Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Ill grab some pics first/remove them just encase I brake them or something lol
Ill grab some pics first/remove them just encase I brake them or something lol
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Cub's Flamer - Supercharged, Cage etc
Inferno 225 cup
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Looking good cubster, can't wait to see this when I come down.
Looking good cubster, can't wait to see this when I come down.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
The Russian. Glad you got your gripper, just need to get it fitted. Yep a good turnout at mine expected with the transformation from broken car to running car the main event of the day lol!
The Russian. Glad you got your gripper, just need to get it fitted. Yep a good turnout at mine expected with the transformation from broken car to running car the main event of the day lol!
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
More stuff arrived today, and I sorted my insurance through Greenlight at a great price. So a good day
ITG Induction / Filter cleaning kit from Merlin Motorsport;
FuchsTitan Race Pro S Oil, gearbox oil for the Gripper and LSD additive all from @oilman at Opie Oils
And a modified alloy accelerator pedal created by @NorthloopCup , to assist with Heel / Toe'ing. I believe he is putting these into fabrication so PM him if you want one @The Russian. @MicKPM @Nick172Cup Fletcher. @Tim.
More stuff arrived today, and I sorted my insurance through Greenlight at a great price. So a good day
ITG Induction / Filter cleaning kit from Merlin Motorsport;
FuchsTitan Race Pro S Oil, gearbox oil for the Gripper and LSD additive all from @oilman at Opie Oils
And a modified alloy accelerator pedal created by @NorthloopCup , to assist with Heel / Toe'ing. I believe he is putting these into fabrication so PM him if you want one
@The Russian. @MicKPM @Nick172Cup Fletcher. @Tim.
Inferno 225 cup
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
The pedal looks good, northloop is a really great bloke.
it's all coming together now mate
Is that LSD oil necessary? If so il order some.
The pedal looks good, northloop is a really great bloke.
it's all coming together now mate
Is that LSD oil necessary? If so il order some.
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Ill see you then.
Looking good cubster, can't wait to see this when I come down.
Ill see you then.
Tim.
ClioSport Club Member
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
I like that pedal, I'll definitely be in touch with Mr NorthloopCup
I like that pedal, I'll definitely be in touch with Mr NorthloopCup
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Your feet aren't big enough to do it without the extension ?
Looks good though. Coming together nicely, will we see you at SRR in the Micra love waggon ?
Your feet aren't big enough to do it without the extension ?
Looks good though. Coming together nicely, will we see you at SRR in the Micra love waggon ?
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Yep, running out of space to store parts - lol! Secured a PMS Stud kit today aswell! Speaking to Tim at Opie he recommends it mate, and from doing some reading around it seems to help bedding it in. It wasn't pricey, £15, so I thought i'd give it a whirl.
Mark is a top bloke, knows his stuff and is looking to bring some stuff out that is good for plenty of us CS folk. It's a shame he is a mincer @NorthloopCup
Lol! Size 12, but every little helps as my technique isn't really very good at the moment
I'm in the Lakes this weekend matey, so no SRR for me sadly. Have fun, you running the PB??
The pedal looks good, northloop is a really great bloke.
it's all coming together now mate
Is that LSD oil necessary? If so il order some.
Yep, running out of space to store parts - lol! Secured a PMS Stud kit today aswell! Speaking to Tim at Opie he recommends it mate, and from doing some reading around it seems to help bedding it in. It wasn't pricey, £15, so I thought i'd give it a whirl.
Mark is a top bloke, knows his stuff and is looking to bring some stuff out that is good for plenty of us CS folk. It's a shame he is a mincer @NorthloopCup
Lol! Size 12, but every little helps as my technique isn't really very good at the moment
I'm in the Lakes this weekend matey, so no SRR for me sadly. Have fun, you running the PB??
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Bad news on the side repeaters, they were bonded onto the car.
They are now ruined
Bad news on the side repeaters, they were bonded onto the car.
They are now ruined
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Yea its going on the rollers. See what a standard 182 can do. I predict 174-6
Yea its going on the rollers. See what a standard 182 can do. I predict 174-6
Inferno 225 cup
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Il get some ordered, thanks for the heads up mate.
Il get some ordered, thanks for the heads up mate.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Need to be careful with it bud, as too much will defeat the point of the gripper;
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-6320-re...tial-friction-modifier-break-in-additive.aspx
Need to be careful with it bud, as too much will defeat the point of the gripper;
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-6320-re...tial-friction-modifier-break-in-additive.aspx
Inferno 225 cup
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Yep! Don't worry, I'll go first!
Oh god
Yep! Don't worry, I'll go first!
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Right. So without me spaming your thread to much Cub, whats the pros and cons between the Gripper and the Quaife?
How much looking after/maintence does the Gripper need?
Why a Gripper over the Quaife?
I feel left out.
Right. So without me spaming your thread to much Cub, whats the pros and cons between the Gripper and the Quaife?
How much looking after/maintence does the Gripper need?
Why a Gripper over the Quaife?
I feel left out.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Phase1sr No worries bud, not spam at all! Both diffs will make a noticeable difference both on road and more so on track. They let you put power down much quicker out of bends and prevent the wheels losing grip when putting that power down. IMO they are a must if you intend on running bigger power, to else you have more power but can't put it down. Even on standard power the diff will improve grip / putting power down. Both are similarly priced, although @NorthloopCup can source both cheaper I believe.
Gripper is a plated diff, so if one wheel loses drive it will still put power through the other wheel. Con of this is it needs maintenance, which is box out. The maintenance is only £85 but obviously it's the getting it in / out that makes people go for the Quaiffe. Quaiffe is a helical diff so performs slightly differently (and some may say not as well although if you're not racing / rallying it's probably negligible difference). Quaiffe is fit and forget.
Gripper maintenance will be determined by how 'hard' it is used / how it is setup. You can have it set to suit hard racing or road with occasional trackdays I believe. If you're handy with the spanners and don't mind getting the box out I'd go with the Gripper. If not, the Quaiffe. Both are well worth it. Best mod on mine, including the cage / suspension etc. Iirc James gained 1.5 secs a lap when racing with a diff vs no diff. I may be wrong on those stats...
@Chip-mk1 and @NorthloopCup can give much better pros / cons and technical knowledge.
Phase1sr No worries bud, not spam at all! Both diffs will make a noticeable difference both on road and more so on track. They let you put power down much quicker out of bends and prevent the wheels losing grip when putting that power down. IMO they are a must if you intend on running bigger power, to else you have more power but can't put it down. Even on standard power the diff will improve grip / putting power down. Both are similarly priced, although @NorthloopCup can source both cheaper I believe.
Gripper is a plated diff, so if one wheel loses drive it will still put power through the other wheel. Con of this is it needs maintenance, which is box out. The maintenance is only £85 but obviously it's the getting it in / out that makes people go for the Quaiffe. Quaiffe is a helical diff so performs slightly differently (and some may say not as well although if you're not racing / rallying it's probably negligible difference). Quaiffe is fit and forget.
Gripper maintenance will be determined by how 'hard' it is used / how it is setup. You can have it set to suit hard racing or road with occasional trackdays I believe. If you're handy with the spanners and don't mind getting the box out I'd go with the Gripper. If not, the Quaiffe. Both are well worth it. Best mod on mine, including the cage / suspension etc. Iirc James gained 1.5 secs a lap when racing with a diff vs no diff. I may be wrong on those stats...
@Chip-mk1 and @NorthloopCup can give much better pros / cons and technical knowledge.
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NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
For all out performance the gripper is the way forward, but if you want a fit and forget option go for the Quaife. That's as simple as it gets really. Gripper maintenance ain't to bad either if it's not getting hammered in a racing environment and I'd imagine that in a road car you'd see 12k before any maintenance is needed.
For all out performance the gripper is the way forward, but if you want a fit and forget option go for the Quaife. That's as simple as it gets really. Gripper maintenance ain't to bad either if it's not getting hammered in a racing environment and I'd imagine that in a road car you'd see 12k before any maintenance is needed.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Funny that, mine did just over 12k before I sent it off to them. Hoping it will need doing well in advance next time due to harder use
Funny that, mine did just over 12k before I sent it off to them. Hoping it will need doing well in advance next time due to harder use
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
It comes down to what the preload is set to really mate as well. That's the bit that makes the diff aggressive or placid.Funny that, mine did just over 12k before I sent it off to them. Hoping it will need doing well in advance next time due to harder use
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Lol, sounds like a Gripper to me.
My car does about 3k a year and is only used for fun and maybe the odd day out to the beach with the kids.
Cub, looking forward to seeing you on the 22nd matey.
Ill pm for your address.
Lol, sounds like a Gripper to me.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Update
Pic Heavy this one I am afraid.
A very productive day with Dan@SJM. We compression tested the engine, fitted and timed up a new cambelt with dephaser, ran in the Cup brake setup so I could do away with ABS and chatted about superchargers. Top bloke Dan, his help was much appreciated and it was good to catch up.
Considering the engine was sat in a unit for 18 months, since it came out of Luke's Trophy, I was over the moon that it seems in tip top nick and very healthy. Certainly healthier than the one its replacing Compression Test results were;
Cylinder 4 - 180
Cylinder 3 - 175
Cylinder 2 - 175
Cylinder 1 - 190
Dan commented he expects them to level out slightly when the engine runs for a bit, given its sat there for so long.
Pictures;
First, up took the rocker cover off the new engine to inspect the cams. Happy to report they were very clean and unmarked. The head was cleaned up a bit and the rocker cover sealed back on.
Genuine Renault cambelt and shiny new dephaser was put on, with Megane 225 Crank Pin as Adam was out of 1*2 ones, then the timing done.
Note how dirty the rocker cover / engine is, as its due a serious tidy up / paint this week
Everybody loves an accurately timed up F4R
Got the crane out and took it off the stand, then put the flywheel, gearbox and starter motor back on to let us compression test it. Before anyone asks, yes the bolts in the box aren't the correct ones as we just needed to fix it on for the test, it came back off again
Filled it up with some oil, then did the test. My phone died here, so no photos of the compression test I am afraid.
Dan then moved onto the removal of the ABS setup. I was chuffed to see this go as it has been playing up ever since the second Burpspeed Llandow day Jay Payne
Good bye ABS pump / Ecu and old brake lines;
Good bye annoying Loom;
Hello new lines;
Hello CLiP
Whilst Dan was working away, these turned up
And some Nimbus Heatshield arrived;
Getting very excited now, as I've been without the car over 6 months. Can't wait to drive it again. Thanks again to Dan for his help and expertise
Update
Pic Heavy this one I am afraid.
A very productive day with Dan@SJM. We compression tested the engine, fitted and timed up a new cambelt with dephaser, ran in the Cup brake setup so I could do away with ABS and chatted about superchargers. Top bloke Dan, his help was much appreciated and it was good to catch up.
Considering the engine was sat in a unit for 18 months, since it came out of Luke's Trophy, I was over the moon that it seems in tip top nick and very healthy. Certainly healthier than the one its replacing
Compression Test results were;Cylinder 4 - 180
Cylinder 3 - 175
Cylinder 2 - 175
Cylinder 1 - 190
Dan commented he expects them to level out slightly when the engine runs for a bit, given its sat there for so long.
Pictures;
First, up took the rocker cover off the new engine to inspect the cams. Happy to report they were very clean and unmarked. The head was cleaned up a bit and the rocker cover sealed back on.
Genuine Renault cambelt and shiny new dephaser was put on, with Megane 225 Crank Pin as Adam was out of 1*2 ones, then the timing done.
Note how dirty the rocker cover / engine is, as its due a serious tidy up / paint this week
Everybody loves an accurately timed up F4R
Got the crane out and took it off the stand, then put the flywheel, gearbox and starter motor back on to let us compression test it. Before anyone asks, yes the bolts in the box aren't the correct ones as we just needed to fix it on for the test, it came back off again
Filled it up with some oil, then did the test. My phone died here, so no photos of the compression test I am afraid.
Dan then moved onto the removal of the ABS setup. I was chuffed to see this go as it has been playing up ever since the second Burpspeed Llandow day Jay Payne
Good bye ABS pump / Ecu and old brake lines;
Good bye annoying Loom;
Hello new lines;
Hello CLiP
Whilst Dan was working away, these turned up
And some Nimbus Heatshield arrived;
Getting very excited now, as I've been without the car over 6 months. Can't wait to drive it again. Thanks again to Dan for his help and expertise
Inferno 225 cup
'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Woahhhhh, coming on now Oli! I really can't wait to see this
Bet you're twitching to get back in it now aren't you, and show it some Tarmac
Woahhhhh, coming on now Oli! I really can't wait to see this
Bet you're twitching to get back in it now aren't you, and show it some Tarmac
182cup & 172 racecar
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White hoses!!
White hoses!!
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Yep, can't wait bud.
FPMSL @ Mush!
Get the train panda!
Woahhhhh, coming on now Oli! I really can't wait to see this
Bet you're twitching to get back in it now aren't you, and show it some Tarmac
Yep, can't wait bud.
FPMSL @ Mush!
Get the train panda!
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
Loving the updates mate, also like looking at lots of pictures. :approve:
Did you not fit the cams out of your old engine? If not then why?
Oh also where did you buy the Samco hoses from?
Cracking work Cub, looking forward to seeing this.
Loving the updates mate, also like looking at lots of pictures. :approve:
Did you not fit the cams out of your old engine? If not then why?
Oh also where did you buy the Samco hoses from?
Cracking work Cub, looking forward to seeing this.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
Re: 'Cub's Trackday Flamer - Cage etc'
@Phase1sr - didn't fit the cams as the plan is to supercharge so they won't be needed bud. Sold them to @Chip-mk1.
Hoses - bought them from Demon Tweeks bud. I like the photos as it reminds me of what I have / haven't done! Lol.
@Daniel - jog on! It will look great for 5 mins, then they'll get dirty ha ha!
@Saner - sad face you can't make it Standard timing for now!
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@Phase1sr - didn't fit the cams as the plan is to supercharge so they won't be needed bud. Sold them to @Chip-mk1.
Hoses - bought them from Demon Tweeks bud. I like the photos as it reminds me of what I have / haven't done! Lol.
@Daniel - jog on!
It will look great for 5 mins, then they'll get dirty ha ha!@Saner - sad face you can't make it
Standard timing for now!-
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Was a pleasure being there today mate
Was a pleasure being there today mate
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
