182 crash car project

clio182nurburg · Oct 24, 2010

Thought I'd start a thread for my new project.
Basically my mate crashed it @nurburgring with me in the passenger seat ..and I bought it off him not knowing its true condition...only just saved fron scrap heaven.
Just repairing it to start with and adding a few hidden upgrades along the way.
It already had Apex lowering springs on it. + one of those BMC? carbon intake things but i've given that back and put the origional airbox with CAF's in.
Ive now added KTR Braided brake hoses with some new dot 4 fluid.
Aswell as changing the front subframe, o/s wishbone, rear axle and o/s/r stub axle. O/S driveshaft, o/s inner and outer tie rod and lower balljoint. + reverse switch and front wing, foglight and headlight washer!:dapprove:
Found small debris in the gearbox that had been throw in when the d'shaft got ripped out... flushed it through a couple of times now and all seems well.

looking at getting powerflex dogbone bush and k&n panel filter put on the old girl next week + some alacantra a pillars and handbrake cover to smarten up the interior.
anybody got any idea how much it should cost to get the rear quarter fixed? would they bang it out & filler/paint or cut/weld/paint new panel?

armco damage

Snapped balljoint and bent wishbone!

172blue · Oct 24, 2010

looks like a good project if it was cheap

Jon.G · Oct 24, 2010

How much did it cost to bring this back from the ring?

chrispy.clio · Oct 24, 2010

I remember seeing the thread on here about that car getting smashed up at the ring

Thats some fairly hard ring sting.

Glad to see you saved it.

Have/are you going to straighten up the metal behind the wing?

Alastair. · Oct 24, 2010

how much was it £500?

Pete.M · Oct 24, 2010

AliBailey88 said:
how much was it £500?

Are you suggesting that's all it's worth? It's probably worth 2k in parts alone so your 500 valuation is pretty low

Alastair. · Oct 24, 2010

pm127 said:
Are you suggesting that's all it's worth? It's probably worth 2k in parts alone so your 500 valuation is pretty low

sorry, really sorry

Dave.. · Oct 24, 2010

From some one who has done it before, you could buy a straight one for the money it would cost to repair.

That's traditionally why insurance companies "write cars off"

kev182cup · Oct 24, 2010

looks like a big hit. id be worried about the chasis being straight, dunno how knowledgeable you are though and you were there in the crash.

Pete.M · Oct 24, 2010

AliBailey88 said:
sorry, really sorry

What's that ment to mean? You have obviously been here a while... Doing a great job of making new people feel welcome man!

Anyway to the OP if your anywhere near Manchester I know a very good body shop thats reasonable price wise, PM if interested and I'll give you his details.

clio182nurburg · Oct 25, 2010

C182 crash car project

Clearly a mixed response. Im sure you doubters will be converted in time..

I bought the car knowing it could go one way or the other.
For just over 1.1k. knowing I could get 1500+ in parts for it.
45K miles, FSH, just had service and belts. and I got all the original wheels, cd player/ airbox etc off my mate.

After pulling all the damage parts off I decided I had to have a go at fixing it. as theres no chassis damage.

here we are few weeks later, ive fitted £600 of parts, mainly second hand and £100 of fluids/consumables! and the car drives, well, faultlessly it appears.. :approve:the first test drive was saturday and TBH I was blown away by the constant acceleration which just keeps going and going!.

Damn thing is faster than my oldskool golf gti, which i always though was rapid. Although the accelerator is quite sensitive at 5-6krpm which slighly unsettles the car every if your always on/off the throttle. Whats the deal with the kickdown on the pedal?

it had 15" alloys as you see with 195 Federal RSR's on it, and it wasnt up to much on track, not bad but doenst have the turn in capability it should have. the 205 wide exaltos Ive just put back on with the standard alloys feel good.

not too fussed about bodywork for a while, but i will get some quotes before Christmas.
M.o.t needed in 5 weeks so we'll so how that goes, got a friendly tester shouldnt be too bad at all.

The standard Stereo is rather good isnt it! still couldnt help but put some decent front speakers in and now its great.

Pics soon.

welshname · Oct 25, 2010

looks like a fun project. i remember seeing the ring pictures of this crashed, what did you friend get instead?

Christopher · Oct 25, 2010

Cool. I've got lots of respect for people that do this kinda thing, if done properly.

Even if it only lives again as a track car, fair play to you.

clio182nurburg · Oct 25, 2010

Jon.G said:
How much did it cost to bring this back from the ring?

£600 my mate sucked up all the cost before i bought it.

chrispy.clio said:
I remember seeing the thread on here about that car getting smashed up at the ring Thats some fairly hard ring sting.

Glad to see you saved it.

Have/are you going to straighten up the metal behind the wing?

Ive pulled it out with a ratchet strap attached to a concrete fence post!
had to use a trolley jack and a piece of wood to bend up the wing mounting bracket at the front because it rubbed on the wheel when going over bumps when I first test drove it .

rhysbartley said:
looks like a fun project. i remember seeing the ring pictures of this crashed, what did you friend get instead?

A Ford puma! 1.7? or 1.9 something like that. bit of a costly weekend that was...

Christopher · Oct 25, 2010

1.7, it'll be.

clio182nurburg · Oct 25, 2010

Few pics of the bent bits

Bent stub axle & beam

Bent Front Subframe

Bent wheels x 3!

Destroyed inner CV

[video]http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/spcarbikeservices/?action=view&current=100_0532.mp4[/video]

GeorgeH · Oct 25, 2010

Brilliant, love these projects, no doubt it will be a pain but defo worth it in the end right? Good luck to you buddy!

JCS_182 · Oct 25, 2010

Good luck with the project, plans sound good. I'll be keeping an eye on it.

clio182nurburg · Oct 25, 2010

Anyone know what this piece of trim is and where it goes??

Bent track rod

Managed to buy a silver 172 wing but it was Iceberg silver I think not titanium so still got to spray it!:dapprove:

As she stands!

clio182nurburg · Oct 30, 2010

Some bits arrived this week so put the new k&n panel filter on.:approve:
Cleaned out the inlet bend and throttle butterfly as the Old BMC carbox intake thing let too much dust through.
Fitted the powerflex dogbone bush wish was not too hard. 30mins max.
You could tell there was play in the big rear o.e.m bush. much better now.

fitting the alacantra a pillars and handbrake cover tomorrow, more pics then..

halfway through cleaning!

Brookie. · Oct 30, 2010

Awesome work man! If you get it fixed up for as cheap as you say you could keep it a few years and not loose too much at all!

subarufreak · Oct 30, 2010

nice work on saving the car from the scrapheap
first look, I think the rear quarter can be repaired and will be the cheapest way I think

rsRob · Oct 30, 2010

The piece of random plastic trim fits at the base of the wind screen in the corner on the drivers side below the main piece of scuttle trim. The white bit secures it into place.

Nice work saving it!

Demi · Oct 31, 2010

awesome project!

clio182nurburg · May 14, 2011

well we've put 4 or 5k miles on the car since having it.
Fitted some alacantra A pillars and handbrake surround. And an ally footrest.
just to smarten up the interior.
But now got some problems!
the gearbox has just let go... 1st and 2nd are not there anymore. I think it sustained a fair whack in the crash.
I've got a 172 box to put in.
Going to start on it tomorrow probably.
will post pics as I go. probably need some help.

clio182nurburg · May 22, 2011

Thought Id post afew pics of my gearbox & clutch & ARB bush change Ive started
172 gearbox to go on

the new gearbox has a worn clutch release bearing shaft as the pic shows so Ive swapped the old one on to it.

This is the speedo drive on the 129 code gearboxes. i just remove it and filled the hole with silicone? but not blocking the drive from still spinning of course

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57427&d=1305973277

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57420&d=1305973210

Gearbox off! yey!

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57474&d=1306057036

New clutch

Old clutch

Old vs new release bearing

New release bearing fitted and release bearing shaft swapped over due to wear.
copper slip used as lube should be ok.

I think the slop in the gearstick linkage has gone. The new box came with standard linkage wheras the previously fitted box had the aftermarket short shirt linkage. the hole was 0.2mm bigger and this translated to left /right slop in the gearstick.
There is also a plastic shim which prevents verical play at the joint which I never had before which seems to work a treat.

Black Phoenix · May 23, 2011

Subscribed.

Jonny1*2 · May 23, 2011

nice work fella, keep it up

. Just a thought though. Would it not be a good idea to focus on the body work/chassis damage initially? You got any videos of the crash?

clio182nurburg · May 29, 2011

Its done! PICS TO FOLLOW
Ive fitted...

172 gearbox (129 CODE) with speedo drive removed and capped with silicone sealant. WITH STANDARD LINKAGE, VERY IMPORTANT!

New clutch wasnt Valeo but it bites really well. (Torque of clutch bolts 20Nm)

Powerflex Inner and Outer Anti-roll Bar Poly bushes. (outer bush bolts 13MM HEAD , M8 x 30mm w/Nyloc buts get yourself new ones I sheared both sides)

Ive reshaped the flat hole at the top of the strut tower as when the wheel got pulled outwards in the crash the suspension rod bent the lip of the hole just under the top mount. the metal wasnt that strong so just bashed it back all straight. no more odd clicks that sometimes happened when turning the steering wheels

Dont try inner ones if subframe on car IMO. They were hard to clamp up!
Had to! de-rust and paint some bits on the Anti Roll bar. There was a suprising amount of rust under the actual bushes. I used a angle grinder w/flap disc and took the rust off.

I really struggled with removing one of the track rod ends from the hub as it kept spinning even after jacking under it. so cut the nut abit and chisseled it off only to find an odd pitch thread on the track rod and had no nuts to fit it!
bleeding the coolant system was entertaining. your best to fill the heater matrix best you can before putting hoses back on the bulkhead connectors.

Anyway the car is 100 times better than ever. I didnt know 182 gearboxes could actually be nice! I just assumed they were all s**te! have learnt that quickshift linkages are very bad!
all the slop has gone and the gears are so easy its unreal!
going out for a drive later:race:

Jonny

.I think they're two seperate things.
Chassis, then bodywork. You can drive a car hard with poor bodywork but not poor chassis.
What do you think I could do with looking at?
It drives straight, no excess tyre wear, no noises/whines.
Its had new subframe and axle.

Brand new front bumper has been sourced! hopefully with get the wing/bumper done soon.

andywa · Jun 19, 2011

Any updates mate?

hughski · Jun 19, 2011

legend mate!!!!

clio182nurburg · Dec 28, 2012

Well its been a while... 18months since last update... and time to spend some cash on the old girl.

So, I've fitted an RS192 exhaust system, the o.e.m exhaust had just about had its day, it cracked all around the silencer so had to go. Fitting wasnt too bad, noise is nice, its fairly quiet unit you cane it then it gives off a nice bit of noise but not too in your face.

Some good condition seats were then purchased and fitted as the others obviously had the airbags pop out when we had our incident at the Nurburgring.

Now I've turned my attention to the bodywork. I acquired a genuine new front bumper and have just had it sprayed in Titanium silver. I've took the damaged bumper off and swapped all the grilles/ fogs/ headlight washers over, I needed one new headlight washer as the drivers side had started leaking badly and would lose all the washer fluid in the tank in afew days. I also got a new foglight surround as I never recovered the drivers side one from the side of the Nordschliefe.

Now a week ago just before I was going to fit the bumper, 1st a van came onto my side of the road and smashed the wingmirror off, and then a day later the waterpump let go in a big way and had to be recovered by RAC as the car wouldnt hold any water at all. To be fair, it was my fault, I had heard a noise for months which sounded like a mild dephaser noise, turns out it was the water pump bearing telling me, "I'm fooked replace me." Odd since it has a new water pump 34k miles ago according to the service book. Whilst its apart, I though I'd have a play..
much more detail to come when I upload pics/videos

So this week, I've set to work on it,

Replaced mirrors
2nd hand fog light surround £10
New Renault Waterpump £38.50 bargain
New Renault Aux Belt Kit £72.00 Ebay
New Headlight washer jet £11ish
New front bumper £100ish + £120 spraying
New Wiper blades £8
New 9 L.E.D number plate lamp £4ish
New Cree 3W L.e.d reverse lights £12
Removed o.e.m inlet pipe & replaced with black ASH 70mm silicone hose + 15mm mini oil breather £20
Removed Carbon Canister - 1KG
Removed large! dead weight under top engine mount -3KG
Removed Acoustic Valve -1 KG
Sanded & polished cracked/uv degraded head lights

LOOKS LIKE ALL MY PHOTOS ARE TOO LARGE SO ILL BE BACK LATER WHEN I'VE RESIZED THEM ALL!

clio182nurburg · Dec 28, 2012

Induction elbow install/cleaned Throttle Body

Removing carbon canister

Blanked off vacuum pipe that wnt to carbon canister, used some silicone & a bolt

This is the fuel vapour pipe that runs from tank to carbon canister

Disconnected it here near the back or the subframe and blanked it off with a bolt, silicone & some tape

Tied the solenoid up out the way

clio182nurburg · Dec 28, 2012

anti vibration weight removal

its bolted from underneath the top engine mount

old damaged bumper

old bumper off and stripped

new bumper with all parts transferred and ready to fit

hole in water pump from bearing collapse

bearings have clearly been fooked for a while, you can see where the impeller has scraped the pump body

cheers van driver

Aux belt kit ready to fit

headlight after sanding the crap out of it

Just waiting on the water pump to come through the post now!

UKBraderz · Dec 28, 2012

Briliant read so far! Keep up the great work, wish I was capable of doing something like this...

KielT · Dec 28, 2012

Just had a read of this and hats off to ya! Mental dedication lad!

clio182nurburg · Dec 28, 2012

Cheers guys, I'll keep working on it and keep posting, here's a vid of how knackered the waterpump was.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/embed/e8rlWE2f3bY?list=UUaF47yIo9gdekfmKaJjE0Qg[/video]

It looks like the rocker cover may have an oil leak, but it could be just from oil spilt from the oil fill hole, I've cleaned it all up and Ill keep an eye on it and see if it comes back, not sure it thats a simple inlet off then rocker off job or not.

There seems to be alot of Suffolk lads on cliosport, Im a Bury lad myself, just moved away a few years ago.

NorthloopCup · Dec 28, 2012

I was at the very corner this car crashed at and saw the whole thing!! Small world eh!!

KielT · Dec 28, 2012

clio182nurburg said:
Cheers guys, I'll keep working on it and keep posting, here's a vid of how knackered the waterpump was.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/embed/e8rlWE2f3bY?list=UUaF47yIo9gdekfmKaJjE0Qg[/video]

It looks like the rocker cover may have an oil leak, but it could be just from oil spilt from the oil fill hole, I've cleaned it all up and Ill keep an eye on it and see if it comes back, not sure it thats a simple inlet off then rocker off job or not.

There seems to be alot of Suffolk lads on cliosport, Im a Bury lad myself, just moved away a few years ago.

That pump did sound abit shagged mate. Yeah there is a few of us now, ah really? Where you now then if you not living in bury?

clio182nurburg · Dec 30, 2012

Northloop Cup - Did you speak to us?, I think I spoke to one lad who mentioned 172's, although where we crashed there was no-one about for ages and ages! its that right hander that really tightens a couple of mins into the lap.

KielT I'm based in Rugby, Warwickshire now, At the end of the A14, Cambridge direction about 95miles from Bury, Still come down every couple of weeks.

So I've finished the job.:drunk: And then drove the car 120miles back up to Manchester! :race: The car is running beautifully now, engine as quiet as an F4R can be.
I've realised all the water pumps have a little machined hole in them near the bearing, no idea what for? the new renault one did and when I cleaned the old pump up found the hole was machined and not infact punctured by bits of bearing, although it was a none genuine part, which failed at 35K miles :dapprove:

I have found one more fault though :banghead: When I went to put the top engine mount back on I could hear fluid sloshing around inside it, I though thats odd and tipped it upside down... Full of rusty water! Turns out the mount has half failed and will eventually shear clean in half? must have been like that since the Nordschliefe incident! Since even a cheap standard one is about £55?, I guess I'll be going down the Vibratechnics Fast road mount route in afew weeks.

Pics for your enjoyment

Genuine gear to fit

Pump hole on block! took ages to clean the old seal off correctly, you can see where the pump impeller was also hitting the block!

Pump fitted, 9 bolts ~ 17Nm, after this the pulley goes on, 3 bolts ~ 20Nm

Idler pulley fitted (32Nm I think) & spring tensioner pulley (57Nm on the 8mm hex, then 23Nm i think on the two at either end of the spring) fitted then Aux belt using hose clip trick & home made tool.