Seems to me like a brilliant idea that's been let down by strange regs...
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182cup & 172 racecar
You say it's its been designed around driver development, but then you have an instructor interested in taking part ? Does this not go against what you are trying to achieve.
Put the dates up, and I'll try and come along for a chat.
Put the dates up, and I'll try and come along for a chat.
Basically the clio 182 is the best one if all clios are allowed to enter, people will just change hubs and shafts manifold and use the larger port head then we have different engine combinations with different power gains ! How is that fair when others don't have the money to spend to compete !
Using one clio ie the cb22 make sure we all use the same engine combination and run the same power hence a level playing field.
Price wise clio 182 are available if you spend the time looking for as little as £900.
the ecu is no way an over kill it allows the club to stop cheats with use of data logging and we can swap ecu,s from car to car.
Huge gains can be made from mapping as you can map all the engine mods to it I.e lower compression changes and valve timing and air flow modifications thus giving a increased power. The k tec ecu stops all that
ps immobiliser can't be removed due to the can bus link inside the ecu trust me I've spent 9 months last year trying to get around it. Early 172's can have immobiliser removed for around £60 but not the later ones !
Using one clio ie the cb22 make sure we all use the same engine combination and run the same power hence a level playing field.
Price wise clio 182 are available if you spend the time looking for as little as £900.
the ecu is no way an over kill it allows the club to stop cheats with use of data logging and we can swap ecu,s from car to car.
Huge gains can be made from mapping as you can map all the engine mods to it I.e lower compression changes and valve timing and air flow modifications thus giving a increased power. The k tec ecu stops all that
ps immobiliser can't be removed due to the can bus link inside the ecu trust me I've spent 9 months last year trying to get around it. Early 172's can have immobiliser removed for around £60 but not the later ones !
You can't stop people entering tho if you compare lap times from silverstone we had complete novices lapping at 1.02 of a second slower, that's how close the cars are.
next race is at donnington park on the 21st and 22nd of September more than happy to run through any questions you have.
182cup & 172 racecar
Dates??
Quick question, if I do a few races in 750 then decide I want to go onto a more freely regulated series such as Tin Tops can the ECU be unlocked to allow ITBs, Cams ect and mapping or will I have to buy another one from K-tec?
Also dates, I want to pop along
Just seen date of the race Ill email closer the time
Also dates, I want to pop along
Just seen date of the race Ill email closer the time
The regs are spot on when they are explained in full then you start to understand the reason to why the club have put them in.
pop down to a meeting and we can explain in full the reasons behind them.
Quick question, if I do a few races in 750 then decide I want to go onto a more freely regulated series such as Tin Tops can the ECU be unlocked to allow ITBs, Cams ect and mapping or will I have to buy another one from K-tec?
Also dates, I want to pop along
Just seen date of the race Ill email closer the time
yes the ecu can be unlocked to allow power up grades like turbo up grade throttle bodies cams etc etc it's a very advanced ecu
Donnington park 21st and 22nd September
cadwell park 12th and 13th October
It looks a pretty good series to me. The ktec coilovers and ecu are only a small expense in the scheme of things when it comes to racing. Single day events work best for me at the moment or I might consider swapping my safety gear from my 172 cup race car to my 182 FF road car.
I look forward to seeing how you get on.
I look forward to seeing how you get on.
Without starting a row as i'm not out for that, the 172 cup is way better than the 182 CB22 mainly due to the lack of ABS
what's to stop me bolting a large port head onto a 172/182 bottom end? Without pulling the exhaust manifold off no one will ever know! (using the 182 rocker cover
)you can't check engine numbers because theyre unreadable due to rust
and you can remove the immobiliser, i've done it on a FBW car, little box of tricks, £60 done!
Sounds good, I can see this appealing to ppl who currently do not have a Clio or already own a 182.
Its not a dig, but I personally I don't See the point when there already is the French Trophy for us that already have track/modded Clios
However If I was to join the 750MC I would do the BMW compact series, bullet proof car and great out the box
I tracked a RS4 for 3 years, then decided to go balls out with a race car, my weapon of choice was the 172 cup due to the way its set up, wider track, no ABS, lighter and cheaper. Might seem a backward step going for a car a 3rd less of the power, but the Cup is such a great handling ca,r it balances out, great out of the box as they say, even before you start to mod (but we all know this anyway).
Just seems expensive and very limited to what you can/cant do. A grid full of the same car sounds great but would have been better to have kept it to the MK2 series of Clios.
Its not a dig, but I personally I don't See the point when there already is the French Trophy for us that already have track/modded Clios
However If I was to join the 750MC I would do the BMW compact series, bullet proof car and great out the box
I tracked a RS4 for 3 years, then decided to go balls out with a race car, my weapon of choice was the 172 cup due to the way its set up, wider track, no ABS, lighter and cheaper. Might seem a backward step going for a car a 3rd less of the power, but the Cup is such a great handling ca,r it balances out, great out of the box as they say, even before you start to mod (but we all know this anyway).
Just seems expensive and very limited to what you can/cant do. A grid full of the same car sounds great but would have been better to have kept it to the MK2 series of Clios.
Someone really has been sucked into the propaganda!
The 182 has the smallest exhaust ports.
Big gains really aren't to be had by remapping.
Valve timing can still be altered without touching the ecu.
As for the same power/playing field. If you speak to anyone who's not out to sell you a product, you'll be told that the 172/182's vary in power massively. I.e 160-185.
The immobiliser can easily be removed if you know what to do.
What's the benefit from removing the immobiliser?
Stops defective keys halting a race start?
Yes correct there isn't massive power gains to be made from remapping a standard engine, but when adjusting timing and compression you then can remap to gain the extra power( you would loose power if adjusted with k tec ecu ) ! Poss about 5 + bhp this may not seem a lot but it is when racing !
If you think the immobiliser can be removed then please supply details as no one I've spoken to on a 182 ecu can remove it !
Without starting a row as i'm not out for that, the 172 cup is way better than the 182 CB22 mainly due to the lack of ABS
what's to stop me bolting a large port head onto a 172/182 bottom end? Without pulling the exhaust manifold off no one will ever know! (using the 182 rocker cover
you can't check engine numbers because theyre unreadable due to rust
and you can remove the immobiliser, i've done it on a FBW car, little box of tricks, £60 done!
You could yes and put on big valve head but when it's sealed and rechecked at later date you would have you points taken away !
Plus the club strip engines at random times so you wouldn't get away with it
Genuinely interested, who pays for the new cambelt kit thats required once the old ones being untensioned to remove and check the internals?
This, like f**k id be paying ~£500 (If a specialist was to do it)a time because someone decided one day they wanted to check my engine out
I think it works like this, you pay say a £300 bounty, they strip your engine, find nothing wrong you get your engine back as you gave it (hopefully lol) and also your money back. They foot the bill or the person you beat who complained about you going faster pays.
You pay if they find anything wrong - that shouldn't be there, plus a slap on the wrist.
Or some such similar way.
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But who builds it back up? And times it up?
182cup & 172 racecar
Oh no.
Lol, makes it look even more of a laughable series tbh.
Track Attack Race Club, French series for me. Let hope that a few of the new drivers in their series see the light and join also. Far more reasonable and cheaper entry into Motorsport.
Track Attack Race Club, French series for me. Let hope that a few of the new drivers in their series see the light and join also. Far more reasonable and cheaper entry into Motorsport.
£300 for two 15 minute races and a 15-20 minute qualifying session.
182cup & 172 racecar
What would expect, £100 ?
Fiesta ST2 MP215
Oh right I miss read that, though it was one last time I checked them out, my bad.
WRX
Not worth bickering about, both series have things going for them. Just think the 750 one has had some blind/biased input along the way of setting it up. I can see and agree with the principle but it's a shame that principle is an expensive initial outlay. To meet those regs is almost the cost of converting the whole car for the Production Class of French Trophy. Essentially it's about £3000 cheaper to get on the grid for ours.
I left some bits out for ease - but whoever did the work would do fully and either the car owner pays if found at fault or the protester (either club or individual) pays if no fault found.
Not saying at all this is how the 750 club works, just this is how I've been told some series work when I was investigating which series to run in etc.
Not saying at all this is how the 750 club works, just this is how I've been told some series work when I was investigating which series to run in etc.
As per all championships the driver is responsible unfortunatly, hopefully this wouldn't happen to often due to the high spec ecu we run !
LY FF182
Just another reason not to enter the 750mc series. I wouldn't pay £600 for a cambelt multiple times a year just because maybe I drive better than someone else and get more traction out of a corner.. Then they think I have more power
WRX
Is there some kind of hidden joke in this sentence?
Surely it would make more sense for the person or persons, that think the car/engine has been modified beyond the rules. should pay a bond to cover the costs of the strip down!
