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  Was a Clio 1.8 16v


Well Schmackers side air spliters came off in Austrailer & he didnt seem to lose any ground! So if it doesnt make a difference to an F1 car im sure road cars wont be suffering. Probably wrong though. :p
 


When Scumachers barge boards came of he lost substantial amounts of underbody negative lift, and he was understeering all over the shop.......he ws going slow, but fast for having 15% less aero grip.

Basically, if you can find an issue of the CCC magazine from febuary 2002 (might be 2001, but i think its 02) then look at the star letter, you will see my letter printed on F1 underbody aerodynamics. The issue has a pic onf a yellow and red Radical SR3 on it.

IN brief, by sealing the underbody flow of air you can control its function and result. Its not to stop the car lifting but to harness flow.

If you seal the underside, then you can direct all flow to come out the back of the car. This is where you place the diffuser, IF you get the diffuser right, which most people dont and F1 diffusers are HIGHLY complex and black so you cant see them lol. Anyway, you take the air under teh car, pass it to the diffuser, the diffuser rapidly creates a restictin then massice decompression right bedhing it which swirls the air, spining it and the fast moving air out the diffuser expands. As it expande is lowers the relative pressure of teh area. Using the bernouli principal and teh Venturi principal built on it, whihc states that as you speed up a gas/fluid, the relative pressure is lowered, pass it though a restrictiong and the gas is sped up. Thus, you get a lower negative pressure zone UNDER the car.......basics of ground effects and even nowadays, eventhough tits banned, the F1 cars use the same principals and try at best to seal the underbody of the car. They emply barge boards to seal and direct frontal flow, the side pods and underbody panels to direct and seal, and teh rear of teh side pods flick up from the bottom back to take air from the side of the pods, round the back to help the air comming out the diffuser. This us why teh rear suspension and tip of the engine cover at the rear are such vital aerodynamic features.
 
  BMW 320d Sport


Cheers! That sounds about right to me, the diffuser in particular makes a lot of sense, but would you want a smooth kind of expanding flow out of the rear underneath, or would you want a disturbed swirling flow?

I have got that CCC knocking about somewhere Ill look in the loft. But if you really are aiming for as near to total sealing of the sides as you can get, what is the purpose of chunky side skirts on normal track or rally cars, where there is more ground clearance and an obvious gap you could get your hand under?
 


WOW nice looking block nick - cant wait to see you let rip down the autobahn.

On the subject of skirts and difussers and so on, imo the flow should be kept as neat and attached as possible (that just seems to make more sense to me as you are trying to gain relative vacuum from fast moving air). Skirt heights - The old short lived ground effect f1 cars used to actually have sliding skirts that were in constant contact with the ground - pretty dangerous really as they had a tendancy to stick up on bumps, losing you a large percentage of your grip mid corner.

You want to try and stop as much air as possible from leaking in from the sides of the car and ruining the low pressure zone you have created under the car. The closer you are to the ground the greater the effect, but that does not mean you cant do it with a normal road car

When i eventally get round to it, i was thinking of making a flat undersided dam/splitter arrangement for mine, as the front seems to create a lot of lift at speed, i dont know whether it will case any problems with cooling / air intake yet, but its something im researching...
 
  BMW 320d Sport


Well once youve made a complete undertray with a venturi tunnel down the middle then let me know and Ill have one as well mate. Im fitting a decent solid splitter to the front (a proper DTM-type splitter that sticks out horizontally, not a bit of extra bumper that makes the car look lower) and well see how that feels at high speed. Should channel a bit more air through the rad and round the sides rather than under the engine bay. But then with less air going under the engine bay, will I have a problem with hot air not being drawn out so well? Who knows, Ill just try it and see.
 


Most race series have rules to adhiere to, and one of them is usually a minimum ride heigt, so they do the best they can within the rules. The big chinky ones on the BTCC races are more there to allow the woder track and thus the wheels which stick out further to be covered, You net nasty low and high pressure zones at the front/back/top/bottom of wheel wells which play havoc when they join teh normal airflow.

WHen you have the difusser, when it exits you wan tit to spin as fast and in as large a radius as possible, actual disturbed air behind the car can be as much as 25 foot high. lineral flow out teh back would not create the negative pressure your aiming to get, it would not be traveling fast enough.

You really wanna whip that air round FAST and BIG.

Also, a nose down attitude with teh rear higher than the front can also help with ground affects.
 


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