Clio 182 with 225 engine/box/ecu

[JamesBryan]

What was that black car that past you at Shell on your out lap?

Came screaming past!

 

[windle]

which vid? I remember a very fast M3 and Caterham style car both black and both very quick!

 

[JamesBryan]

This one, looking at it again it does look like an M3

 

[windle]

ahh yes e46 m3 with some serious aero on there, it went very well that thing!

 

[windle]

ok update time! cars been off the road since the last trackday in Feb. for no other reason than to upgrade. the car was perfect on the last outing and I have taken it all apart again!

Main thing were the group buy on roll correction hubs, which have been done and fitted and then the geo redone at Blink including straitening me wonky rear beam so car should be better than its ever been at the min!

Upgrade, well a full Megane 250 came up for sale. It was a risky one as I spoke to the lad who crashed the car and he said the engine/box were dead so walk away. ended up looking at the pics and taking the risk and buying the full car. turns out engine/box both survived it had just pulled the driveshaft out spilling gear oil everywhere, Result! I broke the car and sold everything I didn't need including the LSD box as I would retain my gripper diff 225 box. the original plan was to run the engine on my loom/ecu and loose the VVT like most people do. however paul at rs tuning who was at the time building his mk4 clio with 250 engine/ecu/VVT setup said, if mine works we can try on yours. turns out this is possible but not straight forward. Ultimately paul and specky have done it. the car is now a mixture of many things from a megane 225 and a 250 but mainly the ecu is 250 loom 250 boost pipe setup and intercooler (forged item that came off the crashed megane) car was mapped last week at RS Ttuning and made a healthy 312 BHP whilst leaving the torque at 330 to see if it can actually use the power on track first.





That's pretty much where I am up to, car goes to oulton park on Tuesday the 19th for testing as its driven off the trailer to the ramp so far so a bit unknown.

not sure if photobucket is playing these days but pics/vids if it is! (that's a no) most updates go on our page on facebook https://www.facebook.com/OldhamRingers/
photobucket have runined it here!

 

[JamesBryan]

This will be fast as f**k!

 

[windle]

Did oulton park last tuesday with OpenTrack and for its first outing it actually did very well and ran all day till the end. Only little issue was again the fuel pump wont seal and when it has a full tank leaks fuel around the corners. Going to try and tighten it down with the proper tool and possibly seal it shut as its happened before. Apart from that the car run faultless all day. bit of under steer all day which i think was from the rear tyres. only had 20PSI and didnt have a pump, but was only to test the engine so just ran it like that for the day. Car pulls and pulls in any gear now RS tuning have done a spot on job of mapping this one! Few pics/vids from the day. Hope to get out again in 2 weeks time another oulton with open track, may even pop the slicks on if its going ok!

Also bought a new dash for the car as the combination of ECU's has left me with not much of a working dash. have gone for an AIM MXS Strada which will do allot of functions for me, going to start wiring this tonight so it will hopefully do something for the next track day.

Vids: Although camera angle is still wrong but you get the idea!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY10TS5jv-k&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8rtmcIz5bA&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4GL7SwrcoM&t

 

[JamesBryan]

Looks mega that Craig!

What is that hanging down under the car on the front shot?

 

[windle]

it was actually duct tape lol! there is a hole in the splitter where the oil cooler was when BYC designed the splitter so he just cut a hole at the time. we have moved the cooler now and tapped up the hole, but didn't work lol. joiner mate is going to cut me a new one long term as I have cracked this one a but getting it on the trailer!

Also need to sort the wonky exhaust since the new engine it just wont sit right

 

[AdamCup]

Proper weapon !! Looks like a lot of fun to drive !

 

[Fabio007]

What a beast 😅 damn excited to see someone has done it before. So you say you kept the 225 box with gripper, would the 250 engine and box fit? Reason why I'm asking is because I'm from South Africa.....just landed a 250 cup engine/box/loom and Ecu, :grimacing:We don't have much info here and before I even attempt to try I would like to just find out if it would fit the Clio 182? :blush:

 

[windle]

yes 250 engine with a 225 box and gripper diff fitted. the engine isn't a direct fit you need to notch the chassis leg and run custom shafts exhaust etc so possible but much easier to fit it to a 107 clio.

mine now runs a mix of 225 wiring loom with 250 ecu and some magic to make it all work by rs tuning. you would probably have to fit the full 250 ecu/loom and should be possible but again not straight forward!

good luck

 

[bozothenutter]

does this mean that with a RT lower block , one could have six gears in a 182?

are usable ratios available?

 

[windle]

the 6 speed box ratios are actually good yes. on my new engine now get into 6th gear down the longer straights at oulton

 

[windle]

not updated in a while so here we go

Since fitting the Aim MXS Strada Dash (this is epic by the way) its allowing me to monitor temps much more closely and trigger alarms when things get too high. My main one was water temp. when i did oulton it became apparent it was creeping up high way to fast. was seeing 105+ very easily and saw 110 so called it a day and had to short shift/short sessions to try and get some track time. when researching the 250 megane intercooler kits come with turbo water cooler as they struggle with temps so my clio radiator wouldn't stand a chance it seems. i bought a new cup ally rad and tried some redline water wetter. Took the car to donington and it was better but still no joy, when under boost the temps just cant cope.

The megane turbo cooler wont fit my car and i am running out of room at the front so after a bit of digging went for an escort cosworth turbo cooler as this seemed to fit the best. Its plumbed directly off the water outlet from the turbo in hope to cool the water at its hottest point. Rad was fitted piped in few more air holes and oulton was booked for a trial. Same old didnt seem to take much in the way of pics for some reason! but pic of cooler and can just make out the brackets on the splitter

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20180107_160553766_iOS by craig windle, on Flickr

Temps were much better, it was a cold day by all means, but i never saw more then 101, it was mainly 99/100 all day so hopefully even in summer this will be fine. plan to add oil temp/oil pressure to the aim dash as the next project. Few pics from oulton in Feb this year. Pics taken by @matt123roll from this site (cheers fella)

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also met @@Josh gave me some great advice and a nice chap. i currently have R888 front and R888R on the rear and the car just doesnt want to turn in any more, so either going to swap them around or fit some dunlops up front. my wheels are different offset front and rear so cant just swap the wheels around.

Have booked cadwell for the 17th of April, looks to be allot of clios on already, havent done cadwell since the turbo engine

have also done some work in our unit and built a new mez floor to tidy things up a bit!

20180220_215526523_iOS by craig windle, on Flickr

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Also bought a new toy! well daily runner, so the white megane above will be up for sale shortly

20171128_144314324_iOS by craig windle, on Flickr

Vids will follow once they have finished uploading

 

[JamesBryan]

Amazing daily driver!

 

[windle]

its very practical!
found a bit of a pic of the dash, it is in the middle just a bad angle! only the fuel gauge works on the 225 clocks now rest is done by the aim

20171010_141643737_iOS by craig windle, on Flickr

 

[JamesBryan]

Looks mega.

Can you send the fuel gauge to the AIM as well?

 

[windle]

cant see why not, was hoping to pick it up from the canbus but doesn't seem to so failing that would go down as an analogue sensor and need calibrating. ill have a look when doing the oil stuff as need to buy an expansion for those anyway

 

[JamesBryan]

@f0xy is a whizz with electronic dashes and sensors, he might know.

 

[windle]

Oulton Park 10/10/2017


Donington 03/12/2017


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFOirNrxIgU

Oulton Park 09/02/2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqlAmBPcWxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxeNGsFbsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-spoaMQ1N4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LCaCYBLDcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c46iXqIn48Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV61arDQB1o

 

[AdamCup]

Love you car... proper epic track weapon ! Kinda thing i'm aiming for with mine.... eventually !
And you've also gone and got my dream daily car !! b*****d ! :tongueclosed:
Subscribed !:up:

 

[f0xy]

cant see why not, was hoping to pick it up from the canbus but doesn't seem to so failing that would go down as an analogue sensor and need calibrating. ill have a look when doing the oil stuff as need to buy an expansion for those anyway

@f0xy is a whizz with electronic dashes and sensors, he might know.

From what I remember, the fuel level was straight to the clocks rather than via CAN. Its just a simple variable resistor, which is linear. First find which wire it is (test resistance with multi meter and move the float up and down).

Wire it up in a simple voltage divider circuit, with a 1k pull up resistor. Make sure you use a fixed voltage for the pull up (not 12v which changes to 14.x when running, otherwise your reading will be skewed). You can pick up a basic 5vdc voltage regulator for a few pence. From this, you'll then have a variable voltage you can feed into the analogue input on the dash. Drain the tank (or pump it empty with the fuel pump) and get the reading... it may be say 0.5v. Then fill the tank, and get the reading again, say 2.5v. You then have your range and the dash should be able to show this in whatever format you want (i.e. 0-100%).

 

[windle]

interesting, ill show this to my wire man he will understand all that as its a bit beyond me I think! but thanks for the info appreciated, not sure if I can unplug the 225 dash as yet as the car likes to see lots of things before it will even attempt to start

 

[windle]

small update, did cadwell park on the 17/04/2018 but only managed to get one video all day, it was set to take a picture not record doh! best lap was at the end of the day with a passenger at 1.45 im happy with that with the brake issue

first time at cadwell with it boosted love the track but as you can see in the vid just not comfortable there as yet. the 2nd session i did threw a brake issue up, pedal went hard no servo assist quite scary! re applied and were ok again. it appeared the one way valve had failed so was pressuring the servo so had to be very catious on my braking zones. sometimes i had servo sometimes i did not so made it interesting to say the least. swapping the r888 with the r888r has worked wonders, car feels much more happier with those up front

have since got the car back and as suspected the one way valve is now not a one way valve, new valve fitted and new hard pipe all the way that shouldnt happen again. water temps were behaving again but the water pipe i bought was just crap so have since fitted some better stuff and shall test on the next outing.

the black clio infront at the start of the vid that nearly goes awol is my brothers also megane turbo running gt28 and adaptronic. he had some handling issues on the day as you can see!


next outing is oulton 31st of may with msv

 

[JamesBryan]

Video unavailable mate.

 

[windle]

oops think it was set to private, should be ok now?

 

[JamesBryan]

Yeah ?

 

[Daz.]

Someone needs to build me a meg'd Clio!

 

[leedsboy]

small update, did cadwell park on the 17/04/2018 but only managed to get one video all day, it was set to take a picture not record doh! best lap was at the end of the day with a passenger at 1.45 im happy with that with the brake issue

first time at cadwell with it boosted love the track but as you can see in the vid just not comfortable there as yet. the 2nd session i did threw a brake issue up, pedal went hard no servo assist quite scary! re applied and were ok again. it appeared the one way valve had failed so was pressuring the servo so had to be very catious on my braking zones. sometimes i had servo sometimes i did not so made it interesting to say the least. swapping the r888 with the r888r has worked wonders, car feels much more happier with those up front

have since got the car back and as suspected the one way valve is now not a one way valve, new valve fitted and new hard pipe all the way that shouldnt happen again. water temps were behaving again but the water pipe i bought was just crap so have since fitted some better stuff and shall test on the next outing.

the black clio infront at the start of the vid that nearly goes awol is my brothers also megane turbo running gt28 and adaptronic. he had some handling issues on the day as you can see!


next outing is oulton 31st of may with msv

@dann2707 Take note for the 29th

 

[windle]

Having redone the coolant pipes for the extra radiator or redone the brake servo pipes (failed one way valve) we set out to oulton on the 31st of May with MSV

Looked a busy day and full of race teams testing but actually wasn't that bad and didn't have to queue up once. one of the old megane coolant pipes split that goes to the thermostat luckily had enough on it to cut it and re attach. Apart from that she was good to go all day, even put the slicks on in the afternoon at got lap times down to the 1.58 mark chasing a porsche GT3 RS around!

Camera angle is still wrong but maybe moving the rear view mirror to a cage mounted one will work? Dash flashing red was the Air temp sensor, cant remember what i set it too now but needs upping as it got annoying! Water temps were good though apart from the split hose it never got over 100 degrees all day and was a hot day. Its a forged intercooler so temps should be within limit think i was just testing the aim dash out for warning lights.

Few Vidoes from the day, first vid is the GT3 RS vid about half way through






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRspw2qaWG8&t

Car just needs a good check over probably flush the fluids and hope to do angelsey early july i think.

Really enjoying the car at the min. Have some new suspension due shortly as the Gaz GHA and upped spring rates cant cope very well these days.

Also due to be re wrapped, was going to go back to matt black as its looking tired now but think its having something a bit risky! watch this space

 

[dumdum]

Just an aside we used to run one of Colin McCraes old reccy cars in group N and pro-drive basically binned the watercooling from the turbo as it would cook the engines so it just ran oil cooling and an oil cooler to help cool the turbo

 

[windle]

Just an aside we used to run one of Colin McCraes old reccy cars in group N and pro-drive basically binned the watercooling from the turbo as it would cook the engines so it just ran oil cooling and an oil cooler to help cool the turbo

used to do this in the old days of my rs turbo lol but wasn't sure on the effects in Renault world. will have a look at how to re route, all pipes have t pieces and all sorts around that area! cheers Dumdum

 

[windle]

managed to get the car off the trailer for a check over, slicks all look good so they can go again. Coolant was low but hoping this was due to being warm when filled at track so will keep an eye on that. have taken the plunge and the wrap is half gone so no going back now.

looks so different back in silver! new wrap is trying to be located now and hopefully done before angelsey next month. Lap time from last week

 

[windle]

decided i have had enough of the bonnet having to keep removing it so going back down the standard route. changed mind at the last minute and went for a fibreglass one but hinged from https://ccf-fibreglass.co.uk/ then kinda ended up going the full hog before the wrap so bonnet, doors and bootlid are on the way. had to get a new bumper as mine had been chopped to death. its being wrapped monday/tuesday next week hopefully doors and bootlid will fit easily enough, so i think its all ready for the wrap.

Added oil pressure/temp senders to the AIM dash (love this!) so now can keep an eye on all the engine and what its up too. was showing 1.6bar pressure at warm idle. has had new oil and filter whilst i was at it and a good check over

Bit of a rush now to get the car wrapped and everything bolted back on for anglesey on the 16th. New Wrap will be a bit of a change from matt black!

 

[bozothenutter]

what is that splitter, how is it attached......oh and I WANT ONE!!!!

awesome project mate!

 

[windle]

BYC splitter mate bolts to the chassis with his own brackets, nice piece of work think he sells them off the shelf now but not sure how far behind he is after a trip the the USA

http://bycdesigns.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=67_17_64&product_id=104

it was my car he used to mock it all up

 

[bozothenutter]

BYC splitter mate bolts to the chassis with his own brackets, nice piece of work think he sells them off the shelf now but not sure how far behind he is after a trip the the USA

http://bycdesigns.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=67_17_64&product_id=104

it was my car he used to mock it all up

tnx!

where is the splitter?

 

[windle]

splitter is just ply just chop your own up

 

[windle]

fibre glass panels all fitted, just need to cut the aero catches in tonight then the wrappers are coming Tuesday/Wednesday. then the putting it all back together begins!