I gave a technical reason why a 400bhp evo is quicker, maybe not better ill give you that but I explained how it would be quicker, however I disagree people won't "mind" because you often give technical clarification regardless a lot of people hate you. But I'm sure you're exactly like me mind, you don't really give a s**t if people like you on a forum.
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I gave a technical reason why a 400bhp evo is quicker, maybe not better ill give you that but I explained how it would be quicker, however I disagree people won't "mind" because you often give technical clarification regardless a lot of people hate you. But I'm sure you're exactly like me mind, you don't really give a s**t if people like you on a forum.
SQ5
It's equal though not quicker.
PS
I do actually agree though that if you just want to buy a car and then never work on it a turbo clio is a bad choice, invariably they require something which the Evo doesnt which is development, as there is no fixed answer of how a clio turbo should be built so each one will have good and bad points. But for those of us that ENJOY working on cars and developing them that is just part of the fun.
If that isnt something that interests you, then dont build one.
Want a reliable fairly quick trackday car for similar price, buy an E36 M3, but it will still cost a lot more to run than a hot hatch, even a turbo one.
I do actually agree though that if you just want to buy a car and then never work on it a turbo clio is a bad choice, invariably they require something which the Evo doesnt which is development, as there is no fixed answer of how a clio turbo should be built so each one will have good and bad points. But for those of us that ENJOY working on cars and developing them that is just part of the fun.
If that isnt something that interests you, then dont build one.
Want a reliable fairly quick trackday car for similar price, buy an E36 M3, but it will still cost a lot more to run than a hot hatch, even a turbo one.
Sorry, not your pump. Your power steering fluid bottle.
Oh, and you got your rocker cover breather filter that gets boiling hot and seeps oil, don't forget to prop that up somewhere, because it likes to burn holes into your silicone hosing.
and you got your coil pack that likes to fall off its mount because the engine mounts are so solid , and that likes to fall over the back and lean on the turbo, boiling hot metal against electrics is always fun.
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It had worn out rings, thats why it was breathing heavy, and it hence needed the rebuild im giving it now, just like an evo with worn rings would do
Anyway its safe to say that they are such different cars that people are likely to chose if they want a heavy 4wd car that eats tyres or a lighter fwd car that hasnt got as much grip in loose conditions, the bottom lien though is that a clio like mine IS as quick as a 400bhp Evo, and thats all the OP wanted to get a gauge of, not the intricacies of servicing each one etc, so I just cant work out who you think your posts are actually useful to?
Factor in the build and development cost of the clio you'd get a years worth of trackdays and consumables for the bimmer. Also the M3 will be much easier to sell when you get bored of it. Horses for courses but I certainly wouldn't mark the M3 as a more expensive option.
It came loose once for me, so I fixed it on different with lock nuts, if you kept letting it rattle loose again and again and again without fixing the reason why then it just highlights why you personally should never have a modified car TBH mate, the things you are going on about are all just minor things that over time I sort out when I own a car like this, if you arent of that mindset though it isnt the sort of car for you, but that doesnt stop it being ideal for me.
I like to do 20 trackdays a year, I can get part worn 15" trackday tyres readily for the clio, that alone in the BMW would very quickly close the gap on cost you are talking about, and personally I tend to keep cars for several years anyway, and can always pull the clio apart and sell it in bits if no one wants to give good money for it whole.
You'd find part worn 17s for the bimmer just as easy for not a lot more monies. E46 M3 would be much more expensive prospect.
Ill have to get myself a car that doesn't need locknuts to hold the coil pack down then, perhaps an evo.
and as you so say, obviously a turbo clio is only suitable for people with knowledge like you. Which gives even more reason why an evo is better, you don't need to be a guru to run one.
oh by the way, I used locknuts till they disappeared, you'll see that sooner rather than later too.
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
You should buy an evo and then sign up to mlr
Who was you calling a knob?
Aydon182 by the looks of it. Think you probably posted while adam was typing his post
Well I did it when I first got the car as I added some nimbus under the coilpack just in case and they were still tight when I took the engine out to rebuild it. But honestly all these things you are talking about are just nothing, just a few mins prep before a trackday to make sure it's all in order.
We clearly have very different mentalities, I carry things to ring and spa trackdays like spare hubs in case I need to swap one out if a wheel bearing fails and a spare starter etc, you sound like you would be all upset if it rained and you had to change tyres.
We clearly will never agree on if its acceptable to have to do very minor maintainance on a car or not as we are of such clearly different mind sets. If it gets me there then I enjoy the day and I make it home and don't have to do much to it then I'm happy, I couldn't care less if I need to occasionally replace a ten quid hose or tighten a bolt so long as I don't actually end up stranded somewhere.
Some of the lads from vauxsport I was camping with at the pod one year took their engine and box out in the camping field and changed the clutch as it was slipping and they still had a good weekend!
Why do you always do posts that are like answers to questions no one asked?
are you hurt that people have realised your previous comments were nonsense?
I am already a member on the evo forums thanks, you can buy me an evo if you like.
now let this thread die, like your brain. It's extremely boring now.
len_beach
ClioSport Club Member
E92 M3,172 track car
You've got to look at both sides of the fence IMO. There is no better or worse.
In the grand scheme of things, the Clio is a tinny, noisy, badly made French can and when it was my daily it used to break silly things constantly. That said, it is incredibly capable and with a sensible amount of boost, you are only accentuating the Clio's strengths without really adding further weakness.
In comparison, my M3 would destroy a standard 172, I'd guess (having not driven or come up against a turbo 172) be a fairly close drag with a turbo 172 but in most day to day situations and general life be a million times nicer place to be and probably quicker point to point due to the electric everything, chassis engineering etc.
That said, my M3 was 35k whereas a turbo Clio would be what 10k. Not everyone wants an Evo or M3 or the cost for that matter.
The satisfaction I'm sure comes from knowing you've taken an underdog and turned it into something the naive cant get their head around.
You have to appreciate both for what they are. Just because a well driven M3 would be on a par with a 360/430 in a straight line doesn't mean it's better.
In the grand scheme of things, the Clio is a tinny, noisy, badly made French can and when it was my daily it used to break silly things constantly. That said, it is incredibly capable and with a sensible amount of boost, you are only accentuating the Clio's strengths without really adding further weakness.
In comparison, my M3 would destroy a standard 172, I'd guess (having not driven or come up against a turbo 172) be a fairly close drag with a turbo 172 but in most day to day situations and general life be a million times nicer place to be and probably quicker point to point due to the electric everything, chassis engineering etc.
That said, my M3 was 35k whereas a turbo Clio would be what 10k. Not everyone wants an Evo or M3 or the cost for that matter.
The satisfaction I'm sure comes from knowing you've taken an underdog and turned it into something the naive cant get their head around.
You have to appreciate both for what they are. Just because a well driven M3 would be on a par with a 360/430 in a straight line doesn't mean it's better.
Indeed its all about what an individual wants from their car.
Personally I enjoy doing the same pace round a circuit in a clio more than I do in an M3 or an Evo, as the smaller tinny not so refined ride actually makes it feel more exciting, and seeing as im doing trackdays not racing, its how much fun it is that matters not what laptimes I actually get.
Personally I enjoy doing the same pace round a circuit in a clio more than I do in an M3 or an Evo, as the smaller tinny not so refined ride actually makes it feel more exciting, and seeing as im doing trackdays not racing, its how much fun it is that matters not what laptimes I actually get.
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shame this thread went to s**t by some 1 rabbling on about s**te, you seem to love evo's so much so why don't you save some cash and sell your clio and buy 1. people do these things i.e turbo clio's for the enjoyment of building the whole project and making a hot hatch even quicker which seems to be something you can't grasp AYDON but i suppose thats the thing when you buy 1 thats already been done by someone else you never get the enjoyment of accomplishing what you set out to do
Yeah I love Evo's so much, actually it all stemmed from OP mentioning the evo and someone which was adiment about his car being equal with the evo in question to which I disagree'd the evo wasn't a car I pulled out my ass which you seem to think, if I wanted to bring up a car that would be a lot faster of my own back I'd start mentioning super cars.
Obviously it's always going to cause an argument on a biased forum if I mention cars that are better that the car the forum is about, don't be hurt by it. And I know the satisfaction, I've built supercharged 205 gti's and helped a z20let build with a friend. Which I doubt you've actually done anything.
ive personally owned a clio turbo, so I actually give my full consent on building one, they are amazing. You seem to think I'm here slagging clio's off to the ground.
But whatever, people like you really don't read and understand. So I'm done here.
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imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
ok, bye (imagine me waving)
Ph1 T
The enjoyment / knuckle scraping is mostly what i did it for
+1 along with the headaches long hours ect
Best thing you have posted! Ruined this thread.
Sorry I made your ass swore.
Spent the best part of 6-7 hours this weekend swapping out the turbo stud and nuts this weekend. HIgh maintenance cars
Clio T 314hp c43 AMG
Tbh you did continue to come out with a load of mindless garbage, attacking People with every comment you made.
No need.
No need.
Ph1 T
Spent the best part of 6-7 hours this weekend swapping out the turbo stud and nuts this weekend. HIgh maintenance cars
That is one job I hope I never ever ever have to do lol
Yeah absolute t**t of a job, had to remove the turbo from the car. Going to weld up a bracket / link to brace the downpipe to the engine block to stop it flexing against the downpipe/trubo join (thanks sidewaysdanny for suggestion
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Allan-
ClioSport Club Member
+1 to laine, i have the turbo / engine out on the dimma atm need to replace all the studs aswell.
But i took the easy option and pulled the engine out, did new clutch gear box cambelt etc at the same time.
Got to drop it all back in soon.
But i took the easy option and pulled the engine out, did new clutch gear box cambelt etc at the same time.
Got to drop it all back in soon.
My clio turbo versus m3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=73DwNDSnoEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=73DwNDSnoEE
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
iirc the m3 was on a cool down lap?????
Only joking. Remind me to move out the way when me and dan do a trackday lol
Only joking. Remind me to move out the way when me and dan do a trackday lol
Jump to 4 mins in on this video for the front facing vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy6hPSVKCVE
Wouldnt worry about that mate, by the time you notice me I will already be gone, flol
Typical figures IME:
Clio 172 : 150lbft & 170bhp
ITB and cams Clio 172 : 170lbft & 210bhp
My Clio turbo : 310lbft and 280bhp
ITB's gain you 20lbft and 40bhp, my turbo setup gains me 160lbft and 110bhp.
Its just not a contest.
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