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Mark 1 Track Car - Trophy Red 172 Project



Bought this back in October 2013 from Danny-Ace on the forums, he'd ebayed it randomly as a none runner (aux system removed for s/c mock up and all wiring sold) so I snapped it up for a few quid.

Its since sat on stock in a mates lockup since then over Christmas etc with me having little or no time to look at it, until now. Track season is approaching, I've already booked Bedford in May and as of now I have no car to take! so best get going!

No idea how well I'll keep this up to date, knowing me, badly! but I will give it a shot.

So here she is as I bought her back in October, JWC, one of the old valvers I remember from when I got my first one, so sort of a car I always wanted to own after it inspired me to get/modify a mk1 16v Clio.

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and sat tucked up

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Danny had used the car on track a bit and he's spent a lot of time and effort on the car, its spec is pretty decent and although it was looking a bit sorry for itself when I collected it, I could see the potential easily.

Spec:

- Clio 1.8 16v shell fully resprayed in Clio 182 Trophy Red
- Full welded in cage, modified and added to with harness bars and tied to the a pillars
- Rewelded and mounted steering column supports and seat bars.
- Clio 172 Engine and Gearbox on 55k
- Clio 172 full front end conversion (wishbones, hubs, brakes, driveshafts)
- Brand new FK Highsport Clio Williams Coilovers modified to fit 172 hubs
- Clio Williams ARB
- Fully polybushed
- Uprated engine mounts all round
- Clio Williams PAS rack, greased and sealed for manual use
- Clio 172 Cup master cylinder
- Seam welded subframe
- Plastic windows
- Chopped doors for weight saving
- Manual Sunroof
- Mongoose exhaust, modified to link to 172 manifold and tailpipe modified
- Some sort of quickshift gearlinkage

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Pics of Engine and cage when I bought it

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So a good base to start with. But theres some weird things that need addressing, like the front is so low that the front arch on the nearside was smashed apart and despite all the trick mods and track prep, its got Halfrauds front brake pads. And the radiator is zip tied to the slam panel, so tinkering needs to be done.

Also it has a clio 1.8 16v alternator, no use as I'm going to wire it up fully with job lot from a phase 1 172 I have in breaking currently.

So I picked it up this weekend and dragged it back home, first job before was to pop to my mates garage and check the timing as the aux belt pullet and crank bolt had been removed (s/c project legacy from Danny). Popped the locking pin in, whipped the oil caps off and bang, slotted the timing tool straight in. turned it few times, locked again and boom, in again. Bonus! so timing was still all fine :)

Also fitted my AST solid adjustable top mounts to the FK coilovers

Car is now back on my drive and the list of parts and things to do is as follows:

Parts Acquired:

- Mocal oil cooler and sandwich plate
- Cobra Imola 2 seats with side mounts and TRS harness'
- Helmet net
- Clio 172 Cup JC5 gearbox with Quaiffe Limited Slip Differential
- Clio 172 Alternator
- Clio 172 phase 1 full engine and interior loom with clocks UCH etc (wiper/headlight stalks as well)
- Clio 1.8 16v plug set to splice to 172 loom for lights/wipers etc
- Seam welded subframe (another one modified to fit 172 radiator correctly)
- Two Front wings
- Front Bumper with cooling ducts and proper 1.8 16v splitter
- Pair of Phase 1 1.8 16v mirror caps
- Fibreglass bonnet and pins
- Eibach camber bolts

To do:

- Fit all the above including painting/powdercoating as necessary
- Sort front end geo with camber bolts and top mounts then laser track it
- Get to Bedford on 19th May :)

so that's where we're at currently, hopefully some updates over coming weeks, slow progress more than likely until the nights get lighter and I can get on it after work!

quick comparison of the changes the cars undergone, as heres an old pic from when I originally used to covet the car

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and as she currently stands in the cold light of day:

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they're great little cars but they require a fair amount of...love shall we say, and persistence to keep them up to par!
rust is the main issue though tbh, everything else is surmountable with relative ease
 
That's what does make me reluctant to be honest. Got a 172 Cup currently and eventually plan to turn it into a rally car. However, I would imagine the MK1 is a little lighter and (most importantly) looks way cooler, so I would prefer to start with one of those. Just don't much fancy spending weeks welding it back together before I even start modifying though.
 
its just the age mainly going against them @massivewangers she's 24 this year so knocking on a bit!
I do like the mk2, I run a 182 daily and had a couple of phase 1 172's as well, but they just don't float my boat like a mk1 does, I trust myself more with the mk1 chassis and handling and as you mention, they look the nuts (imo of course!) but the mk2 components in mine complement it wonderfully and give me more flexibility for modifications etc as parts are more readily available. best of both worlds...once I've sorted the rotten sill!lol!
 
Im definitely going to run full 172 running gear and looms in mine, next time your at yours if you could get a pic of the rear lights/front lights/wiper motor wiring that would be handy! are you running a heater in this or is looped?
 
Think 172 /182 is the way forward for the Mark 1s, just dont cut the power now really. Mark 1s are more fun on track too.
 
@midge I'll see what I can do but I'll have to strip the looms back again as I wrapped them all after the splicing, may not be for a bit as weathers s**t etc! lol!
As for the cooling circuit think its just less hoses, there no loop that I can remember but I'll grab some pics of that as well when next under the bonnet. But no I don't run any heater/blower
 
Have you done any modification to the 182 manifold? I've tried one in mine and it doesn't fit without being cut or the exhaust tunnel being modified, sits about 10mm from the block and also hits the anti roll bar
 
not yet @AdamAnderton not tried to fit it yet, but plan is to just mod what I need to. Pete Withers has got one on his and he said, and I quote, 'it just bolted straight on'

so we'll see!
 
24-01-2017 - Turbines Powdercoated

Not much been going on last week or two as frankly its just been too cold. Been meaning to remove the subframe to have a stab at getting the 182 manifold on but so far cba!

As such all I did is get the turbines to the coaters last week and popped up this morning to collect them. Decent enough job for the price, I wasn't after an immaculate finish or i'd of had them painted properly but its a track car so tidy is good enough. Will be getting the NS2-R's fitted Saturday.

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love these wheels.. i remember seeing a Renault 19 with them and just couldn't stop staring at it whilst it was sat in traffic... Many moons ago!!
 
love these wheels.. i remember seeing a Renault 19 with them and just couldn't stop staring at it whilst it was sat in traffic... Many moons ago!!
the 19 turbines are actually slightly different, they are more of an 8 spoke angular design than the clio ones and the main face is flatter where the cap sits, recessed almost. Unless of course you mean the R19 had the clio wheels fitted to it!lol!
 
the 19 turbines are actually slightly different, they are more of an 8 spoke angular design than the clio ones and the main face is flatter where the cap sits, recessed almost. Unless of course you mean the R19 had the clio wheels fitted to it!lol!

to be totally honest with you, I have no idea which set it was, but they look gangster! None or this 22" Chrome crap 😂
 
28-01-2017 NS-2R's Fitted

Self explanatory tbh, got the tyres fitted today, 195/50 R15 as I've always found the 45 profile to look too 'ribbony'
Was hoping to begin removing subframe etc but ended up chin wagging with Dan longer than expected and checking out his mk1 225 megane engine/gearbox conversion.

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29-01-2017 - 182 Manifold Fitting

Okay so decided despite the fairly rubbish weather that I would make a start on fitting the 182 Manifold to the car.

As the manifold is much longer than the 172 setup, its a subframe off job to fit it, so that was todays plan. I wasn't hoping to get everything done but at least get cracking!

So first job...........fit the stud conversion to the rear axle and put the new wheels on!lol! Excuse the very rusty disc, cars been sat since last April...oops!
The conversion was for standard length bolts supposedly, but fits fine with the 10mm spacers, plenty of threads on and tbh the turbine centre cap only just goes over at that. As such I am going to have to order some 10mm smaller studs for the front axle as I don't run spacers up there.

Anyway, pics, mid fitting...

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Fitted with wheel

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Then cracked on removing the subframe, relatively simple job on one of these in this state of stripped. plus I've had it apart a fair few times. So bumper off, then 13mm x2 for braces, 16mm x2 front frame bolts, 17mm gearbox mount, remove dog-bone and gear linkage, 16mm x2 pinch bolts for ball joints, 16mm x2 track rods and free from hubs, 13mm pinch on column to rack. and tah-dah

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Existing setup as it look on the car

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and removed, leaving the standard fit clio 16v cat back exhaust on the car

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and then laid them up side by side to get a feel for difference

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Plan is to now fit the 182 manifold as it stands, offer up subframe and ensure it all clears. If all okay, I will then remove it once more and send both exhausts to the engineering place so they can remake the link pipe much shorter to fit the new manifold

more next weekend hopefully!

cheers

Ben
 
29-01-2017 - 182 Manifold Fitting

Okay so decided despite the fairly rubbish weather that I would make a start on fitting the 182 Manifold to the car.

As the manifold is much longer than the 172 setup, its a subframe off job to fit it, so that was todays plan. I wasn't hoping to get everything done but at least get cracking!

So first job...........fit the stud conversion to the rear axle and put the new wheels on!lol! Excuse the very rusty disc, cars been sat since last April...oops!
The conversion was for standard length bolts supposedly, but fits fine with the 10mm spacers, plenty of threads on and tbh the turbine centre cap only just goes over at that. As such I am going to have to order some 10mm smaller studs for the front axle as I don't run spacers up there.

Anyway, pics, mid fitting...

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Fitted with wheel

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Then cracked on removing the subframe, relatively simple job on one of these in this state of stripped. plus I've had it apart a fair few times. So bumper off, then 13mm x2 for braces, 16mm x2 front frame bolts, 17mm gearbox mount, remove dog-bone and gear linkage, 16mm x2 pinch bolts for ball joints, 16mm x2 track rods and free from hubs, 13mm pinch on column to rack. and tah-dah

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Existing setup as it look on the car

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and removed, leaving the standard fit clio 16v cat back exhaust on the car

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and then laid them up side by side to get a feel for difference

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Plan is to now fit the 182 manifold as it stands, offer up subframe and ensure it all clears. If all okay, I will then remove it once more and send both exhausts to the engineering place so they can remake the link pipe much shorter to fit the new manifold

more next weekend hopefully!

cheers

Ben
Could the 172 or 182 manifold fit a Williams or is the anti roll bar in the way
If so can you retro fit the 172/182 anti roll bar setup to a Williams.
Would be a great mod as I believe the Williams manifold is really restrictive.
 
Wouldn't fit the f7 engine without some modding and then no idea if angle off back of engine be same to fit. Power steering rack solid pipework may be in the way also (I run manual so pipes are just bent out way )
 
Wouldn't fit the f7 engine without some modding and then no idea if angle off back of engine be same to fit. Power steering rack solid pipework may be in the way also (I run manual so pipes are just bent out way )
I've seen a chap on the Irish Backroads forum start to fit a 172 manifold, which he extended the headers and managed to fit it but then went off the radar, so never actually saw the finished article.
Shame!!
 
yeah i think I've heard of people trying, but it would defo be a bit of work to get it all to align correctly

and I still don't actually know if the 182 version will fit the mark 1 chassis/subframe. I've heard two reports of fitting, one went straight on and one wouldn't fit supposedly by two different 'modders'

as such I will see......
 
I ran a 172 Anti roll bar on my old mk1 which was running an F4R and Williams track.
The 182 manifold will fit with the F4R engine and a 172/182 anti roll bar.
Im currently using a williams ARB with 172 track and F7R engine
 
I ran a 172 Anti roll bar on my old mk1 which was running an F4R and Williams track.
The 182 manifold will fit with the F4R engine and a 172/182 anti roll bar.
Im currently using a williams ARB with 172 track and F7R engine
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I ran a 172 Anti roll bar on my old mk1 which was running an F4R and Williams track.
The 182 manifold will fit with the F4R engine and a 172/182 anti roll bar.
Im currently using a williams ARB with 172 track and F7R engine

Yeah Smokey Pete says it fits as he's got one on his, but Adam Anderton seems to think it fouls as he couldn't get it to clear, both 172 engine and arb as far as I know
 
Mike Woodford is running a 182 manifold, i offered one up to mine with out issue, Adam must have had a williams/valver anti roll bar, there is enough space!
 
Good news, either way I'm going to trial fit first as it'll be easier take both to machine shop to make the mods and least at that point I know it's fitting before I hack up the working 172 kit, lol
 
05-02-2017 - Subframe Cleanup
Decided to do few more bits on the car today, the subframe assembly was powdercoated around 3 years ago ish when I first completed the car, so a cleanup was in order whilst it was off the shed!
Gunk and the pressure washer ftw!

Before:



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During:
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After:
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There is a common fault too with mk1 steering rack bushes, only affects the power steering equipped cars but they essentially perish over time and lead to play in the steering. They are nla from Renault but chap in Europe has copied them and made some worthy 'knock offs' so grabbed a set.
New bushes:
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Rack off:
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Old fubar bushes:
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Refitted:
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I also removed all the excess pipework from the rack and intend to get the old fittings spot welded up to seal them. So small weight saving in pipes and a random bracket
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And finally I painted the heat wrapped 182 manifold ready to fit for clearance testing :)
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More to come

Cheers
Ben
 
14-02-2017 - Test Fit 182 Manifold

Slightly late with this update, but got the 182 manifold onto the car today, she's a snug fit but once I refitted the subframe on its main mounts and got the dogbone mount back on she's there.


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Then got a shot of how it lines up to the rest of the system, I need to make up a short decat of around 25cm in length and also move the lambda to the decat and weld up the hole in the manifold looking at it as its just fouling on the shifter linkage which is a pain!
also appears that the centre section is too low but won't raise any higher without hitting the bodywork so the decat will have to account for this and not just the straight.

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I then frustratingly had to pay the price for my own stupidity, I purchased another car this weekend, an Odyssey phase 1 which I needed to get onto the drive, behind the track car. So I had to refit the old 172 manifold and the entire subframe assembly once again to move the car off the drive.

so took a moody bumpeer and bonnetless pic and a close up of the open front of the car is its just interesting to see it all from that angle!

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So the cars back running currently but I need to sort the 182 manifold and then remove subframe again to fit it all once I've had the link pipe made up

cheers

Ben
 
Few more bits done recently, chased a load of issues with electrics out, mainly down to kippered relays and earth points needing cleaning.

So, fitted the gel battery, kept original location as cba wiring it inside

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fitted the mocal oil cooler
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skinned and drilled the bumper as #trackcar, lol!

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finished bay bar bit of cleaning and painting when I get round to it

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and the knackered sill that's to be chopped and welded within next few weeks ;)

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after that, I've got the braided fuel lines to fit, swap to the none aux tank fuel filler from the other car and sort the breathers out

then refit the 182 exhaust, get the decat link made up for it and get her on the rollers to see how she fuels

cheers

Ben
 


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