Keith185
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Awesome plans for it, can't wait o see the progress
Awesome plans for it, can't wait o see the progress
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LewisTaylor's BlackGold 182
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Trafic 140dci
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Thanks for all the comments and advise i appreciate everyones input.
With regards to the manifold, Andy wouldn't of sold it to me if he wasn't sure it would fit, your right this wasn't used on his others, but he'd built this engine for a new one he was going to do, but with another baby on the way he's had to cancel the plans for the new project.
I'm really going to cross that bridge when i get to it, if i was to run the standard manifold, i'd need to do something with brake lines/servo. If i run this manifold i may have coolant header tank, power steering header tank, and ABS pump problems.
Part of doing a custom build like this is getting over problems like this
The down pipe is the easy bit, i know of 2 different places around here that are dab hands at custom exhausts, one of which i get on with very well so get mates rates
Spoke to a mate tonight, who has an Astra GSI aftermarket intercooler in his garage he was going to fit, but changed his mind, so has offered it to me (it's not a standard one, but one similar sizes to what the likes of DannyR runs on his supercharged Clio) So should be ideal, he also has lots of pipe work so we can sort something out
I'm not bothered about ABS, i'd rather leave it in the save the hassle of removing it, but i'd prefer the car without it, if that makes sense? LOL.
Andy said about the adaptronic ECU was good, what do you think? I looked into it on here and RS Tuning refuse to map them?
These are the reasons i want to run a turbo'd engine, the main points for me are reliability, and power
Appreciate the advise, and will be keeping an eye on your project so i know what to do
Thanks for all the comments and advise i appreciate everyones input.
With regards to the manifold, Andy wouldn't of sold it to me if he wasn't sure it would fit, your right this wasn't used on his others, but he'd built this engine for a new one he was going to do, but with another baby on the way he's had to cancel the plans for the new project.
I'm really going to cross that bridge when i get to it, if i was to run the standard manifold, i'd need to do something with brake lines/servo. If i run this manifold i may have coolant header tank, power steering header tank, and ABS pump problems.
Part of doing a custom build like this is getting over problems like this
The down pipe is the easy bit, i know of 2 different places around here that are dab hands at custom exhausts, one of which i get on with very well so get mates rates
Spoke to a mate tonight, who has an Astra GSI aftermarket intercooler in his garage he was going to fit, but changed his mind, so has offered it to me (it's not a standard one, but one similar sizes to what the likes of DannyR runs on his supercharged Clio) So should be ideal, he also has lots of pipe work so we can sort something out
Nice one! Andy seems a really decent bloke given me lots of advise. Pictures of your manifold/down pipe would be handyBeen in a meggy 255 is nowhere as awesome as F4RT in the clio, I went out in one before i did my conversion, the power is amazing so smooth and hardly no lag if done properly. Andy is a great guy and helped me sort mine last year
For manifold ive got the standard 225 then fully custom downpipe, i can get a picture if you need??
Depends if you wanna run abs still, ive got rid of mine and i run fully stand alone on adaptronic
keep the updates coming
I'm not bothered about ABS, i'd rather leave it in the save the hassle of removing it, but i'd prefer the car without it, if that makes sense? LOL.
Andy said about the adaptronic ECU was good, what do you think? I looked into it on here and RS Tuning refuse to map them?
These are the reasons i want to run a turbo'd engine, the main points for me are reliability, and power
Appreciate the advise, and will be keeping an eye on your project so i know what to do
225 powered mk2
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About the manifold, im pretty sure the engine he had wasnt going in a clio but cross that when you come to it
Aye andy is a top bloke, proper friendly and has always helped me out whenever ive needed it
IMO adaptronic systems are great.. for the price you pay for them they smash all other systems out there, im not saying they are better than other systems but ive had no problems with mine and does everything it needs to. Just have a word with scoff AKA Chris at EFI... he really knows his stuff and hes throwing out 500bhp from an R5! iirc
Ps il get some photos when im back out on the car
About the manifold, im pretty sure the engine he had wasnt going in a clio
but cross that when you come to it Aye andy is a top bloke, proper friendly and has always helped me out whenever ive needed it
IMO adaptronic systems are great.. for the price you pay for them they smash all other systems out there, im not saying they are better than other systems but ive had no problems with mine and does everything it needs to. Just have a word with scoff AKA Chris at EFI... he really knows his stuff and hes throwing out 500bhp from an R5! iirc
Ps il get some photos when im back out on the car
Chris205
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Good luck with the manifold lewis, that engine was for a kangoo van not a clio.
Anything will fit, its just the lengths you'll go to, to make it fit. Thankfully T.Trophy has dropped off a lovely log manifold for me so I wont be f4rting () around with moving things
Good luck with the manifold lewis, that engine was for a kangoo van not a clio.
Anything will fit, its just the lengths you'll go to, to make it fit. Thankfully T.Trophy has dropped off a lovely log manifold for me so I wont be f4rting (
) around with moving things
Trafic 140dci
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By log manifold do you mean the kind engine dynamics & k-tec sell for the f4r conversion?
I'm in 2 minds as to try and use one of them if the custom one i have turns out to be a PITA.
The main thing i dont want to p*ss about with to much is brakes, i want to leave them mainly as they are/not do anything custom on them as if they fail it could go badly wrong. Although if the ABS unit is in the way, i have no problems swapping to a cup setup.
This is it, just got to make it workGood luck with the manifold lewis, that engine was for a kangoo van not a clio.
Anything will fit, its just the lengths you'll go to, to make it fit. Thankfully T.Trophy has dropped off a lovely log manifold for me so I wont be f4rting (
By log manifold do you mean the kind engine dynamics & k-tec sell for the f4r conversion?
I'm in 2 minds as to try and use one of them if the custom one i have turns out to be a PITA.
The main thing i dont want to p*ss about with to much is brakes, i want to leave them mainly as they are/not do anything custom on them as if they fail it could go badly wrong. Although if the ABS unit is in the way, i have no problems swapping to a cup setup.
172 cup, Impreza P1
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Scoff at EFI Parts is a top bloke and has given me loads of advise on my setup. I'm booked in on the 7th Of July for wiring and mapping and can't wait. He really rates the adaptronic stuff and as Rob says, he's used it to get unbelievable power out of his R5.
Now that I know what to do to clear the master cylinder with the down pipe it's not that difficult but part of the fun of doing a conversion is finding this stuff out and finding solutions to the problems you face. It's all too easy to give the car to a tuner or whoever and get them to do it but from what I've seen you look like someone who wants to do it yourself and get the feeling of achievement by DIY.
Enjoy!
Scoff at EFI Parts is a top bloke and has given me loads of advise on my setup. I'm booked in on the 7th Of July for wiring and mapping and can't wait. He really rates the adaptronic stuff and as Rob says, he's used it to get unbelievable power out of his R5.
Now that I know what to do to clear the master cylinder with the down pipe it's not that difficult but part of the fun of doing a conversion is finding this stuff out and finding solutions to the problems you face. It's all too easy to give the car to a tuner or whoever and get them to do it but from what I've seen you look like someone who wants to do it yourself and get the feeling of achievement by DIY.
Enjoy!
Chris205
ClioSport Club Member
Many Things
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Yeah the log manifold is the ED/K-tec one
Apparently someone who changed the brake/abs/master cylinder set up on there turbo clio was atroscious (sp)This is it, just got to make it work
By log manifold do you mean the kind engine dynamics & k-tec sell for the f4r conversion?
I'm in 2 minds as to try and use one of them if the custom one i have turns out to be a PITA.
The main thing i dont want to p*ss about with to much is brakes, i want to leave them mainly as they are/not do anything custom on them as if they fail it could go badly wrong. Although if the ABS unit is in the way, i have no problems swapping to a cup setup.
Yeah the log manifold is the ED/K-tec one
Trafic 140dci
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What's it costing for wiring and mapping? Was going to take it to TDF for the same but if they are competitive i'll use EFI
I know what you mean, i love nothing more than working on the car, i wish i could weld and knew more about electronics so i could do most of the work my self!
Thanks mate
I can see it easily causing problems if you start moving it all...
Ah right, are you using that on a F4rT or F4r? What turbo will you be using?
Oh right, sounds dumb but i didn't know Scoff was EFI-parts! Andy has been recomending EFI but had never heard of them so been a bit cautious! Now i know who it is i'll definatly be using them
What's it costing for wiring and mapping? Was going to take it to TDF for the same but if they are competitive i'll use EFI I know what you mean, i love nothing more than working on the car, i wish i could weld and knew more about electronics so i could do most of the work my self!
Thanks mate
I can see it easily causing problems if you start moving it all...
Ah right, are you using that on a F4rT or F4r? What turbo will you be using?
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If you want big power the log manifold is a bad idea, the runner on cylinder 3 is extremely short compared to 1 in particular, so you end up with pulses colliding which cause higher EBP and with 3 being so close you risk overheating the exhaust valves on that cylinder, especially if you are on standard ones which are bad to begin with.
If you want big power the log manifold is a bad idea, the runner on cylinder 3 is extremely short compared to 1 in particular, so you end up with pulses colliding which cause higher EBP and with 3 being so close you risk overheating the exhaust valves on that cylinder, especially if you are on standard ones which are bad to begin with.
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Great project & Good luck with it Will be good to see it when its done!
Great project & Good luck with it
Will be good to see it when its done!
Trafic 140dci
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Thanks for the advise Chip I'll stick with the side mounted manifold
Thanks for the advise Chip
I'll stick with the side mounted manifold 
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Side mounted will look awesome imo.
So is than plan to have this ready for the ring?
Side mounted will look awesome imo.
So is than plan to have this ready for the ring?
Trafic 140dci
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Should be, have most of the parts now, once the white shell is gone I'll start
Rs200
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yeaaaaaa this should be sick, a bg,182 is p**n on its own let alone 225 swap with it nice one.
yeaaaaaa this should be sick, a bg,182 is p**n on its own let alone 225 swap with it nice one.
Chris205
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Just my existing F4R mate, was thinking GT28RS although I hear the new GTX range are really good, I think paul runs one on his megane R26.R
Chris205
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I'm just taking the advice from someone who's done the same and ran it safely for a fair few thousand miles
I'm just taking the advice from someone who's done the same and ran it safely for a fair few thousand miles
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I've owned/mapped everything upto 35s on 2 litres and the 30 is best matched to a 2.0 in my experience, especially for fwd where you don't want it hitting too hard lower down, even on a 30 i find myself limiting the boost artificially well under 4k normally
28s work, but 30s just do it with less strain. I don't see any downside to a 30 at all tbh other than maybe physical space in a tight bay.
I've owned/mapped everything upto 35s on 2 litres and the 30 is best matched to a 2.0 in my experience, especially for fwd where you don't want it hitting too hard lower down, even on a 30 i find myself limiting the boost artificially well under 4k normally
28s work, but 30s just do it with less strain. I don't see any downside to a 30 at all tbh other than maybe physical space in a tight bay.
PH1 loads of boost!
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^^^ This!
Should be a good build this, take advantage of the side mount and use a big turbo! Strap a GT30 onto it, stick some ARP's in there and aim for 400. Piece of p155! Not as hard as you think to build a 400+ clio is it, and if you're using standard engine bits then they're easily replaced if it goes tits up
Just make sure you've got a spare gearbox or 6!
^^^ This!
Should be a good build this, take advantage of the side mount and use a big turbo! Strap a GT30 onto it, stick some ARP's in there and aim for 400. Piece of p155! Not as hard as you think to build a 400+ clio is it, and if you're using standard engine bits then they're easily replaced if it goes tits up
Just make sure you've got a spare gearbox or 6!
Trafic 140dci
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But for now rather than a Megane td04 which is about £2-300 when ever they are for sale I'll be using a scooby td04, at about a third of the price
Look forward to my white shell selling so I can crack on with this
Money really is a main factor on this. If my cammed engine doesn't sell I'll sell the cams and have it rebuild at a later date forged with a megane head for a huge turbo.^^^ This!
Should be a good build this, take advantage of the side mount and use a big turbo! Strap a GT30 onto it, stick some ARP's in there and aim for 400. Piece of p155! Not as hard as you think to build a 400+ clio is it, and if you're using standard engine bits then they're easily replaced if it goes tits up
Just make sure you've got a spare gearbox or 6!
But for now rather than a Megane td04 which is about £2-300 when ever they are for sale I'll be using a scooby td04, at about a third of the price
Look forward to my white shell selling so I can crack on with this
Trophy Turbo :)
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Now then Boys Play Nice.
Now then Boys Play Nice.
PH1 loads of boost!
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I'd keep an eye out for a Megane/Laguna turbo engine or head as well, they can be had for very little. If you take your time you can find stuff for a big HP build for fairly cheap. I suppose using a standard turbo and collecting all the big bits is a good way to do an upgrade and enjoy it at the same time...
I'd keep an eye out for a Megane/Laguna turbo engine or head as well, they can be had for very little. If you take your time you can find stuff for a big HP build for fairly cheap. I suppose using a standard turbo and collecting all the big bits is a good way to do an upgrade and enjoy it at the same time...
Trophy Turbo :)
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Now then Boys Play Nice.
Lewis the manifold will fit into your car with no issues ( it certainly WAS NOT ) made for a Kangoo, and even if it was the Kangoo Van has the same engine bay setup as the Clio LOL, as you know some work will be needed for a down pipe and this of course depends on what turbo you go for. The Water bottle will need moved onto the passenger side strut, its just two bolts. I fitted this to our project car with no issues at all the week before i had to change plans! and that is a clio 172 . This wasn't in the valver, that ran a OEM 225 manifold!
In Relation to the ECU i think the GEN90 is a great bit of kit and will litrally Plug and Play with no major work! As i said the Adaptonic is great and i cant see why Paul would not map this, he did at one point map mine for me, and yes the software is a little dated its still very efficient! running a Hybrid turbo mine made 309.6Bhp at 1.2Bar. and at 1.1Bar 299.8 At RST, so the Ecu can control the car well. The new version of Adaptronic are out and are very very good. Andy Scoff from Efi-Parts.co.uk will certainly map this for you! Look at the top dog R5s running massive BHP are running this ECU.
Now in Relation to the Turbo I agree very much with Chip, some one who acshally knows what hes talking about, with his vast Turbo background. nothing worse than a Limp lifless smooth car IMO, you want Raw and aggressive to throw you into the seat! and 300Bhp does that!
In the case of some posts in here its defo "who you know" and not "What you know" PMSL
Now then Boys Play Nice.
Lewis the manifold will fit into your car with no issues ( it certainly WAS NOT ) made for a Kangoo, and even if it was the Kangoo Van has the same engine bay setup as the Clio LOL, as you know some work will be needed for a down pipe and this of course depends on what turbo you go for. The Water bottle will need moved onto the passenger side strut, its just two bolts. I fitted this to our project car with no issues at all
the week before i had to change plans! and that is a clio 172 . This wasn't in the valver, that ran a OEM 225 manifold! In Relation to the ECU i think the GEN90 is a great bit of kit and will litrally Plug and Play with no major work! As i said the Adaptonic is great and i cant see why Paul would not map this, he did at one point map mine for me, and yes the software is a little dated its still very efficient! running a Hybrid turbo mine made 309.6Bhp at 1.2Bar. and at 1.1Bar 299.8 At RST, so the Ecu can control the car well. The new version of Adaptronic are out and are very very good. Andy Scoff from Efi-Parts.co.uk will certainly map this for you! Look at the top dog R5s running massive BHP are running this ECU.
Now in Relation to the Turbo I agree very much with Chip, some one who acshally knows what hes talking about, with his vast Turbo background. nothing worse than a Limp lifless smooth car IMO, you want Raw and aggressive to throw you into the seat! and 300Bhp does that!
In the case of some posts in here its defo "who you know" and not "What you know" PMSL
PH1 loads of boost!
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Spare* ready to swap over should you need it.
Spare* ready to swap over should you need it.
Trophy Turbo :)
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Lewis has the Megane Bottom End, 225 Pistons, Rods and the 225 Head already mate It will be great up to 300Bhp
Lewis has the Megane Bottom End, 225 Pistons, Rods and the 225 Head already mate
It will be great up to 300Bhp
PH1 loads of boost!
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With some ARP's it'll do another 100 as well, someone will prove that soon enough I reckon, all this talk of the meg engine only going to 300 is tittle tattle
Lewis has the Megane Bottom End, 225 Pistons, Rods and the 225 Head already mate
With some ARP's it'll do another 100 as well, someone will prove that soon enough I reckon, all this talk of the meg engine only going to 300 is tittle tattle
Trophy Turbo :)
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LOL Well mate, well see soon enough im sure,
With some ARP's it'll do another 100 as well, someone will prove that soon enough I reckon, all this talk of the meg engine only going to 300 is tittle tattle
LOL Well mate, well see soon enough im sure,
Trafic 140dci
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on the ecu I read that wrong, it was another that he wouldn't map, but it was to late to edit my post once I found out chances are I'll go for a TDF EC1 as its only £599 and a very good bit of kit. Gen90 is way out of my budget, I'd be happy to get Chris at EFI to map my car, but he litterally couldn't be further away!
Thanks AndyNow then Boys Play Nice.
Lewis the manifold will fit into your car with no issues ( it certainly WAS NOT ) made for a Kangoo, and even if it was the Kangoo Van has the same engine bay setup as the Clio LOL, as you know some work will be needed for a down pipe and this of course depends on what turbo you go for. The Water bottle will need moved onto the passenger side strut, its just two bolts. I fitted this to our project car with no issues at all
In Relation to the ECU i think the GEN90 is a great bit of kit and will litrally Plug and Play with no major work! As i said the Adaptonic is great and i cant see why Paul would not map this, he did at one point map mine for me, and yes the software is a little dated its still very efficient! running a Hybrid turbo mine made 309.6Bhp at 1.2Bar. and at 1.1Bar 299.8 At RST, so the Ecu can control the car well. The new version of Adaptronic are out and are very very good. Andy Scoff from Efi-Parts.co.uk will certainly map this for you! Look at the top dog R5s running massive BHP are running this ECU.
Now in Relation to the Turbo I agree very much with Chip, some one who acshally knows what hes talking about, with his vast Turbo background. nothing worse than a Limp lifless smooth car IMO, you want Raw and aggressive to throw you into the seat! and 300Bhp does that!
In the case of some posts in here its defo "who you know" and not "What you know" PMSL
on the ecu I read that wrong, it was another that he wouldn't map, but it was to late to edit my post once I found out chances are I'll go for a TDF EC1 as its only £599 and a very good bit of kit. Gen90 is way out of my budget, I'd be happy to get Chris at EFI to map my car, but he litterally couldn't be further away!
Trafic 140dci
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I don't know a great deal tbh! Read alot on here, Andyrg has told me the rest lol mpg really isn't something I'll be thinking about...
172 cup
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Ye but I'm pleased with myself when I change my oil lol!, ye I drive 16/17000 a year so if I did it I would have to take that into consideration :/
Ye but I'm pleased with myself when I change my oil lol!, ye I drive 16/17000 a year so if I did it I would have to take that into consideration :/
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You only need arp rod bolts if revving higher, power has no bearing on them, only rpm.
The problem with the standard bits is rubbish production tolerances, especially the pistons, some are cast well enough to get away with more than others, so don't think if one person does it that it proves another can, the pistons are very inconsistent so what one does isn't proof of what another will do.
Depends a lot how it's mapped too in terms of managing temps and peak cylinder pressures, if I was going for 400 bhp on standard parts I would want a 500bhp turbo on there to do it essentially as I would want conservative ignition advance and a very rich mixture.
Utterly pointless building one that way to try for big power though unless you were in some race series that specified standard rods and pistons when only about a grand puts a set of forged rods and pistons in it and stops the need for such compromise.
With some ARP's it'll do another 100 as well, someone will prove that soon enough I reckon, all this talk of the meg engine only going to 300 is tittle tattle
You only need arp rod bolts if revving higher, power has no bearing on them, only rpm.
The problem with the standard bits is rubbish production tolerances, especially the pistons, some are cast well enough to get away with more than others, so don't think if one person does it that it proves another can, the pistons are very inconsistent so what one does isn't proof of what another will do.
Depends a lot how it's mapped too in terms of managing temps and peak cylinder pressures, if I was going for 400 bhp on standard parts I would want a 500bhp turbo on there to do it essentially as I would want conservative ignition advance and a very rich mixture.
Utterly pointless building one that way to try for big power though unless you were in some race series that specified standard rods and pistons when only about a grand puts a set of forged rods and pistons in it and stops the need for such compromise.
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Scoff's already ran 400bhp+ on standard internals, so I don't see what the big deal is. BUT he did use a different crank to lower the CR into the 7's and he ran a large turbo which as Chip says above goes along way to reducing the risks. The biggest problem with Meg engines is there CR and they have a really restrictive turbo/manifold systems so when people start upping the boost thats when they start having failures. Plus I dont think the fuel system without a boost reference helps matters either when butting big boost in them.
Regarding turbo choice etc.... I've driven Renaults with F4R engines that have been fitted with a GT2860R, GT2871R, GT3076R, GTX3071R, stock Meg turbo's and Meg Hybrid turbos. They have been fitted to various manifolds some logs and some tubulars and out of all I still maintain that the GT2860R (on a logg) was the best all rounder for spool, power and response. Yes the hybrid spooled faster but was gutless at the top end, and the GT30's both made more power for less boost but were noticeably laggier where as the GT2860R was slap bang in the middle and gave the best of both worlds, and lets face it anything over 350bhp and your gonna spend more time swapping JC5 gearboxes than driving it.
Scoff's already ran 400bhp+ on standard internals, so I don't see what the big deal is. BUT he did use a different crank to lower the CR into the 7's and he ran a large turbo which as Chip says above goes along way to reducing the risks. The biggest problem with Meg engines is there CR and they have a really restrictive turbo/manifold systems so when people start upping the boost thats when they start having failures. Plus I dont think the fuel system without a boost reference helps matters either when butting big boost in them.
Regarding turbo choice etc.... I've driven Renaults with F4R engines that have been fitted with a GT2860R, GT2871R, GT3076R, GTX3071R, stock Meg turbo's and Meg Hybrid turbos. They have been fitted to various manifolds some logs and some tubulars and out of all I still maintain that the GT2860R (on a logg) was the best all rounder for spool, power and response. Yes the hybrid spooled faster but was gutless at the top end, and the GT30's both made more power for less boost but were noticeably laggier where as the GT2860R was slap bang in the middle and gave the best of both worlds, and lets face it anything over 350bhp and your gonna spend more time swapping JC5 gearboxes than driving it.
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He used a different crank to lower the CR?
While that is technically possible, it would be an epically stupid way of doing it IMHO and it certainly would NOT constitute "standard internals" anymore, changing the crank is far harder than changing the rods and pistons, you can do rods and pistons with the engine in the car still in a day with ease, crank you cant though!
GT30 all the way, in the boost threshold they are very responsive and who wants loads of boost at under 4Krpm anyway on an engine that happily revs to 7500rpm?
He used a different crank to lower the CR?
While that is technically possible, it would be an epically stupid way of doing it IMHO and it certainly would NOT constitute "standard internals" anymore, changing the crank is far harder than changing the rods and pistons, you can do rods and pistons with the engine in the car still in a day with ease, crank you cant though!
GT30 all the way, in the boost threshold they are very responsive and who wants loads of boost at under 4Krpm anyway on an engine that happily revs to 7500rpm?
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It was on his drag five and worked pretty well, his philosophy was similar to Wilkys. If he had a piston/rod/block failure its a cheap fix. That was in his early days and hes moved on to higher BHP and a forged lump now.
It was on his drag five and worked pretty well, his philosophy was similar to Wilkys. If he had a piston/rod/block failure its a cheap fix. That was in his early days and hes moved on to higher BHP and a forged lump now.
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What crank did he use? You'd only want the throw to be a mm or so shorter, and I cant think of any standard crank that would do that off hand, and if you get into the realms of offset grinds its quite a hassle to machine and requires thicker (less reliable) bearings.
Surely a thicker head gasket would be the cheapest and simplest way to pikey the CR down, cant believe that he would alter the crank instead TBH, hope he replies here with some details as it would be interesting to know for certain.
Definately not something I'd recomend as an option for people though personally, rods and pistons make far more sense.
What crank did he use? You'd only want the throw to be a mm or so shorter, and I cant think of any standard crank that would do that off hand, and if you get into the realms of offset grinds its quite a hassle to machine and requires thicker (less reliable) bearings.
Surely a thicker head gasket would be the cheapest and simplest way to pikey the CR down, cant believe that he would alter the crank instead TBH, hope he replies here with some details as it would be interesting to know for certain.
Definately not something I'd recomend as an option for people though personally, rods and pistons make far more sense.
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Think it was out of a 1.7 volvo lump, sure it reduced both the capacity and CR in one foul swoop. Whilst it might not seem the most logical choice it certainly worked. However he did suffer a failure in the form of a bent rod once he went beyond 400bhp.
Think it was out of a 1.7 volvo lump, sure it reduced both the capacity and CR in one foul swoop. Whilst it might not seem the most logical choice it certainly worked. However he did suffer a failure in the form of a bent rod once he went beyond 400bhp.
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Reducing capacity is a bit of a backwards step really if you are looking for power.
Not saying what scoff did was "wrong" as such, but I would imagine it was one of those "Im bored so I will try this" type things rather than him really thinking it was the way forward long term or something he would recomend as the way forward.
Reducing capacity is a bit of a backwards step really if you are looking for power.
Not saying what scoff did was "wrong" as such, but I would imagine it was one of those "Im bored so I will try this" type things rather than him really thinking it was the way forward long term or something he would recomend as the way forward.
