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RT and Valver comparison.





Hey all

At the moment im really thinking about a valver for my next car instead of a 106gti (mainly due to lower insurance quotes and about 2k cheaper for the car).

Anyway, im trying to find the main differences between a phase 1 rt and a phase 2 valver (96 plate im after).

This is what ive got so far:

Wider front arches, Bigger engine :)devilish:), PAS?, ABS (optional?), and some have a half-leather interior.

Is there much difference in suspenson set-up? I know the brakes are bigger, but are they any good as standard?? Also, how to these handle im comparions to something like a 106gti.

TIA

Dazz
 


You also get electric wing mirrors and electric sunroof and alloys if you go for phase 2 valver. Yer u also get PAS and of course the front bonnet!

The handling is very good , not sure if its as good as the 106 but still very good on bends. I would get it over the 106gti just cos it looks nicer and meatier.
 


mines for sale!!!!!

i had a rt before mine and its a totally different ball game, i always remember when i had to go and pick my car up from work where id left it after driving the valver for a week or so... it felt slow, high, and very wallowy on the corners.

wider rear archs, lower standard ride height, all the gauges, twice the power, good brakes as standard... still looks meaty compared with the standard cars... not alot in it really against the 106 but if your a munchkin the 106 will seem ok, otherwise its a tw*t to drive and the build quality is 10times worse than renault could ever manage, the 106 is quite fragile compared to the 16v aswell but easier to work on when it does let you down.
 


The Valver has a wider track, al round disks and extra oil dials

PAS is also on the RT as well as eletric windows and remote central locking
 


nice one, thanks every1!

Really cant wait for a few more months to pass :D

Are they all factory fitted immobolisers? any alarms? and what about airbag?

Thanks
 


Quote: Originally posted by Dazz on 01 March 2004

essex_lad, the valver has all round disc brakes? bluddy ell they must be good????


Yep they do, Rear disks dont make a lot of difference! the front discs are the main braking point so on an RT u would jus go buy some Drilled & Grooved discs and they will be better than the valver ones
 


am i right in thinking that valvers have heated mirrors?? just that i noticed mine steaming the other morning, felt the mirror and it was warm (no it wasnt sun on it because the car was in the shade)
 


The rear arches are wider aswell, the front and rear track is wider, a lot faster, DOHC 16 valves, some had FULL leather not half, comes with an alarm and immobiliser all factory standard, front and rear vented discs !!

This isnt just n RT with a bigger engine there are a lot of other things that havnt been mentioned which make it better, if you can afford the insurance get a valver an RT is no comparison !!
 


Quote: Originally posted by RTvalver on 02 March 2004

yep they do but then again if you have electric mirrors, you have heated mirrors.
Mine arent heated but are electric. I think heated mirrors must have come in on phase 2 models.
 


Quote: Originally posted by mark_eas on 02 March 2004

what cat are the alarms on valvers
it depends on the year, mines an M (1994) but it wernt any category as thatcham mailto:wern@t"> wern t really heard of, i just got a cat1 put on for peace of mind & insurance.

the later 16vs may be have an approved alarm on them.
 
  Focus ST


Quote: Originally posted by Paul Clio 16v on 02 March 2004


Quote: Originally posted by RTvalver on 02 March 2004

yep they do but then again if you have electric mirrors, you have heated mirrors.
Mine arent heated but are electric. I think heated mirrors must have come in on phase 2 models.
Your heater elements may have gone. I have a phase 1 and the mirrors are heated, although the drivers side one doesnt work - not sure how to fix it!
 


they only come on with the heated rear screen, i dunno about a phase 1 whether or not they have them !
 


I think most people on here seem to agree that standard for standard the 106 handles better but bear in mind that a comparision will involve at least a 10 year gap so on a decent valver, the difference might not be as big as everyone claims. On the average, the 106 will be a comparable but safer buy - mainly because its newer etc. However, i would have a valver over one any time as they look a bit more unique, have cheaper insurance and will obviously be cheaper to buy in the first place.

Modifications wise, there is probably more you can do to the clio (and for cheaper).....
 


Wrong, you would have to change the calipers and the master cylinder to get anywhere near the 16v brakes. Drilled and grooved disks only give better heat disipation and seeing as
their wont be much fade from an rt anyway they are pointless
16v brake conversion or 4 pot calipers etc would be the best setup.

Quote: Originally posted by Essex_Lad on 01 March 2004





Yep they do, Rear disks dont make a lot of difference! the front discs are the main braking point so on an RT u would jus go buy some Drilled & Grooved discs and they will be better than the valver ones
 


After hearing loads of good stuff about the 106 GTi, I was looking at them after Id sold my mint Valver. I was not impressed - yes, they gripped well, but were much less solid hanlers than the Valver was and although they were a match off the mark, through the gears they felt off Valver pace.

The main thing that put me off was the cabin, seats and build quality. My old Valver was costing me loads, but it was far better put together, roomier and more comfortable than the Pug 106 GTis I tried. I really wanted to like the GTi, but ended up disappointed and started hunting for a mint Willy instead.

With all due respect to the hot Mk2 cars, the Clio 16V had a lot less in common with the standard car than the Mk2 Renaultsport Clios do. The shell is the same, but pretty much everything else is different (even the dash plastics are softer and squishier than on the RT etc). In addition to what has been said above, the 16V also gets four torsion bars rather than two and a really uprated rear axle/suspension set-up.

Again, with all due respect to the Mk2s, the 16V was made at a time when hot hatches were much less of a money-spinner for car manufacturers and were relatively more expensive than the 172/182 are. It was certainly no liimited edition car or fore-runner to the V6, but the extra engineering that went into them was probably not recovered in the selling price. You certainly didnt see 16Vs being bought by the batch and sold at car supermarkets and the like.
 


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