

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MarkT · Jun 5, 2017

Loving the build. I was looking potentially at a VTS myself for a track car, before I ended up with the Clio. As you know decent ones are like hen's teeth and just couldn't find one. Effectively a 106 GTi which has a highly revered chassis. Cant wait to see some ring video!

mr bognor · Jun 5, 2017

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Loving the build. I was looking potentially at a VTS myself for a track car, before I ended up with the Clio. As you know decent ones are like hen's teeth and just couldn't find one. Effectively a 106 GTi which has a highly revered chassis. Cant wait to see some ring video!

Yeah just need Tyres and tracking and its done

Will be fun to see how it gets on round the ring as last year I drove the rent 4 ring swift and they were very good so I hope the old Saxo can be around as good .

Alan

Christopher · Jun 5, 2017

Awesome progress.
I bet you can't wait to get out there now.

mr bognor · Jun 5, 2017

Christopher said:
Awesome progress.
I bet you can't wait to get out there now.

9 weeks and counting mate lol

We go on the Monday 07/08/17 Till the Friday so will have 3 afternoon sessions so yes I cant wait .

The Mrs will be driving the VTS there and I will be taking the Fiesta St but she has banned me from taking the Fiesta on track 😧

mr bognor · Jun 19, 2017

So after the weekend and 5 months the little Saxo VTS track car is finished ( for this year )

I had to re blead the cooling system again but she is now finished bar some track tyres that will go on next week .

All washed and given a good clean inside and out and roll on the 07/08/17 J

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imprezaworks · Jun 19, 2017

Is it the ground or does it sit quite high at the back?

mr bognor · Jun 19, 2017

No it sits high at the rear with nothing at the rear and the T bar is at stock ride height and the front is - 30 mm so makes it even more so .

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Is it the ground or does it sit quite high at the back?

Coops Mk1 · Jun 20, 2017

not tempted to reset the rear slightly lower to keep it more level, surely its going to nose down badly under braking like that?

overall though great work on the refit and for not actually 'ruining' it as all the bits are just bolt on anyway! lovely stuff!

Saxo VTS as a track car

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