Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Yes the guy that posted it was asking for it, and yes this is a 172 forum, but some of you dont half talk some utter drivel.
Some of the ill informed comments are not worth listening to, and the fact you are all so adamant about the 172s capabilities is amusing.
If I want toys Ill buy I wanky Vectra. The CTR is a DRIVERS car hence the lack of gimmicky crap.
Its all extra weight which slows it down, even renault think this which is why talking about ditching 172 and adding ABS and aircon to Cup.
I wont get into I beat this and that like you lot seem to, I have wasted 172s, but its not always about the car, 40% of the reason is driver too.
When looking for a car, I tried the CTR, the 172, the Cooper-S, Cupra R, but as Cupra was too dull and 172 and the S have NO legroom and stupid steering wheels I went for the CTR. Widely regarded across the mags as the best alrounder.
Performance wise its close, the CTR is faster, but barely. The engine and gearbox and chassis, no arguments, are the best in its class.
And I l;augh my arse off at the fact all you can ever say is Bread van MPV etc etc Its pretty weak.
I think the clio is completely feminine, nad its very amusing to see a 6 bloke climbing out of one.
I await the replies!
