Half cage options

[Danith]

Wondering if cs could shed some light. I'm getting a half cage, but torn between safety devices or sw motorsport version. Sw easier to fit as bolts to the floor so 100% bolt in. Safety devices you weld the floor plates in and the cage bolts to that. I can get the safety devices for 70 quid less, but have to pay for fitting on then so safety devices will cost more I guess. what would you get? What's the benefit of mounting to the plates rather than to the floor? Is it so it has better support than a flimsy floor in the event of a roll?

 

[mart.z.s]

Just one to throw in depending on where you are. jP Cages. I had one built for my fiesta ST and was a rear bolt in. If you are the first mouldings for it aswell he will do it cheaper.

 

[Danith]

Just one to throw in depending on where you are. jP Cages. I had one built for my fiesta ST and was a rear bolt in. If you are the first mouldings for it aswell he will do it cheaper.

Stockport mate. Where's he?

 

[JamesBryan]

SW do Civic ones all the time. Probably the one to go for.

My brother's megane one from there was sound.

 

[Danith]

SW do Civic ones all the time. Probably the one to go for.

My brother's megane one from there was sound.

Safety devices 70 quid less tho, could do with making any savings I can for this lsd box

 

[JamesBryan]

Safety devices 70 quid less tho, could do with making any savings I can for this lsd box

Have to get someone to do the welding of the played on top of that too.

Probably work out about the same.

 

[mart.z.s]

Stockport mate. Where's he?

Ah that’s a fair trek. He in woodhall spa Lincoln. I’ve heard good things about SW

 

[Danith]

Have to get someone to do the welding of the played on top of that too.

Probably work out about the same.

Yeah wasn't sure what kind of cost the welding would be. Absolutely no idea on welding and that!

 

[Danith]

Ah that’s a fair trek. He in woodhall spa Lincoln. I’ve heard good things about SW

Ah right yeah bit of a mission. Cheers, have seen his name pop up sometimes actually

 

[mart.z.s]

Yeh couldn’t fault the quality for £400 fitted as I was first one on my fiesta.

 

[Danith]

Yeh couldn’t fault the quality for £400 fitted as I was first one on my fiesta.

Bargain! With diagonals?

 

[mart.z.s]

Bargain! With diagonals?

 

[Danith]

Quality

 

[JamesBryan]

SW half cage doing work here Dan.

 

[Danith]

SW half cage doing work here Dan.

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Ha yeah saw that this morning! It's going to tensport for fitting so whatever they prefer to fit, probs be an sw z+

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

The SW option must have some reinforcement plates of some kind? Do they go under the floor on the outside and it bolts through them?

 

[Danith]

The SW option must have some reinforcement plates of some kind? Do they go under the floor on the outside and it bolts through them?

Not seen but that's what I was thinking, must be pretty big plates To bolt direct to the floor!

Thing is with cages, you can't really review them until someone bins it! Bit like insurance, might be easy to buy and fit etc, but the real test is like the photo above.

That ep that rolled at brands last year had an sw cage too I think and it did well.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

There will 100% be something. If there was no reinforcement, the feet of the cage would just punch through the floor pan in the event of a rollover.

Personally, I would probably go for something with weld-in feet, as a piece of 3mm plate welded into the car makes for a nice secure mounting, but I can see why it doesn't appeal. Saying that, I would probably just weld the whole thing in and gusset to the B-pillars, so you get a bit of a rigidity gain from it too. Obviously it means you can't remove it, but I suppose you have to ask yourself if you ever would anyway, or just sell the car with it fitted.

 

[Danith]

There will 100% be something. If there was no reinforcement, the feet of the cage would just punch through the floor pan in the event of a rollover.

Personally, I would probably go for something with weld-in feet, as a piece of 3mm plate welded into the car makes for a nice secure mounting, but I can see why it doesn't appeal. Saying that, I would probably just weld the whole thing in and gusset to the B-pillars, so you get a bit of a rigidity gain from it too. Obviously it means you can't remove it, but I suppose you have to ask yourself if you ever would anyway, or just sell the car with it fitted.

That was another thought but safety devices sell the fitting kit so if I ever broke the car I could sell the cage on still (If I just bolted to the plates - which would stay on the car).

I need to check out the ad cage, going up on Monday to tensport and a lad there has one so will check it out. Civic floors are probably not as strong as when they left factory either, probs all rotten lolz

 

[JB21]

Can you not get a half cage that bolts into the existing seat belt mounts like the MSV one I had in the Clio? So much easier to fit/remove and easier to sell on...

 

[Danith]

Can you not get a half cage that bolts into the existing seat belt mounts like the MSV one I had in the Clio? So much easier to fit/remove and easier to sell on...

Not seen that option mate? Both the sw and safety devices attach to the floor at the base if the rear seats and the wheel arches. Identical except for the weld in feet on the sd

 

[donnylad]

Still time to jump on this https://www.cliosport.net/threads/safety-devices-r022-roll-cage.818600/

 

[Danith]

Still time to jump on this https://www.cliosport.net/threads/safety-devices-r022-roll-cage.818600/

Appreciate the heads up but that's just for clios isn't it? Mines for an ep ricebox

 

[donnylad]

ohh sorry mate, didnt really read into it, just saw you were after a cage and thought id link it hope you find what you're after

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

Can you not get a half cage that bolts into the existing seat belt mounts like the MSV one I had in the Clio? So much easier to fit/remove and easier to sell on...

Those don't appeal to me very much. Do you just end up with the bases of the main hoop being supported by a single bolt where the lower seat belt anchorage would be?

 

[JB21]

Those don't appeal to me very much. Do you just end up with the bases of the main hoop being supported by a single bolt where the lower seat belt anchorage would be?

The horizontal rear beam bolts into the side seat belt mounts by a m14x110 so nice and deep into the chassis. The front horizontal again bolts deep into the lower seat belt mounting points using an m14, also the front horizontal bolts in 3 places along the floor pan. The single piece loop then bolts to the horizontals in 4 places using 16 m12 bolts in total. Very secure and I'd much rather this than some of these half arsed weld/bolt in cages you see with poor spreader plates or no plates at all, welded/bolted to a rusted/weak floor pan.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

The horizontal rear beam bolts into the side seat belt mounts by a m14x110 so nice and deep into the chassis. The front horizontal again bolts deep into the lower seat belt mounting points using an m14, also the front horizontal bolts in 3 places along the floor pan. The single piece loop then bolts to the horizontals in 4 places using 16 m12 bolts in total. Very secure and I'd much rather this than some of these half arsed weld/bolt in cages you see with poor spreader plates or no plates at all, welded/bolted to a rusted/weak floor pan.

Any pics? Sorry @Danith, not meaning to hijack.

 

[JB21]

Any pics? Sorry @Danith, not meaning to hijack.

You can sort of see what's going on here...

KTEC do a similar one...

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2656

 

[Danith]

Any pics? Sorry @Danith, not meaning to hijack.

No probs go for it

 

[Danith]

You can sort of see what's going on here...

KTEC do a similar one...

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2656

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Decent that.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

I can see what they're getting at, but not sold on it personally. Fair bit of unnecessary weight and not convinced with how some of the fixing points will be loaded. I can certainly see the appeal, as it's a totally bolt-in solution, but I think I would sooner just weld some plates in and do it properly.

 

[Sam Linssner]

Talk to @Tom Johnson @ Fulcrum Motorsport. If I didn’t have the cage in this would of hurt

 

[JamesBryan]

Nice work.

What happened there?

 

[Danith]

Don't think I'd go fast enough

 

[bloke]

Full weld in.

 

[Sam Linssner]

Nice work.

What happened there?

Hit some sort of fluid in the braking zone of paddock at brands. Lost the back end. Did a 360 and hit the gravel side on. Went over nearly twice.

During the race chasing p10 so I was going for it ?

 

[Danith]

Full weld in.

You're hardcore tho

 

[Danith]

Hit some sort of fluid in the braking zone of paddock at brands. Lost the back end. Did a 360 and hit the gravel side on. Went over nearly twice.

During the race chasing p10 so I was going for it [emoji23]

Pretty sure that's where the civic rolled too

 

[Danith]

Talk to @Tom Johnson @ Fulcrum Motorsport. If I didn’t have the cage in this would of hurt

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Did you get distracted by the driver of the van?

 

[Sam Linssner]

Did you get distracted by the driver of the van?

I had a good look ?