RR results b4 R-sport ECU

[monkeymagic]

OK, got it on the rolling road this morning. They only had an analogue scale so Ive only got max BHP and torque at the wheels:

ambient temp. 22 degC
146 BHP at 6000rpm
166.8 lbft torque

For completeness they calculated the flywheel figures as well:

167.9 BHP
191.92 lbft torque

After searching through old posts these seem like decent figures so Im happy.

Im fitting the ECU tomorrow so Ill take it for a thrash afterwards and report back.

Cheers,

G

 

[Griff]

BHP sounds about spot on but that torque figure of 191 is well over the top mate.

 

[m@thew]

I think your torque figures should be in NM as standard is 200NM

 

[geoff_clio182]

Yeah sounds like Nm to me!

 

[monkeymagic]

agree - I cant read the blokes writing!

 

[Neil82]

So converting the 192 nm to lb ft you have 147 lb ft

 

[viceroy]

And also remember that the supposed 172bhp claimed by renault is measured in ps. Convert ps to bhp and 172 magically becomes 166...which is spot on.

 

[Neil82]

But what mileage is on the Cup? I am sure on a different rolling road he may well have made 172 hp. 172ps into HP is 170.

 

[Tom]

is it???

the 172 figure is officially PS not bhp

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio16v on 30 August 2003


the 172 figure is officially PS not bhp

It is 172bhp DIN folks, check the brochures & website

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by monkeymagic on 30 August 2003

146 BHP at 6000rpm
166.8 lbft torque

For completeness they calculated the flywheel figures as well:

167.9 BHP
191.92 lbft torque

So theyve used a 13% loss figure in this case.

Where did they get that from???

 

[Paul_P1]

Yeah I thought that was a we bit too low as well. Typically its aroung 15-20%!

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Paul_CTR on 30 August 2003

Yeah I thought that was a we bit too low as well. Typically its aroung 15-20%!

Well its "generally" around the 15% mark for a modern fwd car...

 

[monkeymagic]

The cars done 12700 miles.

See http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/mainmenu.htmPuma Racing to find out why Im not too interested in the flywheel numbers. Interestingly they mention that to get the flywheel figure for FWD cars add 10 to the BHP at wheels figure then divide by 0.9 = 173BHP

 

[pete_pete]

all the mags say its 170BHP

 

[JJ172]

Had mine on BB Tunings RR as std and it produced 172 bhp and 149 lb ft torque...

 

[orlandopaulo]

ok dyno it after the chip.. and put here the numbers

 

[Tom]

http://www.press.renault.co.uk/releases/Cars/Clio/New_Clio_2003_range_from_15_Oct_02.htmhttp://www.press.renault.co.uk/releases/Cars/Clio/New_Clio_2003_range_from_15_Oct_02.htm

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio16v on 01 September 2003

http://www.press.renault.co.uk/releases/Cars/Clio/New_Clio_2003_range_from_15_Oct_02.htmhttp://www.press.renault.co.uk/releases/Cars/Clio/New_Clio_2003_range_from_15_Oct_02.htm

There you go...

Its bhp DIN just as I said!

 

[Tom]

very strange.

sometimes its ps sometimes its bhp DIN

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio16v on 01 September 2003


sometimes its ps sometimes its bhp DIN

Its the same thats why...

 

[Tom]

whoops

 

[Neil82]

Tom why do you keep going on about the 172 having 166 hp bla bla bla and keep talking about the new "180" coming out?



At the end of the day there is such a variation in the 2.0 16 valve 172 engine that I wouldnt believe they all have 180, I gaurantee you that it wont be any faster than a good 172 some maybe slower.

 

[Rich-D]

172ps (or bhp/DIN) = 169.7bhp UK

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 01 September 2003


Tom why do you keep going on about the 172 having 166 hp bla bla bla and keep talking about the new "180" coming out?



Eh? when?

 

[Neil82]

Just seem to be going on about it a lot, might not be you but ill go have a look.

 

[Tom]

Ok best to check first surely?

 

[RSTDL]

Toms clever though! Vote or loose your right to freedom of speech! Oh and there aint ever gonna be a 180 thats like too bvious and pointless. Thats like saying when Peugeot held the crown with the GTi-with 167 BHP, Renault should have released the RenaultSport 167.........! How obvious, Nah, the RSport clio is ending when the new model is released in new year - the Cup holds the crown now, and Peugeot blew it with the 180. If there is a final Renault sport clio which I doubt very much there will be it (as its been a year since the cup was released and no ones scooped anything) will be a 200BHP conversion package from Renault and the chances of that appening are as likely as a finding the lost city of atlantis!! 2.0 Turbo next peeps............!

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by RSTDL on 01 September 2003



Toms clever though! Vote or loose your right to freedom of speech! Oh and there aint ever gonna be a 180 thats like too bvious and pointless. Thats like saying when Peugeot held the crown with the GTi-with 167 BHP, Renault should have released the RenaultSport 167.........! How obvious, Nah, the RSport clio is ending when the new model is released in new year - the Cup holds the crown now, and Peugeot blew it with the 180. If there is a final Renault sport clio which I doubt very much there will be it (as its been a year since the cup was released and no ones scooped anything) will be a 200BHP conversion package from Renault and the chances of that appening are as likely as a finding the lost city of atlantis!! 2.0 Turbo next peeps............!




i take it thats based on speculation rather than actual fact, well as i seemingly know sod all lets wait and see whos right eh?

And the "new model" for the very very last time wont be here until at least 2005/6. renault have even said this in a recent press release about the cup racers.

Do your homework mate, that way you can post credible usefull information.

http://www.press.renault.co.uk/releases/arc_2003/220803ren.htmhttp://www.press.renault.co.uk/releases/arc_2003/220803ren.htm

- Love ya man.

 

[paddymph]

heheheeee

 

[RSTDL]

Did I hear "anorak" anyone? That must have been the 5.57 from Tumbridge wells, I knew it was coz of the pitch its horn makes as it leaves the black friars tunnel............"

Erm.......nice article but where does it say that Renault wont release a new shape clio before that anyhow??????? Just because they are keeping the current cup racer which is just new by the way on until at least 2006 does not mean there wont be a road car replacement for the general public and all the shopping trolley wannabess!

And maybe you should let EVO, Auto Car and Auto Express oh and Car Mag into this little secret as they are currently stating new Clio early to mid 2004.

Cheers for now!

 

[RSTDL]

teheeheee........never believe everything you read (CUP UPGRADES - RENAULT SPORT ANYONE.........?) Youre head might implode............or maybe explode? Oh and what are the chances of their being a one make super touring clio cup championship still in 2006???? Slim.........try one make Megane Turbo series?

Now, wheres the nearest bookies?

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by RSTDL on 01 September 2003


And maybe you should let EVO, Auto Car and Auto Express oh and Car Mag into this little secret as they are currently stating new Clio early to mid 2004.

Do you actually know what Tom does for a living?!

 

[RSTDL]

Im the Editor of Evo - Rich Meaden! No why?

 

[RSTDL]

Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 01 September 2003

Quote: Originally posted by RSTDL on 01 September 2003


And maybe you should let EVO, Auto Car and Auto Express oh and Car Mag into this little secret as they are currently stating new Clio early to mid 2004.

Do you actually know what Tom does for a living?!

Id guess a computer desk job from his intimate knowledge of this site 24 hours a day! Or else head oif RenaultSport UK who drives a 1200 (1149)?

 

[Tom]

Your too funny, you mention the bookies- dont waste it there i will take your cash mate.

Lets just see how this pans out.

I dont think your incedible whit will get you out of this one, and i for one cannot wait to see you proved wrong.

I await another lame ass reply

 

[vibrio]

Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 30 August 2003

So converting the 192 nm to lb ft you have 147 lb ft

141.6 lb ft

 

[vibrio]

Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 01 September 2003

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio16v on 01 September 2003


sometimes its ps sometimes its bhp DIN

Its the same thats why...

BHP DIN is BHP worked out to standard air pressure and air temp it is not the same as PS

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by vibrio on 02 September 2003


BHP DIN is BHP worked out to standard air pressure and air temp it is not the same as PS

But BHP (DIN), PS & JIS figures all equate to the same value and that is 98.629% of the BHP (SAE) value that we are all calling BHP here...