Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
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Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
LOL. Well the plus side is my mate, which if you read fast ford you will have seen it has one currently, and has been in the Ford scene for years. So it'll be with him just 2 minutes from here all the time
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Just a thought anyway, I'm just up in the air with it at the moment. Anyway digression.
James rods.
LOL. Well the plus side is my mate, which if you read fast ford you will have seen it has one currently, and has been in the Ford scene for years. So it'll be with him just 2 minutes from here all the time
.Just a thought anyway, I'm just up in the air with it at the moment. Anyway digression.
James rods.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Having read through this thread, id rather FailSport built me a racecar than TDF. Would certainly be more reliable lol.
Shame to engine about the latest failure James, im sure Fred will sort it out, just like everything else on the car ...
Having read through this thread, id rather FailSport built me a racecar than TDF. Would certainly be more reliable lol.
Shame to engine about the latest failure James, im sure Fred will sort it out, just like everything else on the car ...
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Ok, but what about the above?
Ok, but what about the above?
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Ditto - considering it was SUPPOSED to be 215+ bhp but it's still running on the standard old 182 injectors lol
I don't think it's been re-mapped at all since it was done at TDF - so who knows where the fuelling was at.
Either way - I'm sure James hadn't really planned for this but the cars getting a full rebuild over winter anyway from what I can gather - so it's a perfect opportunity to have a proper engine built and be even more competitive in it next year - every cloud and all that
Ditto - considering it was SUPPOSED to be 215+ bhp but it's still running on the standard old 182 injectors lol
I don't think it's been re-mapped at all since it was done at TDF - so who knows where the fuelling was at.
Either way - I'm sure James hadn't really planned for this but the cars getting a full rebuild over winter anyway from what I can gather - so it's a perfect opportunity to have a proper engine built and be even more competitive in it next year - every cloud and all that
James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic Heavy
There's no faulting Matts ECU calibration skills, having driven the Burpspeed car it's a peach to drive. Obviously that's coupled with a great engine build by Danny.
As for everything else he does, I'm not getting involved with that. James has asked me and plenty other people on here not to say anymore on it so we should honour his wishes. There's enough evidence for people now to make their own minds up.
Nick
There's no faulting Matts ECU calibration skills, having driven the Burpspeed car it's a peach to drive. Obviously that's coupled with a great engine build by Danny.
As for everything else he does, I'm not getting involved with that. James has asked me and plenty other people on here not to say anymore on it so we should honour his wishes. There's enough evidence for people now to make their own minds up.
Nick
Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Get your facts straight. Paul at RS Tuning has made amendments to it prior to leaving, but Matt and Paul work fairly closely, I can't see any reason to doubt either of them.
You seem pretty quick to judge as per usual considering I'm willing to bet you've never used them.
Ditto - considering it was SUPPOSED to be 215+ bhp but it's still running on the standard old 182 injectors lol
I don't think it's been re-mapped at all since it was done at TDF - so who knows where the fuelling was at.
Either way - I'm sure James hadn't really planned for this but the cars getting a full rebuild over winter anyway from what I can gather - so it's a perfect opportunity to have a proper engine built and be even more competitive in it next year - every cloud and all that
Get your facts straight. Paul at RS Tuning has made amendments to it prior to leaving, but Matt and Paul work fairly closely, I can't see any reason to doubt either of them.
You seem pretty quick to judge as per usual considering I'm willing to bet you've never used them.
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
What a silly statement, depends on how its calibrated, Harveys was used for development for ford on the puma engines for example, and that was TUV approved in order to do so!
What a silly statement, depends on how its calibrated, Harveys was used for development for ford on the puma engines for example, and that was TUV approved in order to do so!
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
TBh I havent really read fast ford a lot the last few years, only odd ones here and there, as I have sort of lost interest in fords lately, although Ive written for them a few times more recently than that.
TBh I havent really read fast ford a lot the last few years, only odd ones here and there, as I have sort of lost interest in fords lately, although Ive written for them a few times more recently than that.
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Its just a rebadged specialist components ecu (the "typhoon" IIRC), its not done from scratch by RS tuning or TDF themselves or anything like that, im sure neither of them have production facilities for that sort of thing.
Maybe James should get Fred to build him an engine and get me to map it for him seeing as he seemed so impressed by the power delivery of porkies and my mrs that I have mapped compared to his, lol
Its just a rebadged specialist components ecu (the "typhoon" IIRC), its not done from scratch by RS tuning or TDF themselves or anything like that, im sure neither of them have production facilities for that sort of thing.
Maybe James should get Fred to build him an engine and get me to map it for him seeing as he seemed so impressed by the power delivery of porkies and my mrs that I have mapped compared to his, lol
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
seen this on FB, shame but probably a positive, as fred said, good time to future-proof it
seen this on FB, shame but probably a positive, as fred said, good time to future-proof it
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So on that basis I assume the 'software' required to edit the tables inside the controller is openly avaliable?
So on that basis I assume the 'software' required to edit the tables inside the controller is openly avaliable?
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
He'll need a new donor engine, no drama, as I said to him at spa in the long run it will have cost him less than a couple of punctures on some new tyres would have.
He'll need a new donor engine, no drama, as I said to him at spa in the long run it will have cost him less than a couple of punctures on some new tyres would have.
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Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Why is it a silly statement exactly? Or are you just over deciphering everything as usual lol. I'm not saying it can't be calibrated, but Superflow read HIGHER than DD dynos do they not?
Why is it a silly statement exactly? Or are you just over deciphering everything as usual lol. I'm not saying it can't be calibrated, but Superflow read HIGHER than DD dynos do they not?
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No they do not, you cant make a blanket statement like that and expect it to hold true.
Its not a case of me over analysing anything, its just a case of I understand how both work and you dont, so you are repeating some nonsense and im telling you from firsthand knowledge.
It will depend on the calibration and operation of the individual dyno.
Plus of course a DD will ONLY read a figure at the wheels (and then if you like it will add a fix percentage on to mimic a vaguely representative transmission loss), and the superflow will read ONLY at the flywheel, so they arent directly comparable in any meaningful way at all.
No they do not, you cant make a blanket statement like that and expect it to hold true.
Its not a case of me over analysing anything, its just a case of I understand how both work and you dont, so you are repeating some nonsense and im telling you from firsthand knowledge.
It will depend on the calibration and operation of the individual dyno.
Plus of course a DD will ONLY read a figure at the wheels (and then if you like it will add a fix percentage on to mimic a vaguely representative transmission loss), and the superflow will read ONLY at the flywheel, so they arent directly comparable in any meaningful way at all.
Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
So it does read higher, it's just not directly comparable. Thanks, that's better. I shouldn't of said over read, especially with you around. lol.
I'm not disputing anything you say, you just go clinically technical at every opening like some fleshy autodata lol. If you look at K-Tec and TDF's outputs they're very similar, just saying'.
So it does read higher, it's just not directly comparable. Thanks, that's better. I shouldn't of said over read, especially with you around. lol.
I'm not disputing anything you say, you just go clinically technical at every opening like some fleshy autodata lol. If you look at K-Tec and TDF's outputs they're very similar, just saying'.
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Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
I've never used them no - I used another company that don't get involved with forum b****cks. But there were a few ex-TDF cars there getting proper maps done on them and the increases were enough to make me use them over TDF
It's just my personal opinion - I think 215bhp on standard old injectors is a bit unrealistic though.
It's just another typical ClioSport thing - some people think the sun shines out their ass and others have had really bad experiences with them, just like K-Tec and others. Those that think the sun shines out their ass will never change their opinion unless they have a bad experience and go somewhere else.
I've never used them no - I used another company that don't get involved with forum b****cks. But there were a few ex-TDF cars there getting proper maps done on them and the increases were enough to make me use them over TDF
It's just my personal opinion - I think 215bhp on standard old injectors is a bit unrealistic though.
It's just another typical ClioSport thing - some people think the sun shines out their ass and others have had really bad experiences with them, just like K-Tec and others. Those that think the sun shines out their ass will never change their opinion unless they have a bad experience and go somewhere else.
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Ive just realised I saw the term superflow and instantly thought of their engine dynos, but I guess its probably a superflow rolling road instead at TDF?
If so, then the results should be very very comparable to a DD setup if you take the WHEELS readings for both, not the flywheel guesstimates as NEITHER of them can read a flywheel figure.
Apologies for any confusion where I was talking about superflow engine dynos. My bad.
But the point you are trying to make that one make reads higher or lower than the other, is still wrong, its down to the calibration and operation of the individual setups, Ive seen two sets of DD rollers read massively different just because they have not been operated the same etc.
And if the operator WANTS it to read high or low, it will, its entirely in their control and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bit naive TBH
Ive just realised I saw the term superflow and instantly thought of their engine dynos, but I guess its probably a superflow rolling road instead at TDF?
If so, then the results should be very very comparable to a DD setup if you take the WHEELS readings for both, not the flywheel guesstimates as NEITHER of them can read a flywheel figure.
Apologies for any confusion where I was talking about superflow engine dynos. My bad.
But the point you are trying to make that one make reads higher or lower than the other, is still wrong, its down to the calibration and operation of the individual setups, Ive seen two sets of DD rollers read massively different just because they have not been operated the same etc.
And if the operator WANTS it to read high or low, it will, its entirely in their control and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bit naive TBH
Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Oh sod engine dynos, I meant the rollers yeah sorry. They just generally seem to have higher outputs (superflow) from what I've seen is all. I would wager that when calibrated it's a lot easier to get a higher reading from one anyway given the results from places. But whatever, it's not really that important anyway in this case now. I think the TDF cracks should stop for both parties sake from here on in as it's destructive. There's no doubt it wasn't 215bhp - but it's dead now, so end game lol.
Oh sod engine dynos, I meant the rollers yeah sorry. They just generally seem to have higher outputs (superflow) from what I've seen is all. I would wager that when calibrated it's a lot easier to get a higher reading from one anyway given the results from places. But whatever, it's not really that important anyway in this case now. I think the TDF cracks should stop for both parties sake from here on in as it's destructive. There's no doubt it wasn't 215bhp - but it's dead now, so end game lol.
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Properly dead from what I've heard - bits of engine coming out the exhaust
Properly dead from what I've heard - bits of engine coming out the exhaust
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The 215 I dont find so hard to believe it was at least vaguely near to, it went well at the top end of the rev range, and wasnt much different to the burspeed car with similar numbers on flat out stuff IIRC, just it had rubbish torque.
The 215 I dont find so hard to believe it was at least vaguely near to, it went well at the top end of the rev range, and wasnt much different to the burspeed car with similar numbers on flat out stuff IIRC, just it had rubbish torque.
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Not sure about that, unless he has somehow run it against since spa, the big problem was I could see into the inside of the block through the hole the rod made, lol
Properly dead from what I've heard - bits of engine coming out the exhaust
Not sure about that, unless he has somehow run it against since spa, the big problem was I could see into the inside of the block through the hole the rod made, lol
Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
It's funny though, as mine made 178ftlbs which from the application of 428s and throttle bodies is definitely HIGH but it does pull very well. So I'm happy, just maybe not 178ftlbs happy. It is just a number at the end of the day
It's funny though, as mine made 178ftlbs which from the application of 428s and throttle bodies is definitely HIGH but it does pull very well. So I'm happy, just maybe not 178ftlbs happy. It is just a number at the end of the day
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Does your have a dephasor still, or is it somehow relevant to a fixed pulley inlet setup like james had?
Does your have a dephasor still, or is it somehow relevant to a fixed pulley inlet setup like james had?
Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
totally standard belt gubbins on cup setup, nowt fancy. Very easy through the gears so it's quite nice to drive 'normally'
totally standard belt gubbins on cup setup, nowt fancy. Very easy through the gears so it's quite nice to drive 'normally'
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Taking that advance off ash's without putting enough mechanical advance back in is what I suspect has ruined his midrange, not an issue on yours.
I think Matt was trying to get clever with the cam and probably didnt quite get it right TBH
Taking that advance off ash's without putting enough mechanical advance back in is what I suspect has ruined his midrange, not an issue on yours.
I think Matt was trying to get clever with the cam and probably didnt quite get it right TBH
Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
Ah well. Take two
Ah well. Take two
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
That's why the numbers are so utterly pointless - mines 195 and I had no problem keeping up with him around Anglesey
That's why the numbers are so utterly pointless - mines 195 and I had no problem keeping up with him around Anglesey
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LMFAO I just read the bit where he said it went bang and he could bits of metal rattling through the exhaust.
Ahhhh well we've all had an engine go - it's part of life lol - at least he's done it properly!
LMFAO I just read the bit where he said it went bang and he could bits of metal rattling through the exhaust.
Ahhhh well we've all had an engine go - it's part of life lol - at least he's done it properly!
Evo 5 RS
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That's because yours is factory fit with bolt on bits.
I've decided F4R's are like tumours, soon as you open them up or replace anything they wither and die LOL
That's because yours is factory fit with bolt on bits.
I've decided F4R's are like tumours, soon as you open them up or replace anything they wither and die LOL
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Peak figure is for such a short period of time that performance on track isnt always an indication, his may or may not have made that number, but the torque was toss.
That's why the numbers are so utterly pointless - mines 195 and I had no problem keeping up with him around Anglesey
Peak figure is for such a short period of time that performance on track isnt always an indication, his may or may not have made that number, but the torque was toss.
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Good point
Silent - agreed, mine's done 118k now. 2 or 3 oil changes a year and it still drives better than nearly all the other clio's i've driven. Even the gearbox is on 118k and fine lol. It's why I don't want to get into cams and changed internals - I'd rather just have a standard engine that I can swap out for a few hundred quid when it does eventually go pop
Good point
Silent - agreed, mine's done 118k now. 2 or 3 oil changes a year and it still drives better than nearly all the other clio's i've driven. Even the gearbox is on 118k and fine lol. It's why I don't want to get into cams and changed internals - I'd rather just have a standard engine that I can swap out for a few hundred quid when it does eventually go pop
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My mrs engine was rebuilt 4K miles ago by us, with 197 cams not standards, and a few other minor upgrades, and other than the PAS developing a leak from the O-ring when it got properly hammered at spa, its been epic so far, so I dont agree there is some magical fairy dust only renault can apply when building them for them to work well.
I would use porkies as an example too, but actually despite the fact its running faultlessly and driving lovely so far and was just generally epic at the ring and spa for the last week, it has used a bit of oil which I am concerned about, so maybe im contradicting myself there, lol
My mrs engine was rebuilt 4K miles ago by us, with 197 cams not standards, and a few other minor upgrades, and other than the PAS developing a leak from the O-ring when it got properly hammered at spa, its been epic so far, so I dont agree there is some magical fairy dust only renault can apply when building them for them to work well.
I would use porkies as an example too, but actually despite the fact its running faultlessly and driving lovely so far and was just generally epic at the ring and spa for the last week, it has used a bit of oil which I am concerned about, so maybe im contradicting myself there, lol
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4k is hardly 118k though
4k is hardly 118k though
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Well its on 145K total now, but 4K since the rebuild, including about 600 track miles (that would be a LOT of races, lol).
4k is hardly 118k though
Well its on 145K total now, but 4K since the rebuild, including about 600 track miles (that would be a LOT of races, lol).
Evo 5 RS
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
lol I know I'm just being knobby as usual, but it's like everything if you take it apart is it ever the same. It's a shame Renault want 3,000 just for the block last time I checked. Should be buy one get one free.
lol I know I'm just being knobby as usual, but it's like everything if you take it apart is it ever the same. It's a shame Renault want 3,000 just for the block last time I checked. Should be buy one get one free.
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
What do you think renault do that we cant though? Serious question.
I think most people rebuilding engines just cut too many corners, as lets face it, its actually expensive to do right.
What do you think renault do that we cant though? Serious question.
I think most people rebuilding engines just cut too many corners, as lets face it, its actually expensive to do right.
Re: James/BigAsh 182 Race Car by TDF... It doesn't get much better than this! *Pic He
they're genuinely not. SF torque calculations are a little higher than a DD due to the algorthyms they use for calculations, and that's pretty much across the board, but you're talking 2-5lb/ft on a 172/182. KTR rollers read the same as SRR in my experience, within 2bhp either way, where TDF reads consitently 5% higher, mainly due to not applying losses in the way the dyno and software were designed and intended to be used by Superflow
they're genuinely not. SF torque calculations are a little higher than a DD due to the algorthyms they use for calculations, and that's pretty much across the board, but you're talking 2-5lb/ft on a 172/182. KTR rollers read the same as SRR in my experience, within 2bhp either way, where TDF reads consitently 5% higher, mainly due to not applying losses in the way the dyno and software were designed and intended to be used by Superflow
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