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Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project [Year 3 - Engine and Chassis Rebuild]
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
your doing motherfucking FCS??
your doing motherfucking FCS??
DCi 100
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=503291
Day after Matt
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=503291
Day after Matt
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
woah ... im wasted.
so its not FCS .... just a trackday? .... im going to look for funds, or should i say more werk?
woah ... im wasted.
so its not FCS .... just a trackday? .... im going to look for funds, or should i say more werk?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
LOL.
As said, FCS on the Sunday...see some hero's and cars, back to the hotel - full day at Rockingham on monday... done.
LOL.
As said, FCS on the Sunday...see some hero's and cars, back to the hotel - full day at Rockingham on monday... done.
R5 GTT EFI Clio.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Car looks amazing Jord!
Car looks amazing Jord!
Fiesta ST-3
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
wow, Thats one epic machine! I remember your mk2 ph2 on clubclio! Thought that was good but this one is even better!!
wow, Thats one epic machine! I remember your mk2 ph2 on clubclio! Thought that was good but this one is even better!!
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Righty then - driveshafts finally sorted.
As mentioned a few pages back I have always had problems with the hub nut thread on the N/S driveshaft, i.e. the nut not going on. I got a scrap driveshaft from Whiteley and attmpted to swap the whole outer CV over. I couldnt get the CV off the end so gave up and tried to repair the thread on the original shaft.
After a few hours with files, grinders and new nuts I finally got it sorted - threads perfectly now thankfully.
My next problem was the inner O/S driveshaft gaiter. It had split when we towed the car to get the welding finished - and seemed to have a really hard time trying to get hold of a replacement! No factors could match it, the only option was Renault and it was going to be silly money compared to the price of an outer CV gaiter. Luckily sideways danny has a spare kit that he had never used, so got that from him and went about fitting it...
Old one cut off...
Tripid off, new gaiter on...
Then after yet more hassle with the inner clip, done!
I ended up having to use a jubilee clip to secure the smaller one, as it split in half when it was crimped - good 'ole Renault quality. Outer one crimped perfectly and then fitted it back to the car.
Hopefully I will never have to do another gaiter/cv joint - messiest f*cking job ever. The N/S driveshaft that I had lent had a split in it that we didn't know about - and when I came to swap it back for mine there was grease everywhere. Just cleaning the grease up took 3x longer than acctually swapping the driveshaft - f*cking joke!
More soon.
Righty then - driveshafts finally sorted.
As mentioned a few pages back I have always had problems with the hub nut thread on the N/S driveshaft, i.e. the nut not going on. I got a scrap driveshaft from Whiteley and attmpted to swap the whole outer CV over. I couldnt get the CV off the end so gave up and tried to repair the thread on the original shaft.
After a few hours with files, grinders and new nuts I finally got it sorted - threads perfectly now thankfully.
My next problem was the inner O/S driveshaft gaiter. It had split when we towed the car to get the welding finished - and seemed to have a really hard time trying to get hold of a replacement! No factors could match it, the only option was Renault and it was going to be silly money compared to the price of an outer CV gaiter. Luckily sideways danny has a spare kit that he had never used, so got that from him and went about fitting it...
Old one cut off...
Tripid off, new gaiter on...
Then after yet more hassle with the inner clip, done!
I ended up having to use a jubilee clip to secure the smaller one, as it split in half when it was crimped - good 'ole Renault quality. Outer one crimped perfectly and then fitted it back to the car.
Hopefully I will never have to do another gaiter/cv joint - messiest f*cking job ever. The N/S driveshaft that I had lent had a split in it that we didn't know about - and when I came to swap it back for mine there was grease everywhere. Just cleaning the grease up took 3x longer than acctually swapping the driveshaft - f*cking joke!
More soon.
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
I know what you mean about that CV grease, I have no idea how people can rebuild them for a living. Glad you got it sorted, I was starting to worry.
I know what you mean about that CV grease, I have no idea how people can rebuild them for a living. Glad you got it sorted, I was starting to worry.
wilky19
ClioSport Club Member
Leon FR 184
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
it is horrible stuff, got two to do over the weekend not I'm looking forward to it.
will that shaft be all right with a jubilee clip on, will it not affect the balance of it. also is that the only way to change that side boot, would a cv cone not be upto the job
it is horrible stuff, got two to do over the weekend not I'm looking forward to it.
will that shaft be all right with a jubilee clip on, will it not affect the balance of it. also is that the only way to change that side boot, would a cv cone not be upto the job
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Done about 100 miles since fitting and it drives spot on, its not come off yet either lol!
Done about 100 miles since fitting and it drives spot on, its not come off yet either lol!
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Cheers for the comment!
After driving the car with the shafts changed, a knocking had started from the N/S front. It was more of a hollow knocking noise rather than a clunk - but I thought yeah its possibly a ball joint.
Checked EVERYTHING - Ball Joint and the Pinch Bolt, Hub Nut, Track Rod End, Hub Nuts, Wishbone Bolts, Anti Roll Bar, Subframe Mounts. Also, when jacked up there is no play in the wheel no matter how hard you pull it, all feels perfect just like the O/S.
The only play I can find is the driveshaft (in and out), and the noise sounds VERY similar as the one when driving. Wierd thing is too, its only when going in a straight line - over humps and bumps in the road. Dont get it on corners...
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The noise sounds very similar to the driveshaft when pulling it by hand - but I thought movement in the driveshaft was normal? There is physically nothing else it could be, everythings tight and there is no play anywhere when jacked up!
Anyone have any ideas?
Cheers for the comment!
After driving the car with the shafts changed, a knocking had started from the N/S front. It was more of a hollow knocking noise rather than a clunk - but I thought yeah its possibly a ball joint.
Checked EVERYTHING - Ball Joint and the Pinch Bolt, Hub Nut, Track Rod End, Hub Nuts, Wishbone Bolts, Anti Roll Bar, Subframe Mounts. Also, when jacked up there is no play in the wheel no matter how hard you pull it, all feels perfect just like the O/S.
The only play I can find is the driveshaft (in and out), and the noise sounds VERY similar as the one when driving. Wierd thing is too, its only when going in a straight line - over humps and bumps in the road. Dont get it on corners...
[youtube]FxKFrJ3yk_k[/youtube]
The noise sounds very similar to the driveshaft when pulling it by hand - but I thought movement in the driveshaft was normal? There is physically nothing else it could be, everythings tight and there is no play anywhere when jacked up!
Anyone have any ideas?
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Yeah, no movement anywhere apart from the driveshaft if sat still and just jacked up!
Yeah, I thought there should be a bit, but usually no noise like its making (clunk clunk when going in and out)...
Its getting worse when driving - certainly does sound like a balljoint is loose or something - but I know everythings tight and I even swapped the balljoint itself. Has to be the driveshaft I think
Yeah, no movement anywhere apart from the driveshaft if sat still and just jacked up!
Yeah, I thought there should be a bit, but usually no noise like its making (clunk clunk when going in and out)...
Its getting worse when driving - certainly does sound like a balljoint is loose or something - but I know everythings tight and I even swapped the balljoint itself. Has to be the driveshaft I think
M
mini-valver
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Does it click when you have full lock on? Go to a car park and do a full lock circle either way and see of you can hear a click. You should have driveshaft plunge or the shaft would bottom out when the suspension goes into bump but it definately shouldnt be making ANY kind of clunk, lol.
Does it click when you have full lock on? Go to a car park and do a full lock circle either way and see of you can hear a click. You should have driveshaft plunge or the shaft would bottom out when the suspension goes into bump but it definately shouldnt be making ANY kind of clunk, lol.
M
mini-valver
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
Yeah, outer CV! Inner CV is a tri-lobe so will move in and out of the box as its supposed too, a clunk like you have is pretty much definately going to be either outer CV fucked or your hub nut isn't tight enough!
Yeah, outer CV! Inner CV is a tri-lobe so will move in and out of the box as its supposed too, a clunk like you have is pretty much definately going to be either outer CV fucked or your hub nut isn't tight enough!
M
mini-valver
Re: Mk1 F4R'd Track Car Project [2010 Winter Rebuild]
280? Lol, is that what Renault say?? Sounds f**king high!
Yeah, full lock in circles slowly. If you cant hear anything from that, put a tiny bit of lock on, rest your foot on the brake and put it under load in 1st.
280? Lol, is that what Renault say?? Sounds f**king high!
Yeah, full lock in circles slowly. If you cant hear anything from that, put a tiny bit of lock on, rest your foot on the brake and put it under load in 1st.
Re: Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project
Yeah, found the value on here!
TBF I usually just do them tight tight and never had a problem, then found the value on here and it was just like 1/10th of a turn more if that until the torque wrench clicked...just so I knew it was tight and not that causing the problem!
When you pull/push the shaft its only the actual shaft itself that moves, like in and out of the outer CV - accompanied by a clicking/clunking..
Il try some full lock action and see what happens
Yeah, found the value on here!
TBF I usually just do them tight tight and never had a problem, then found the value on here and it was just like 1/10th of a turn more if that until the torque wrench clicked...just so I knew it was tight and not that causing the problem!
When you pull/push the shaft its only the actual shaft itself that moves, like in and out of the outer CV - accompanied by a clicking/clunking..
Il try some full lock action and see what happens
M
mini-valver
Re: Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project
If its moving in and out of the Outer CV, that's going to be your problem, lol.
If its moving in and out of the Outer CV, that's going to be your problem, lol.
M
mini-valver
Re: Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project
Movement should be gearbox end with a tri-lobe joint! Outer CV just needs to articulate to accomodate for turning and bump/rebound changes in the geometry.
Movement should be gearbox end with a tri-lobe joint! Outer CV just needs to articulate to accomodate for turning and bump/rebound changes in the geometry.
maynard
ClioSport Club Member
ph2 172 track car
Re: Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project
For the amount of work you put into this car, you don't seem to have much luck do you?!
Cheers!
Well the knockings got worse
For the amount of work you put into this car, you don't seem to have much luck do you?!
maynard
ClioSport Club Member
ph2 172 track car
Re: Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project
haha, it must be draining to have setback after setback though!
LOL! Understatement of the century TBH
haha, it must be draining to have setback after setback though!
Re: Mk1 F4R/172'd Track Car Project
like mini was saying Jord, it sounds like your outer CV. Mine went on the saco and it did exactly that.... got worse and worse.
when you apply throttle and there is load put onto the joint it knocks.... the more you put on it the more it knocks its tits off. Let off throttle and its fine.
you should just be able to replace the CV. mine was whole new fuckin shaft!
like mini was saying Jord, it sounds like your outer CV. Mine went on the saco and it did exactly that.... got worse and worse.
when you apply throttle and there is load put onto the joint it knocks.... the more you put on it the more it knocks its tits off. Let off throttle and its fine.
you should just be able to replace the CV. mine was whole new fuckin shaft!
