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My valver/172 project



  Lionel Richie
to make money??

i've been doing a car all week that was built by "a top tuning company" and the timing was WAY WAY out

only takes a wee tad and it'll be off, i've fucked one up before, was only a tiny bit out, was dog slow
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
:dapprove:

looks like I need to invest in that pulley locking tool at some point - can you get them individually?

the car atleast runs for now, adjusting the timing isn't hard at all, there's a fair amount of room in the bay, so it's something I can quite easily come back to on an afternoon. Shouldn't do any harm if the timing is slightly off because of this?
 
  ITB'd MK1
^thats not what's on autodata danny, and my chap at r-sport says its 30nm +90degrees

crank is 20nm + 135degrees

yeah I know, seen 3 different torque settings in different places, think those numbers came from dialogies rather than autodata in the end, either way the torques are different for the 2 pullies, the bolt on the de-phaser is just torqued not angle tightened. Think we worked out that Autodata doesn't acknowledge the fact the pulley is different, we did a whole load of cross referencing.
 
  ITB'd MK1
U can only buy it from Renault. Cant remember how much mine was

Not convinced by that as i spent half a day sourcing a K4M locking tool and all that was listed was F4R from several specialist suppliers, you can definitely get them non renault. Havn't tried any of these though I might add.
 
The inlet cam is indeed 100nm and the ex 30nm + 86 deg +/- a 16 deg deviation allowance.

Angle tightening is used as its generates a more reliable clamping force than most peoples cheap torque wrenches and ill prepped bolts.

You need to use the pulley locking tool to tighten, otherwise your relying on the cam timing tool to apply opposing force, and it is not rigid enough to do so.

1mm out on the cam timing slots is a HUGE amount out.
 
  172 Race Car
U can only buy it from Renault. Cant remember how much mine was

Not convinced by that as i spent half a day sourcing a K4M locking tool and all that was listed was F4R from several specialist suppliers, you can definitely get them non renault. Havn't tried any of these though I might add.



I COULD only buy it from Renault. When I was looking. Cant remember how much mine was


That better? ;)
 
  340i
Makes me more worried about my cam timing now LOL...

Only the cam timing tool was used on my belt change, that was 8months ago. But all "feels" fine?

Is their any easy way of checking if the cam timing is incorrect?
 
  BMW M135i
Makes me more worried about my cam timing now LOL...

Only the cam timing tool was used on my belt change, that was 8months ago. But all "feels" fine?

Is their any easy way of checking if the cam timing is incorrect?

No need to slacken the pulleys off the change the belt though. Unless they have been for some reason?
 
  172
Gotta slacken all the pulleys off when changing the belt, rotate the whole assembly to even the tension on the belt.

:nono:
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
Well if you can buy the pulley locking tool, I think I will, just to be sure!

I previously did my pulleys up 30Nm + 90deg. This morning I tried 100Nm and it was only a few degrees different, so I'd say both methods are acceptable?

been on a little road test this morning... all seems well! :D

I've not pushed the engine at all though, as I'm running the rings in - but nothing sounded unusual. Oil pressure was good and there's no smoke out the back. fair amount coming off my exhaust manifold from where I spilt some oil :oops:
 
front pulley tool is diff yea.

Matteh, angle torque and frictional torque methods are completely different, you cant compare the two....but essentially renault with with FT for the cam pulleys lol. Now paste that engine and bed those rings properly!
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
road test complete!

500 mile round trip to Wales completed relatively successfully

only issue i have is that at low speeds (well, throttle position) its running badly, I think it has a stuck injector though as I've had this before. It's also fine if you accelerate harder. Will check tomorrow! mechanically it seems fine!
 
M

mini-valver

Get some load on the rings dude, give it some stick when you've timed it properly....

Well chuffed for you :D
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
bump from the depths!

I've moved and acquired myself a garage... so now I'm not doing everything in the elements! :D

new theatre of operations :evil::

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still got the trusty valver too! :D

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I've almost got LMG running 100% now, it just seems to overfuel tons on idle

I've recently fitted an F4R fuel rail and FPR... I'm also using F4R injectors, so fueling shouldnt be an issue :?

I've got a new map sensor (2nd hand)

I'm still confident the timing is fine as its smooth on anything above idle. I have good oil pressure and a new dephaser pulley too :(

anyways, some vids!

in all these videos, the rev counter reads half, due to only having 1 coil wired up to the clocks

cold idle, I have to keep prodding the throttle slightly otherwise it stalls (flooding?)
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idling once warmed up a bit
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if I bury the throttle from idle it stutters a lot, kicks out some shite and then revs up
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all points to poor fueling?

lambda was from a lower clio, but they're all the same...right? I'm also only running the precat lambda

I'm sure my CTS is working fine too as I tested it a while back with a multimeter and some hot water :D


So close to it being finished now... it's killing me!! :(
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
cheers bmh.01, thought as much!

ditz, too high?

running a brand new reg and rail and using some new silicone tubing for the vacuum hose (not collapsing etc..)

what else is there to change? I'm sure the ph1 valver pump is only about 1bar? but they can run williams lumps fine...
 
  Some of a Clio 1.8 16v
Mine ran fine all the time I had the phase 1 tank in it so the fuel pump is up to the job if it's working right.
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
reasonably sure, yeh

last time I locked the crank at TDC and the cam locking tool slotted straight in
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
too low...! I like those thoughts... at least gives me an idea of what might need replacing!
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
just redone the timing and no difference :dapprove:

anyone fancy lending me the pulley locking tool so I can try with that? :D
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
plugged in a fuel pressure guage and the built in FPR is doing it's job correctly...

shame it still runs like crap :(

think I have 2 options now, remove the engine loom and double check every connection and to redo the timing but using the pulley locking tool
 
  '92 172, Lotus Elise
woop! all done and MOT'd until 2010! :D

Car seems to be running fine, but I'll let sidewaysdanny comment on that!

also good seeing Beanie again lol :D
 


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